February 15, 2015 at 8:34 pm
... Mark one off, 12 days on the calendar to go. 12 days on the calendar to go, 12 days to go, ...
February 16, 2015 at 3:19 am
Lynn Pettis (2/15/2015)
... Mark one off, 12 days on the calendar to go. 12 days on the calendar to go, 12 days to go, ...
Almost down to the single digits.
WHOOOP!!!!
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February 16, 2015 at 3:26 am
Lynn Pettis (2/15/2015)
TomThomson (2/14/2015)
Lynn Pettis (2/14/2015)
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Eirikur Eiriksson (2/7/2015)
TomThomson (2/7/2015)
Grant Fritchey (2/5/2015)
Really? Yankees fans? Are they even human?Usually not - they're mostly American.
Tom, must say that I find this comment totally inappropriate
😎
How can it be appropriate to question whether Yankee fans are human but no to question whether Americans are human? You should recognise a pretty ordinary means of calling into question a piece of stupidity, generalisation to include the author of the stupidity into its range.
I imagine you wil have collected a lot of comments agreeing with you - hence one can deduce the validity of my generalisation.
Grant -- Are they even human?
Tom -- usually not - they're mostly American
Hence, I was offended by your answer to Grant's question.
But not by Grant's comment? Was that simply because you are not a Yanklee fan? Can I say what I like about Yankee fans without offending you? That would be pretty disgraceful, Lynn.
Clearly even when an American makes what looks like a civilsed reply they are still dispaying their barbarity. I thought from your original comment that you inderstood my point about Grant's remark. I see now that I was wrong. I guess I have to make my point bloody obvious: Lets try this:
...unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness unless of course they are Yankee fans because then they are not human.
That's effectively what Grant was saying (although I'm sure he didn't mean it) , that's what I responded to. You Americans make a habit of excluding human rights from everyone but yourselves (think Guantanamo), and that's why you are saying it's acceptable as long as we say "Yankee fans" but no longer acceptable once we change "Yankee fans" to "Americans", because excluding a small (and to some of you, alien) group of Americans makes it OK.
Well, it doesnt make it OK to me, and now and again when one of you manifests that attitude, I will point out to you that your attitude is disgraceful. If you don't like it, start behaving as if you believed your country's declaration (for example remember that even Yankee fans are human).
Sorry, but Grant's question was never really meant to be answered as it is just sports banter. Unfortunately, I took offense at your basically calling Yankee fans who are mostly American less than human. I'm not a Yankees fan but I didn't appreciate your response.
Do what you think you need to do, just realize we reserve the same. Personally, I try to be professional on this site, and I have been called on that a few times when I crossed the line. I actually appreciated being called out on those occasions.
Also, no one is perfect, and if you expect even one of us to be so all the time, you are going to be sorely disappointed.
One more thing, I'd appreciate it if you didn't preach about how we should behave.
Since I evidently started this brouhaha with my silly sports comment, please, let me try to shut it down.
First, my comment was a very light jibe regarding a sports team and wasn't meant to be taken seriously by any one. Heck, I don't even follow any of the sports closely enough to be upset with someone because they support the opposing team. But, I'm aware of the phenomenon and can take part. That's all it was meant to be. Sorry if it went beyond that.
As to the rest, politics and religion are usually topics to be avoided in order to keep friends in mixed company. This is especially true in digital communications where tone and inflection are completely invisible. Could we maybe just walk away from this one?
"The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood"
- Theodore Roosevelt
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February 16, 2015 at 5:29 am
Sioban Krzywicki (2/15/2015)
TomThomson (2/14/2015)
Lynn Pettis (2/14/2015)
TomThomson (2/14/2015)
Eirikur Eiriksson (2/7/2015)
TomThomson (2/7/2015)
Grant Fritchey (2/5/2015)
Really? Yankees fans? Are they even human?Usually not - they're mostly American.
Tom, must say that I find this comment totally inappropriate
😎
How can it be appropriate to question whether Yankee fans are human but no to question whether Americans are human? You should recognise a pretty ordinary means of calling into question a piece of stupidity, generalisation to include the author of the stupidity into its range.
I imagine you wil have collected a lot of comments agreeing with you - hence one can deduce the validity of my generalisation.
Grant -- Are they even human?
Tom -- usually not - they're mostly American
Hence, I was offended by your answer to Grant's question.
But not by Grant's comment? Was that simply because you are not a Yanklee fan? Can I say what I like about Yankee fans without offending you? That would be pretty disgraceful, Lynn.
Clearly even when an American makes what looks like a civilsed reply they are still dispaying their barbarity. I thought from your original comment that you inderstood my point about Grant's remark. I see now that I was wrong. I guess I have to make my point bloody obvious: Lets try this:
...unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness unless of course they are Yankee fans because then they are not human.
