April 8, 2015 at 7:12 am
xsevensinzx (4/8/2015)
Grant Fritchey (4/8/2015)
Jack Corbett (4/8/2015)
Brandie Tarvin (4/7/2015)
Eirikur Eiriksson (4/7/2015)
Jeff Moden (4/7/2015)
I'd put off doing anything with SQL Server 2012 until I actually needed it. I'm doing installs for upgrades now and really beginning to work with the system especially in SSMS. Between that and the bloody metro garbage, I've never seen more screwed up code in my life even including 2005 RTM. What a piece of junk. What were they thinking? Considering I installed 2012 SP2 CU4 SSMS, I'll also ask what ARE they thinking. Maybe a better question would be, ARE they thinking?Yeah... I recently found out that CU5 came out on March 16th because of retro code that made it in. Does that actually fix all the garbage going on in CU4 other than the HA stuff they messed up on?
Congratulations, you've just opened a tin of worms. Quick hint, skip 2012 and go for 2014, much better! Of course In few months 2015 is going to be much better...
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Except some of us don't have the choice. My corporate office isn't approving 2014 for release yet. Next up is 2012.
Jeff, how bad is it? I'm going to be installing in the next month or two.
I haven't experienced anything everly negative with SSMS in 2012, haven't done 2014 yet. The only issues I've had are that it doesn't always remember where I put my toolbars and sometimes when I shut down it reports a crash, but I actually think that is related to the RedGate tools.
I'm with Jack on this. Worst problems I've had with SSMS have been the occasional glitch from Redgate tools. And you know how much I LOVE my Redgate tools. By and large SSMS hasn't been any worse than previous versions that I've noticed. And 2014, the server, is WAY better than 2012.
Well, now that you mention it, I have glitches with Prompt more times than just occasionally. I've had it hang when I assume it's doing reference lookups when coding. I've also had it hang when reloading tabs. But luckily, crashing only results in a minor delay and Redgate does restore the previous tabs even in the face of a minor crash in SSMS. So, it's all good.
If you could, to help us and to help others, make sure you report when this happens. I've only run into two or three problems in well over a year with 2014, but if you're hitting them regularly, we'd love to know about it.
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April 8, 2015 at 7:14 am
Grant Fritchey (4/8/2015)
Probably get in a little trouble for this, but since I know that many of you are both SF fans and, let's just say, not on the same wavelength as I am politically (socially I think we're all largely aligned), "your side" is seriously crossing the line[/url]. Might want to reign them in a bit.
For non-US folks, which side are you referring to?
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April 8, 2015 at 7:23 am
Koen Verbeeck (4/8/2015)
Grant Fritchey (4/8/2015)
Probably get in a little trouble for this, but since I know that many of you are both SF fans and, let's just say, not on the same wavelength as I am politically (socially I think we're all largely aligned), "your side" is seriously crossing the line[/url]. Might want to reign them in a bit.For non-US folks, which side are you referring to?
It's actually hard to quantify, but the reductionist answer would be, Left vs. Right on the political spectrum.
"The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood"
- Theodore Roosevelt
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SQL Server Query Performance Tuning
April 8, 2015 at 7:28 am
Grant Fritchey (4/8/2015)
Koen Verbeeck (4/8/2015)
Grant Fritchey (4/8/2015)
Probably get in a little trouble for this, but since I know that many of you are both SF fans and, let's just say, not on the same wavelength as I am politically (socially I think we're all largely aligned), "your side" is seriously crossing the line[/url]. Might want to reign them in a bit.For non-US folks, which side are you referring to?
It's actually hard to quantify, but the reductionist answer would be, Left vs. Right on the political spectrum.
Can we rather say that the extremists on both sides are being idiots again, should both be ignored and leave the politics out of here, please?
Gail Shaw
Microsoft Certified Master: SQL Server, MVP, M.Sc (Comp Sci)
SQL In The Wild: Discussions on DB performance with occasional diversions into recoverability
April 8, 2015 at 7:29 am
Koen Verbeeck (4/8/2015)
Grant Fritchey (4/8/2015)
Probably get in a little trouble for this, but since I know that many of you are both SF fans and, let's just say, not on the same wavelength as I am politically (socially I think we're all largely aligned), "your side" is seriously crossing the line[/url]. Might want to reign them in a bit.For non-US folks, which side are you referring to?
And which side is crossing the line?
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April 8, 2015 at 7:49 am
Koen Verbeeck (4/8/2015)
Koen Verbeeck (4/8/2015)
Grant Fritchey (4/8/2015)
Probably get in a little trouble for this, but since I know that many of you are both SF fans and, let's just say, not on the same wavelength as I am politically (socially I think we're all largely aligned), "your side" is seriously crossing the line[/url]. Might want to reign them in a bit.For non-US folks, which side are you referring to?
And which side is crossing the line?
And I'm done. Read the article.
