February 13, 2015 at 9:12 am
Brandie Tarvin (2/13/2015)
SqlSanctum (2/13/2015)
Ed Wagner (2/13/2015)
Gazareth (2/13/2015)
Brandie Tarvin (2/13/2015)
SqlSanctum (2/13/2015)
Koen Verbeeck (2/13/2015)
Brandie Tarvin (2/13/2015)
Gail and Jeff, I really want to thank you for your input on the SQL Server licensing issue. Not only were we able to get Developer edition added to the request for our Dev and Test instances, we found out that Microsoft is running a special (at least for us). For every current licensed Enterprise edition with maintenance, we get two free Developer editions. Plus apparently someone in corporate did the Core math wrong and was almost charging us for our passive instance.We went from 26 Enterprise licenses down to 6. Saved a BUNDLE, especially since that special got us all our Dev / Test / QC instances for free.
Happy days. Happy days.
Thank you again for the suggestion of Developer edition. Boss is really happy now.
Seems like very good news!
Normally I just haunt this thread as my daily entertainment, but I have to share my pain on this topic. We actually have Enterprise on every single instance, regardless of what it's used for. They stopped wanting to buy SQL 2012 because licensing cost so much. Suggestions of Developer Edition have been met with wild ideas of support concerns and the "headaches" of sorting it out.
Let me guess. None of these complainers are actual DBAs.
Presumably they're not Accountants either 🙂
I hear you there. My company won't buy EE because of the cost. I've heard it referred to as "Expensive Edition" before. 😛
Oh no, every DBA has tried to convince them that this is a good idea. The problem is so far up the chain that I don't even think we are talking to the source yet. The really sad part is that there are complaints about needing to cut the budget, but then we have Enterprise Edition on development boxes...
So find out your licensing setup (Cores or ... the other one). Get a price for the licensing and maintenance. Multiply the number of licenses in Dev, Test, and QC times that price. Then take it to upper management and say "How would you like me to save you X thousands of dollars?"
In my case, we saved hundreds of thousands of dollars (over a quarter million dollars).
I would think that should get someone's attention, even if you do end up having to pay the $50 per seat for the Dev edition.
Awesome savings Brandie.
In addition to your licensing savings, how much are you saving yearly?
Wayne
Microsoft Certified Master: SQL Server 2008
Author - SQL Server T-SQL Recipes
February 13, 2015 at 9:19 am
Brandie Tarvin (2/13/2015)
SqlSanctum (2/13/2015)
Ed Wagner (2/13/2015)
Gazareth (2/13/2015)
Brandie Tarvin (2/13/2015)
SqlSanctum (2/13/2015)
Koen Verbeeck (2/13/2015)
Brandie Tarvin (2/13/2015)
Gail and Jeff, I really want to thank you for your input on the SQL Server licensing issue. Not only were we able to get Developer edition added to the request for our Dev and Test instances, we found out that Microsoft is running a special (at least for us). For every current licensed Enterprise edition with maintenance, we get two free Developer editions. Plus apparently someone in corporate did the Core math wrong and was almost charging us for our passive instance.We went from 26 Enterprise licenses down to 6. Saved a BUNDLE, especially since that special got us all our Dev / Test / QC instances for free.
Happy days. Happy days.
Thank you again for the suggestion of Developer edition. Boss is really happy now.
Seems like very good news!
Normally I just haunt this thread as my daily entertainment, but I have to share my pain on this topic. We actually have Enterprise on every single instance, regardless of what it's used for. They stopped wanting to buy SQL 2012 because licensing cost so much. Suggestions of Developer Edition have been met with wild ideas of support concerns and the "headaches" of sorting it out.
Let me guess. None of these complainers are actual DBAs.
Presumably they're not Accountants either 🙂
I hear you there. My company won't buy EE because of the cost. I've heard it referred to as "Expensive Edition" before. 😛
Oh no, every DBA has tried to convince them that this is a good idea. The problem is so far up the chain that I don't even think we are talking to the source yet. The really sad part is that there are complaints about needing to cut the budget, but then we have Enterprise Edition on development boxes...
So find out your licensing setup (Cores or ... the other one). Get a price for the licensing and maintenance. Multiply the number of licenses in Dev, Test, and QC times that price. Then take it to upper management and say "How would you like me to save you X thousands of dollars?"
In my case, we saved hundreds of thousands of dollars (over a quarter million dollars).
I would think that should get someone's attention, even if you do end up having to pay the $50 per seat for the Dev edition.
It would save hundreds of thousands here too, but someone influential has convinced them there is a lack of support associated with Developer and that scares them more than price, even though I've yet to hear exactly what the problem is. The DBA team has managed to fix a few things, but it's all very slow going, and requires a lot of convincing. Let's just say I'm in a very bureaucratic environment. I'm hopeful that licensing will be dealt with this year.