That's effectively what Grant was saying (although I'm sure he didn't mean it) , that's what I responded to. You Americans make a habit of excluding human rights from everyone but yourselves (think Guantanamo), and that's why you are saying it's acceptable as long as we say "Yankee fans" but no longer acceptable once we change "Yankee fans" to "Americans", because excluding a small (and to some of you, alien) group of Americans makes it OK.
Well, it doesnt make it OK to me, and now and again when one of you manifests that attitude, I will point out to you that your attitude is disgraceful. If you don't like it, start behaving as if you believed your country's declaration (for example remember that even Yankee fans are human).
Are you acquainted with the concept of friendly banter?
Yes, of course. I have teh impression that maybe I'm the only person here who is. And if Grant's remark can be accepted as friendly banter, so can mine.
Certainly I found in the USA that I would be the butt of anti-British remarks, anti-English remarks (a bit crazy, as I'm not English), anti-Scottish remarks, and even anti-Irish remarks (my fault, I shouldn't have spoken Gàidhlig on my 'phone in a Boston bar, there are people there who will mistake it for Gaeilge) but I didn't take offence at any of them, just fed back appropriate banter. Have things really changed so much in the years since I was last in the USA, or have I just run into some very silly Americans here, people unable to accept it when things are turned back on them?
Let's be clear, I had no intention of offending anyone when I responded to Grant's question. It was exactly the sort of response that I would have expected if for example I had asked the same question about Yorkshire (cricket) fans. But the reaction to that response has in my opinion been immature, dimwitted, puerile.
Tom
February 16, 2015 at 6:26 am
TomThomson (2/16/2015)
Sioban Krzywicki (2/15/2015)
TomThomson (2/14/2015)
Lynn Pettis (2/14/2015)
TomThomson (2/14/2015)
Eirikur Eiriksson (2/7/2015)
TomThomson (2/7/2015)
Grant Fritchey (2/5/2015)
Really? Yankees fans? Are they even human?Usually not - they're mostly American.
Tom, must say that I find this comment totally inappropriate
😎
How can it be appropriate to question whether Yankee fans are human but no to question whether Americans are human? You should recognise a pretty ordinary means of calling into question a piece of stupidity, generalisation to include the author of the stupidity into its range.
I imagine you wil have collected a lot of comments agreeing with you - hence one can deduce the validity of my generalisation.
Grant -- Are they even human?
Tom -- usually not - they're mostly American
Hence, I was offended by your answer to Grant's question.
But not by Grant's comment? Was that simply because you are not a Yanklee fan? Can I say what I like about Yankee fans without offending you? That would be pretty disgraceful, Lynn.
Clearly even when an American makes what looks like a civilsed reply they are still dispaying their barbarity. I thought from your original comment that you inderstood my point about Grant's remark. I see now that I was wrong. I guess I have to make my point bloody obvious: Lets try this:
...unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness unless of course they are Yankee fans because then they are not human.
That's effectively what Grant was saying (although I'm sure he didn't mean it) , that's what I responded to. You Americans make a habit of excluding human rights from everyone but yourselves (think Guantanamo), and that's why you are saying it's acceptable as long as we say "Yankee fans" but no longer acceptable once we change "Yankee fans" to "Americans", because excluding a small (and to some of you, alien) group of Americans makes it OK.
Well, it doesnt make it OK to me, and now and again when one of you manifests that attitude, I will point out to you that your attitude is disgraceful. If you don't like it, start behaving as if you believed your country's declaration (for example remember that even Yankee fans are human).
Are you acquainted with the concept of friendly banter?
Yes, of course. I have teh impression that maybe I'm the only person here who is. And if Grant's remark can be accepted as friendly banter, so can mine.
Certainly I found in the USA that I would be the butt of anti-British remarks, anti-English remarks (a bit crazy, as I'm not English), anti-Scottish remarks, and even anti-Irish remarks (my fault, I shouldn't have spoken Gàidhlig on my 'phone in a Boston bar, there are people there who will mistake it for Gaeilge) but I didn't take offence at any of them, just fed back appropriate banter. Have things really changed so much in the years since I was last in the USA, or have I just run into some very silly Americans here, people unable to accept it when things are turned back on them?
Let's be clear, I had no intention of offending anyone when I responded to Grant's question. It was exactly the sort of response that I would have expected if for example I had asked the same question about Yorkshire (cricket) fans. But the reaction to that response has in my opinion been immature, dimwitted, puerile.
Geez folks... Let's bury this skirmish and go have a beer together. 🙂 We've been friends too long to let this something like this go on.
--Jeff Moden
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February 16, 2015 at 7:18 am
TomThomson (2/16/2015)
...
Stop digging, Tom! For goodness' sake, you're coming across as a cranky old fella with a short fuse. This is not what we are used to seeing from you.
