July 21, 2014 at 5:43 am
SQLRNNR (7/17/2014)
Jack Corbett (7/17/2014)
Sean Lange (7/17/2014)
Sadly I will not. I need to find a way to get to one though. It is a large chunk of change for me to have to fork over, I know my company won't shell out that kind of money for me to go.
That's where volunteerism pays off. Volunteer at your local PASS Chapter (start one if you don't have one nearby) or for the Summit Program Committee and you have a good opportunity to get a decent discount on registration. Then get someone to split a room with you and it really isn't that expensive. I attended last year's Summit on my own dime and it cost me like $600 because of being a PASS volunteer & finding someone to bunk with. I also don't drink so that saves me a ton of money as well.
Winner Winner on that one.
There are some that will probably double their cost due to the amount they will drink during the week.
Good god, how much is the beer there?!
I'm a DBA.
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July 21, 2014 at 7:09 am
andrew gothard (7/21/2014)
SQLRNNR (7/17/2014)
Jack Corbett (7/17/2014)
Sean Lange (7/17/2014)
Sadly I will not. I need to find a way to get to one though. It is a large chunk of change for me to have to fork over, I know my company won't shell out that kind of money for me to go.
That's where volunteerism pays off. Volunteer at your local PASS Chapter (start one if you don't have one nearby) or for the Summit Program Committee and you have a good opportunity to get a decent discount on registration. Then get someone to split a room with you and it really isn't that expensive. I attended last year's Summit on my own dime and it cost me like $600 because of being a PASS volunteer & finding someone to bunk with. I also don't drink so that saves me a ton of money as well.
Winner Winner on that one.
There are some that will probably double their cost due to the amount they will drink during the week.
Good god, how much is the beer there?!
I think a lot of it boils down to quantity and liqueur vs. beer.
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July 21, 2014 at 12:22 pm
Lynn Pettis (7/15/2014)
I swear it feels like 3 months experience 36 times. All it takes is setting up a sandbox and working through it to solve the problem. How does he plan on supporting this if he can't even figure it out himself? Spoon feeding someone can only take them so far. At some point they have to start figuring things out themselves and ask questions when they run into more specific issues rather than questions that are so wide open.
I think this is the case with the majority of people in many jobs. They aren't learning more and more across a year or two. They get in a pattern across a few months and don't learn much more.
July 21, 2014 at 12:26 pm
TomThomson (7/16/2014)
Jack Corbett (7/16/2014)
I think encryption should be done in the app, not the database. I think Jeff mentioned it in that thread, that if encryption is happening in the database it means everything is being passed over the wire in clear text. Just something I'd rather see not happen. The only issue is if you do reporting using another tool and have to work out decrypting those values in the reporting tool (SSRS even).
Doing decryption in the database doesn't necessarily mean that stuff on the wire is in plaintext. In a lot of systems (including some outdated versions of Windows) it's possible to have an encryption layer in the comms stack immediately above transport, so that everything on the wire - even stuff not encrypted in storage - is encrypted. I don't know whether current versions of windows support this, but I imagine they do. A lot of people believe that the risk of data bing intercepted on the wire is much higher than the risk of someone gaining access to data on storage media and insist on everything being encrypted on the wire whether it's encrypted in strorage or not. And third party apps are often a nightmare from the point of view of encryption in the app. I guess encryption in the app is sometimes better than encryption in teh db, but not very often.
Could be in both. don't forget that if I encrypt in the app only, and I make another app, or want to somehow share keys across groups of people, I might create more holes. Potentially I also disclose information outside of a central location/site. I potentially also grow the number of people that might have access to keys.
At times I want encryption in the db, possibly in addition to app encryption. As Tom mentioned, I could SSL/IPSec to the db, have data inserted and encrypted there, without depending on any application to do this well.
July 21, 2014 at 12:27 pm
Steve Jones - SSC Editor (7/21/2014)
Lynn Pettis (7/15/2014)
I swear it feels like 3 months experience 36 times. All it takes is setting up a sandbox and working through it to solve the problem. How does he plan on supporting this if he can't even figure it out himself? Spoon feeding someone can only take them so far. At some point they have to start figuring things out themselves and ask questions when they run into more specific issues rather than questions that are so wide open.
I think this is the case with the majority of people in many jobs. They aren't learning more and more across a year or two. They get in a pattern across a few months and don't learn much more.
I saw a good article about this today. They talked about how "being able to get it" is an inherent thing instead of something you can learn. (i.e. either you're predisposed to understanding SQL Server or you're not) and how that's complete nonsense. As a result, many people don't try to learn or are convinced they can't. In addition, this attitude keeps companies from offering real training and development. People start to figure they know what they know and they'd better hang onto that.