"The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood"
- Theodore Roosevelt
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SQL Server Execution Plans
SQL Server Query Performance Tuning
April 8, 2015 at 8:15 am
Grant Fritchey (4/8/2015)
Koen Verbeeck (4/8/2015)
Koen Verbeeck (4/8/2015)
Grant Fritchey (4/8/2015)
Probably get in a little trouble for this, but since I know that many of you are both SF fans and, let's just say, not on the same wavelength as I am politically (socially I think we're all largely aligned), "your side" is seriously crossing the line[/url]. Might want to reign them in a bit.For non-US folks, which side are you referring to?
And which side is crossing the line?
And I'm done. Read the article.
I've read the article. Not familiar with SF and Hugo awards, so it's still confusing.
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April 8, 2015 at 8:18 am
Grant Fritchey (4/8/2015)
Probably get in a little trouble for this, but since I know that many of you are both SF fans and, let's just say, not on the same wavelength as I am politically (socially I think we're all largely aligned), "your side" is seriously crossing the line[/url]. Might want to reign them in a bit.
From the side of both fan and author, I've been hearing about that for over three years now. Not commenting on it because it would just be a pile on.
April 8, 2015 at 8:22 am
Koen Verbeeck (4/8/2015)
Grant Fritchey (4/8/2015)
Koen Verbeeck (4/8/2015)
Koen Verbeeck (4/8/2015)
Grant Fritchey (4/8/2015)
Probably get in a little trouble for this, but since I know that many of you are both SF fans and, let's just say, not on the same wavelength as I am politically (socially I think we're all largely aligned), "your side" is seriously crossing the line[/url]. Might want to reign them in a bit.For non-US folks, which side are you referring to?
And which side is crossing the line?
And I'm done. Read the article.
I've read the article. Not familiar with SF and Hugo awards, so it's still confusing.
Hugos are The Award for science fiction and fantasy. Originally created as a fan award, now it is our equivilant of a Pulitzer or Nobel prize. There is a lot of blood in the water over the issue. If you want to learn more about it, Google Sad Puppies, Rabid Puppies, and Hugo Scandal.
EDIT: Removed a search term because I referenced the wrong one.
April 8, 2015 at 8:27 am
Brandie Tarvin (4/8/2015)
Koen Verbeeck (4/8/2015)
Grant Fritchey (4/8/2015)
Koen Verbeeck (4/8/2015)
Koen Verbeeck (4/8/2015)
Grant Fritchey (4/8/2015)
Probably get in a little trouble for this, but since I know that many of you are both SF fans and, let's just say, not on the same wavelength as I am politically (socially I think we're all largely aligned), "your side" is seriously crossing the line[/url]. Might want to reign them in a bit.For non-US folks, which side are you referring to?
And which side is crossing the line?
And I'm done. Read the article.
I've read the article. Not familiar with SF and Hugo awards, so it's still confusing.
Hugos are The Award for science fiction and fantasy. Originally created as a fan award, now it is our equivilant of a Pulitzer or Nobel prize. There is a lot of blood in the water over the issue. If you want to learn more about it, Google Sad Puppies, Rabid Puppies, and Hugo Scandal.
EDIT: Removed a search term because I referenced the wrong one.
Already did some research, thanks 🙂
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April 8, 2015 at 8:28 am
Grant Fritchey (4/8/2015)
Probably get in a little trouble for this, but since I know that many of you are both SF fans and, let's just say, not on the same wavelength as I am politically (socially I think we're all largely aligned), "your side" is seriously crossing the line[/url]. Might want to reign them in a bit.
Believe me Grant, the larger community is very upset about him and several others. They're not a part of the community, they just write (and I use that term loosely) SF, are frequently self published, and have a small following.
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April 8, 2015 at 8:34 am
Jeff, what did you mean by "retro code" when you were talking about how hosed up SSMS got?
April 8, 2015 at 8:37 am
Sioban Krzywicki (4/8/2015)
... They're not a part of the community ....
And here we part ways.
"The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood"
- Theodore Roosevelt
Author of:
SQL Server Execution Plans
SQL Server Query Performance Tuning
April 8, 2015 at 8:44 am
On the subject of reading...
https://www.thedodo.com/pets-interrupting-reading-968102862.html
And can we please leave the politics somewhere else?
Gail Shaw
Microsoft Certified Master: SQL Server, MVP, M.Sc (Comp Sci)
SQL In The Wild: Discussions on DB performance with occasional diversions into recoverability
April 8, 2015 at 8:53 am
GilaMonster (4/8/2015)
On the subject of reading...https://www.thedodo.com/pets-interrupting-reading-968102862.html
SQUEEEE!
Thank you for that link, Gail. It just made my morning. @=)
And on another note, back to SQL 2012 SSMS, does anyone know if that annoying bug with Job Activity Monitor was fixed? The one that puts the big red X in one screen if you have multiple Job Activity Monitors from different instances open on the same open instance of SSMS.
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