February 13, 2015 at 9:29 am
WayneS (2/13/2015)
Brandie Tarvin (2/13/2015)
SqlSanctum (2/13/2015)
Ed Wagner (2/13/2015)
Gazareth (2/13/2015)
Brandie Tarvin (2/13/2015)
SqlSanctum (2/13/2015)
Koen Verbeeck (2/13/2015)
Brandie Tarvin (2/13/2015)
Gail and Jeff, I really want to thank you for your input on the SQL Server licensing issue. Not only were we able to get Developer edition added to the request for our Dev and Test instances, we found out that Microsoft is running a special (at least for us). For every current licensed Enterprise edition with maintenance, we get two free Developer editions. Plus apparently someone in corporate did the Core math wrong and was almost charging us for our passive instance.We went from 26 Enterprise licenses down to 6. Saved a BUNDLE, especially since that special got us all our Dev / Test / QC instances for free.
Happy days. Happy days.
Thank you again for the suggestion of Developer edition. Boss is really happy now.
Seems like very good news!
Normally I just haunt this thread as my daily entertainment, but I have to share my pain on this topic. We actually have Enterprise on every single instance, regardless of what it's used for. They stopped wanting to buy SQL 2012 because licensing cost so much. Suggestions of Developer Edition have been met with wild ideas of support concerns and the "headaches" of sorting it out.
Let me guess. None of these complainers are actual DBAs.
Presumably they're not Accountants either 🙂
I hear you there. My company won't buy EE because of the cost. I've heard it referred to as "Expensive Edition" before. 😛
Oh no, every DBA has tried to convince them that this is a good idea. The problem is so far up the chain that I don't even think we are talking to the source yet. The really sad part is that there are complaints about needing to cut the budget, but then we have Enterprise Edition on development boxes...
So find out your licensing setup (Cores or ... the other one). Get a price for the licensing and maintenance. Multiply the number of licenses in Dev, Test, and QC times that price. Then take it to upper management and say "How would you like me to save you X thousands of dollars?"
In my case, we saved hundreds of thousands of dollars (over a quarter million dollars).
I would think that should get someone's attention, even if you do end up having to pay the $50 per seat for the Dev edition.
Awesome savings Brandie.
In addition to your licensing savings, how much are you saving yearly?
I believe that cost includes maintenance for the first year. So I'm not sure how the rest of the math works out.
February 13, 2015 at 10:31 am
SqlSanctum (2/13/2015)
Brandie Tarvin (2/13/2015)
SqlSanctum (2/13/2015)
Ed Wagner (2/13/2015)
Gazareth (2/13/2015)
Brandie Tarvin (2/13/2015)
SqlSanctum (2/13/2015)
Koen Verbeeck (2/13/2015)
Brandie Tarvin (2/13/2015)
Gail and Jeff, I really want to thank you for your input on the SQL Server licensing issue. Not only were we able to get Developer edition added to the request for our Dev and Test instances, we found out that Microsoft is running a special (at least for us). For every current licensed Enterprise edition with maintenance, we get two free Developer editions. Plus apparently someone in corporate did the Core math wrong and was almost charging us for our passive instance.We went from 26 Enterprise licenses down to 6. Saved a BUNDLE, especially since that special got us all our Dev / Test / QC instances for free.
Happy days. Happy days.
Thank you again for the suggestion of Developer edition. Boss is really happy now.
Seems like very good news!
Normally I just haunt this thread as my daily entertainment, but I have to share my pain on this topic. We actually have Enterprise on every single instance, regardless of what it's used for. They stopped wanting to buy SQL 2012 because licensing cost so much. Suggestions of Developer Edition have been met with wild ideas of support concerns and the "headaches" of sorting it out.
Let me guess. None of these complainers are actual DBAs.
Presumably they're not Accountants either 🙂
I hear you there. My company won't buy EE because of the cost. I've heard it referred to as "Expensive Edition" before. 😛
Oh no, every DBA has tried to convince them that this is a good idea. The problem is so far up the chain that I don't even think we are talking to the source yet. The really sad part is that there are complaints about needing to cut the budget, but then we have Enterprise Edition on development boxes...
So find out your licensing setup (Cores or ... the other one). Get a price for the licensing and maintenance. Multiply the number of licenses in Dev, Test, and QC times that price. Then take it to upper management and say "How would you like me to save you X thousands of dollars?"
In my case, we saved hundreds of thousands of dollars (over a quarter million dollars).