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February 16, 2015 at 7:23 am
Hey Chris,
How likely is the chance now of you turning up Thursday at SQL Bits?
Rodders...
February 16, 2015 at 7:33 am
rodjkidd (2/16/2015)
Hey Chris,How likely is the chance now of you turning up Thursday at SQL Bits?
Rodders...
I've booked the day off, mate - need 5 minutes to book the thursday at the show. Blimey - half an hour with IBG...
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February 16, 2015 at 7:46 am
ChrisM@Work (2/16/2015)
rodjkidd (2/16/2015)
Hey Chris,How likely is the chance now of you turning up Thursday at SQL Bits?
Rodders...
I've booked the day off, mate - need 5 minutes to book the thursday at the show. Blimey - half an hour with IBG...
Excellent! We can catch up at some point then.
Or you mean an hour with IBG!
Or Jon K, Or Chris Atkin, Or Klaus! Don't know Sandip So cant comment.
I'm doing one of the training days - Alllan's And Lara's. looking forward to it, but wish I'd seen the "normal" lineup for the day first. May well have switched. Thursday is looking like a very good and interetsing day.
Rodders...
February 16, 2015 at 7:56 am
rodjkidd (2/16/2015)
ChrisM@Work (2/16/2015)
rodjkidd (2/16/2015)
Hey Chris,How likely is the chance now of you turning up Thursday at SQL Bits?
Rodders...
I've booked the day off, mate - need 5 minutes to book the thursday at the show. Blimey - half an hour with IBG...
Excellent! We can catch up at some point then.
Or you mean an hour with IBG!
Or Jon K, Or Chris Atkin, Or Klaus! Don't know Sandip So cant comment.
I'm doing one of the training days - Alllan's And Lara's. looking forward to it, but wish I'd seen the "normal" lineup for the day first. May well have switched. Thursday is looking like a very good and interetsing day.
Rodders...
Booking tonight, providing there are places left - it will be good to catch up and I'll pass any decent gossip back to Paul. Should have time for a pint 🙂
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February 16, 2015 at 9:23 am
Grant Fritchey (2/16/2015)
Lynn Pettis (2/15/2015)
TomThomson (2/14/2015)
Lynn Pettis (2/14/2015)
TomThomson (2/14/2015)
Eirikur Eiriksson (2/7/2015)
TomThomson (2/7/2015)
Grant Fritchey (2/5/2015)
Really? Yankees fans? Are they even human?Usually not - they're mostly American.
Tom, must say that I find this comment totally inappropriate
😎
How can it be appropriate to question whether Yankee fans are human but no to question whether Americans are human? You should recognise a pretty ordinary means of calling into question a piece of stupidity, generalisation to include the author of the stupidity into its range.
I imagine you wil have collected a lot of comments agreeing with you - hence one can deduce the validity of my generalisation.
Grant -- Are they even human?
Tom -- usually not - they're mostly American
Hence, I was offended by your answer to Grant's question.
But not by Grant's comment? Was that simply because you are not a Yanklee fan? Can I say what I like about Yankee fans without offending you? That would be pretty disgraceful, Lynn.
Clearly even when an American makes what looks like a civilsed reply they are still dispaying their barbarity. I thought from your original comment that you inderstood my point about Grant's remark. I see now that I was wrong. I guess I have to make my point bloody obvious: Lets try this:
...unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness unless of course they are Yankee fans because then they are not human.
That's effectively what Grant was saying (although I'm sure he didn't mean it) , that's what I responded to. You Americans make a habit of excluding human rights from everyone but yourselves (think Guantanamo), and that's why you are saying it's acceptable as long as we say "Yankee fans" but no longer acceptable once we change "Yankee fans" to "Americans", because excluding a small (and to some of you, alien) group of Americans makes it OK.
Well, it doesnt make it OK to me, and now and again when one of you manifests that attitude, I will point out to you that your attitude is disgraceful. If you don't like it, start behaving as if you believed your country's declaration (for example remember that even Yankee fans are human).
Sorry, but Grant's question was never really meant to be answered as it is just sports banter. Unfortunately, I took offense at your basically calling Yankee fans who are mostly American less than human. I'm not a Yankees fan but I didn't appreciate your response.
Do what you think you need to do, just realize we reserve the same. Personally, I try to be professional on this site, and I have been called on that a few times when I crossed the line. I actually appreciated being called out on those occasions.
Also, no one is perfect, and if you expect even one of us to be so all the time, you are going to be sorely disappointed.
One more thing, I'd appreciate it if you didn't preach about how we should behave.
Since I evidently started this brouhaha with my silly sports comment, please, let me try to shut it down.