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July 21, 2014 at 1:03 pm
Sean Lange (7/17/2014)
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The Dixie Flatline (7/16/2014)
Woohoo!! Done with work for the evening, and in the morning we're heading to New Orleans for a long weekend. 😀 😀 😀I would send you all beignets, but they don't travel well.
beignets - yum.
must be time to get some - sounds tasty
How about we find somewhere in Seattle for summit and get some (must be good ones tho).
In Seattle you can forget about beignets. If you want an amazing breakfast there go find Beth's cafe. I will warn you NOT to order the full omelet unless there are 2-3 of you. The half omelet is 6 eggs and comes loaded with mountains on ingredients and unlimited potatoes.
Ha! The best breakfast in Seattle is getting up early to run with us and then grabbing a bagel on the way to a session.
July 21, 2014 at 1:15 pm
GilaMonster (7/20/2014)
Conference done, vacation beginning.Can some nice people please keep an eye on corruption theads and provide useful and safe advice? I might drop in occasionally to post photos, but that'll probably be all.
Bits was awesome. Photos of that will follow once I get them cleaned up (unblured in some cases)
Enjoy!
July 21, 2014 at 1:37 pm
Steve Jones - SSC Editor (7/21/2014)
Sean Lange (7/17/2014)
SQLRNNR (7/17/2014)
The Dixie Flatline (7/16/2014)
Woohoo!! Done with work for the evening, and in the morning we're heading to New Orleans for a long weekend. 😀 😀 😀I would send you all beignets, but they don't travel well.
beignets - yum.
must be time to get some - sounds tasty
How about we find somewhere in Seattle for summit and get some (must be good ones tho).
In Seattle you can forget about beignets. If you want an amazing breakfast there go find Beth's cafe. I will warn you NOT to order the full omelet unless there are 2-3 of you. The half omelet is 6 eggs and comes loaded with mountains on ingredients and unlimited potatoes.
Ha! The best breakfast in Seattle is getting up early to run with us and then grabbing a bagel on the way to a session.
Nope I would still vote Beth's, but I would be up for a run afterwards too. 😛
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July 21, 2014 at 1:42 pm
Stefan Krzywicki (7/21/2014)
I saw a good article about this today. They talked about how "being able to get it" is an inherent thing instead of something you can learn. (i.e. either you're predisposed to understanding SQL Server or you're not) and how that's complete nonsense. As a result, many people don't try to learn or are convinced they can't. In addition, this attitude keeps companies from offering real training and development. People start to figure they know what they know and they'd better hang onto that.
I don't know if I agree with the "not getting it" with SQL Server. I do think some concepts are very hard, perhaps semi-impossible for some people. Pointers, recursion, some of these are very abstract ideas.
However I think most people don't learn because they don't need to. Not using replication (or SSIS, or Service Broker, etc), why learn it? Not in a 24x7 environment, why bother with HA? Far too many people learn what they need for a job and don't look to grow their toolset, perhaps with the intention of improving what they already have.
July 21, 2014 at 2:37 pm
Steve Jones - SSC Editor (7/21/2014)
However I think most people don't learn because they don't need to. Not using replication (or SSIS, or Service Broker, etc), why learn it? Not in a 24x7 environment, why bother with HA? Far too many people learn what they need for a job and don't look to grow their toolset, perhaps with the intention of improving what they already have.
^ I looked like this for the first 6 years of my career.
I could either dig deeper into understanding backup mechanisms and conversion techniques (I think I spent 3 years doing 2k->2k5 upgrades, and only that), or I could go off the reservation of stuff I needed and try to stuff execution plan understanding into my head.
Because it's a 'learn as you go' kind of job, usually, this is practically a required viewpoint until you have enough under your belt in the things you NEED before you start looking at the rest of it for the "Nice to have" stuff. Now, many times you go digging around in the nice to haves and kick yourself, and proceed to rewrite something that took you 3 months in 2 days now that you know the right tool (*cough* Service Broker *cough*). Now it's another 'NEED', and you learn more about that... and HADR has to wait.
I know many folks here are quite involved in making sure they have continuing education across the entire software, but I'm still in 2k8. My parent corp won't even get licenses for '12 or '14. I had to fight for the right to even create my own jobs in the dev environment for testing before I pass them up to the DBAs, and don't get SA anywhere by my (local) sandbox.
Why should I care about the new mirror techniques?
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July 22, 2014 at 4:26 am
Some bits from SQLBits
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July 22, 2014 at 8:31 am
That first one is great, Gail. And that was a great costume.
July 22, 2014 at 9:30 am
That was one of Rodney's photos (most of which are great)
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July 22, 2014 at 10:03 am
Thanks Gail!
It's mostly the camera and lens...
And that first one was taken by Roger using my camera 😀
I'll start going through them tonight, so Steve any and all with you in, I'll put to one side and email in one go.
I have requests from people in costume on the Friday night...
Rodders...
July 22, 2014 at 12:48 pm
Thanks, Rodney. No hurry for me. I'd like to get copies of mine and see all of them, but please handle any other requests before me.
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