I would think that should get someone's attention, even if you do end up having to pay the $50 per seat for the Dev edition.
It would save hundreds of thousands here too, but someone influential has convinced them there is a lack of support associated with Developer and that scares them more than price, even though I've yet to hear exactly what the problem is. The DBA team has managed to fix a few things, but it's all very slow going, and requires a lot of convincing. Let's just say I'm in a very bureaucratic environment. I'm hopeful that licensing will be dealt with this year.
Don't you get DEV with an MSDN subscription?
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When you encounter a problem, if the solution isn't readily evident go back to the start and check your assumptions.
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It’s unpleasantly like being drunk.
What’s so unpleasant about being drunk?
You ask a glass of water. -- Douglas Adams
February 13, 2015 at 10:46 am
Sioban Krzywicki (2/13/2015)
SqlSanctum (2/13/2015)
Brandie Tarvin (2/13/2015)
SqlSanctum (2/13/2015)
Ed Wagner (2/13/2015)
Gazareth (2/13/2015)
Brandie Tarvin (2/13/2015)
SqlSanctum (2/13/2015)
Koen Verbeeck (2/13/2015)
Brandie Tarvin (2/13/2015)
Gail and Jeff, I really want to thank you for your input on the SQL Server licensing issue. Not only were we able to get Developer edition added to the request for our Dev and Test instances, we found out that Microsoft is running a special (at least for us). For every current licensed Enterprise edition with maintenance, we get two free Developer editions. Plus apparently someone in corporate did the Core math wrong and was almost charging us for our passive instance.We went from 26 Enterprise licenses down to 6. Saved a BUNDLE, especially since that special got us all our Dev / Test / QC instances for free.
Happy days. Happy days.
Thank you again for the suggestion of Developer edition. Boss is really happy now.
Seems like very good news!
Normally I just haunt this thread as my daily entertainment, but I have to share my pain on this topic. We actually have Enterprise on every single instance, regardless of what it's used for. They stopped wanting to buy SQL 2012 because licensing cost so much. Suggestions of Developer Edition have been met with wild ideas of support concerns and the "headaches" of sorting it out.
Let me guess. None of these complainers are actual DBAs.
Presumably they're not Accountants either 🙂
I hear you there. My company won't buy EE because of the cost. I've heard it referred to as "Expensive Edition" before. 😛
Oh no, every DBA has tried to convince them that this is a good idea. The problem is so far up the chain that I don't even think we are talking to the source yet. The really sad part is that there are complaints about needing to cut the budget, but then we have Enterprise Edition on development boxes...
So find out your licensing setup (Cores or ... the other one). Get a price for the licensing and maintenance. Multiply the number of licenses in Dev, Test, and QC times that price. Then take it to upper management and say "How would you like me to save you X thousands of dollars?"
In my case, we saved hundreds of thousands of dollars (over a quarter million dollars).
I would think that should get someone's attention, even if you do end up having to pay the $50 per seat for the Dev edition.
It would save hundreds of thousands here too, but someone influential has convinced them there is a lack of support associated with Developer and that scares them more than price, even though I've yet to hear exactly what the problem is. The DBA team has managed to fix a few things, but it's all very slow going, and requires a lot of convincing. Let's just say I'm in a very bureaucratic environment. I'm hopeful that licensing will be dealt with this year.
Don't you get DEV with an MSDN subscription?
Probably, but for how many seats?
February 13, 2015 at 10:54 am
Brandie Tarvin (2/13/2015)
Sioban Krzywicki (2/13/2015)
Don't you get DEV with an MSDN subscription?
Probably, but for how many seats?
Depends on the level of the subscription. I have seen 5 licenses with 50 cals each per subscription quite regularly.
That is something that could be cleared with the MS rep handling your licensing.
Jason...AKA CirqueDeSQLeil
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February 13, 2015 at 10:56 am
SQLRNNR (2/13/2015)
Brandie Tarvin (2/13/2015)
Sioban Krzywicki (2/13/2015)
Don't you get DEV with an MSDN subscription?
Probably, but for how many seats?
Depends on the level of the subscription. I have seen 5 licenses with 50 cals each per subscription quite regularly.
That is something that could be cleared with the MS rep handling your licensing.
And I was thinking the subscription might come with a level of support that was sufficient to quell some qualms
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When you encounter a problem, if the solution isn't readily evident go back to the start and check your assumptions.
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It’s unpleasantly like being drunk.
What’s so unpleasant about being drunk?