First, my comment was a very light jibe regarding a sports team and wasn't meant to be taken seriously by any one. Heck, I don't even follow any of the sports closely enough to be upset with someone because they support the opposing team. But, I'm aware of the phenomenon and can take part. That's all it was meant to be. Sorry if it went beyond that.
As to the rest, politics and religion are usually topics to be avoided in order to keep friends in mixed company. This is especially true in digital communications where tone and inflection are completely invisible. Could we maybe just walk away from this one?
Yes, please?
I saw both as in the same class as "sports banter", quick friendly "tongue-in-cheeck" kind of jabs and nothing more. Please, let's move on.
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February 16, 2015 at 9:43 am
SQLRNNR (2/16/2015)
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Lynn Pettis (2/14/2015)
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TomThomson (2/7/2015)
Grant Fritchey (2/5/2015)
Really? Yankees fans? Are they even human?Usually not - they're mostly American.
Tom, must say that I find this comment totally inappropriate
😎
How can it be appropriate to question whether Yankee fans are human but no to question whether Americans are human? You should recognise a pretty ordinary means of calling into question a piece of stupidity, generalisation to include the author of the stupidity into its range.
I imagine you wil have collected a lot of comments agreeing with you - hence one can deduce the validity of my generalisation.
Grant -- Are they even human?
Tom -- usually not - they're mostly American
Hence, I was offended by your answer to Grant's question.
But not by Grant's comment? Was that simply because you are not a Yanklee fan? Can I say what I like about Yankee fans without offending you? That would be pretty disgraceful, Lynn.
Clearly even when an American makes what looks like a civilsed reply they are still dispaying their barbarity. I thought from your original comment that you inderstood my point about Grant's remark. I see now that I was wrong. I guess I have to make my point bloody obvious: Lets try this:
...unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness unless of course they are Yankee fans because then they are not human.
That's effectively what Grant was saying (although I'm sure he didn't mean it) , that's what I responded to. You Americans make a habit of excluding human rights from everyone but yourselves (think Guantanamo), and that's why you are saying it's acceptable as long as we say "Yankee fans" but no longer acceptable once we change "Yankee fans" to "Americans", because excluding a small (and to some of you, alien) group of Americans makes it OK.
Well, it doesnt make it OK to me, and now and again when one of you manifests that attitude, I will point out to you that your attitude is disgraceful. If you don't like it, start behaving as if you believed your country's declaration (for example remember that even Yankee fans are human).
Sorry, but Grant's question was never really meant to be answered as it is just sports banter. Unfortunately, I took offense at your basically calling Yankee fans who are mostly American less than human. I'm not a Yankees fan but I didn't appreciate your response.
Do what you think you need to do, just realize we reserve the same. Personally, I try to be professional on this site, and I have been called on that a few times when I crossed the line. I actually appreciated being called out on those occasions.
Also, no one is perfect, and if you expect even one of us to be so all the time, you are going to be sorely disappointed.
One more thing, I'd appreciate it if you didn't preach about how we should behave.
Since I evidently started this brouhaha with my silly sports comment, please, let me try to shut it down.
First, my comment was a very light jibe regarding a sports team and wasn't meant to be taken seriously by any one. Heck, I don't even follow any of the sports closely enough to be upset with someone because they support the opposing team. But, I'm aware of the phenomenon and can take part. That's all it was meant to be. Sorry if it went beyond that.
As to the rest, politics and religion are usually topics to be avoided in order to keep friends in mixed company. This is especially true in digital communications where tone and inflection are completely invisible. Could we maybe just walk away from this one?
Yes, please?
I saw both as in the same class as "sports banter", quick friendly "tongue-in-cheeck" kind of jabs and nothing more. Please, let's move on.
I share this sentiment.
February 16, 2015 at 9:53 am
ChrisM@Work (2/16/2015)
TomThomson (2/16/2015)
...Stop digging, Tom! For goodness' sake, you're coming across as a cranky old fella with a short fuse. This is not what we are used to seeing from you.
You probably have a point. I'm still as weak as a kitten from whatever bug got me, I can't concentrate on anything, I keep on forgetting what I'm trying to do, and Ann is in an even worse state than I am. That's tending to make me very cracky, and more unstable than just short-fused.
Tom
February 16, 2015 at 10:35 am
TomThomson (2/16/2015)
ChrisM@Work (2/16/2015)
TomThomson (2/16/2015)
...Stop digging, Tom! For goodness' sake, you're coming across as a cranky old fella with a short fuse. This is not what we are used to seeing from you.
You probably have a point. I'm still as weak as a kitten from whatever bug got me, I can't concentrate on anything, I keep on forgetting what I'm trying to do, and Ann is in an even worse state than I am. That's tending to make me very cracky, and more unstable than just short-fused.
Hope both you and Ann shake your bug soon.
I seem to have been lucky enough to avoid stuff going around this winter.
Wish that was luck I could share.
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