You ask a glass of water. -- Douglas Adams
February 13, 2015 at 10:57 am
WayneS (2/13/2015)
Brandie Tarvin (2/13/2015)
Gail and Jeff, I really want to thank you for your input on the SQL Server licensing issue. Not only were we able to get Developer edition added to the request for our Dev and Test instances, we found out that Microsoft is running a special (at least for us). For every current licensed Enterprise edition with maintenance, we get two free Developer editions. Plus apparently someone in corporate did the Core math wrong and was almost charging us for our passive instance.We went from 26 Enterprise licenses down to 6. Saved a BUNDLE, especially since that special got us all our Dev / Test / QC instances for free.
Happy days. Happy days.
Thank you again for the suggestion of Developer edition. Boss is really happy now.
They both get a kick-back right? 5% of the savings sounds fair... 😀
Either that or a lifetime of free Jimmy John's #9 sandwiches. 😛
Thanks for the feedback, Brandie.
Just so you know it wasn't a speculation on my part, we did similar here. My NetOps group is large and in-charge of licensing. We had a shedload of boxes that were licensed for Enterprise and I never thought to check (they're not all my boxes) until we started on our 2012 upgrades. They understandably got a little pissy when I told them that I wanted replacements no only for Dev, Staging, and Prod, but also a new separate box for the QA department. THAT's when I found out that the Dev and Staging boxes in multiple areas weren't setup as the Dev Edition. Because of some deal that was made with the Microsoft Authorized seller that we go through and the number of dev licenses we bought, we get the dev licenses for $35 USD each. We saved more money than you can shake a stick at and used some of that money to really beef up the production server and the related storage. That helped save even more money because it's beefy enough to allow us to consolidate some of the other servers.
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February 14, 2015 at 8:00 am
... Mark one off, 14 days on the calendar to go. 14 days on the calendar to go, 14 days to go, ...
February 14, 2015 at 8:07 am
Lynn Pettis (2/14/2015)
... Mark one off, 14 days on the calendar to go. 14 days on the calendar to go, 14 days to go, ...
Only two weeks, almost there!
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February 14, 2015 at 10:49 am
Lynn Pettis (2/7/2015)
TomThomson (2/7/2015)
Grant Fritchey (2/5/2015)
Really? Yankees fans? Are they even human?Usually not - they're mostly American.
Okay, I'm insulted and I am not a Yankee fan.
That sounds as if you understood my point - well said.
Tom
February 14, 2015 at 10:52 am
TomThomson (2/14/2015)
Lynn Pettis (2/7/2015)
TomThomson (2/7/2015)
Grant Fritchey (2/5/2015)
Really? Yankees fans? Are they even human?Usually not - they're mostly American.
Okay, I'm insulted and I am not a Yankee fan.
That sounds as if you understood my point - well said.
Actually, I was insulted.
February 14, 2015 at 10:54 am
Eirikur Eiriksson (2/7/2015)
TomThomson (2/7/2015)
Grant Fritchey (2/5/2015)
Really? Yankees fans? Are they even human?Usually not - they're mostly American.
Tom, must say that I find this comment totally inappropriate
😎
How can it be appropriate to question whether Yankee fans are human but no to question whether Americans are human? You should recognise a pretty ordinary means of calling into question a piece of stupidity, generalisation to include the author of the stupidity into its range.
I imagine you wil have collected a lot of comments agreeing with you - hence one can deduce the validity of my generalisation.
Tom
February 14, 2015 at 10:58 am
TomThomson (2/14/2015)
Eirikur Eiriksson (2/7/2015)
TomThomson (2/7/2015)
Grant Fritchey (2/5/2015)
Really? Yankees fans? Are they even human?Usually not - they're mostly American.
Tom, must say that I find this comment totally inappropriate
😎
How can it be appropriate to question whether Yankee fans are human but no to question whether Americans are human? You should recognise a pretty ordinary means of calling into question a piece of stupidity, generalisation to include the author of the stupidity into its range.
I imagine you wil have collected a lot of comments agreeing with you - hence one can deduce the validity of my generalisation.
One is talking smack between sports fans and is interpreted as such by anyone who does it. The other is not.
February 14, 2015 at 10:58 am
TomThomson (2/14/2015)
Eirikur Eiriksson (2/7/2015)
TomThomson (2/7/2015)
Grant Fritchey (2/5/2015)
Really? Yankees fans? Are they even human?Usually not - they're mostly American.
Tom, must say that I find this comment totally inappropriate
😎
How can it be appropriate to question whether Yankee fans are human but no to question whether Americans are human? You should recognise a pretty ordinary means of calling into question a piece of stupidity, generalisation to include the author of the stupidity into its range.
I imagine you wil have collected a lot of comments agreeing with you - hence one can deduce the validity of my generalisation.
Grant -- Are they even human?
Tom -- usually not - they're mostly American
Hence, I was offended by your answer to Grant's question.
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