May 20, 2014 at 3:37 pm
patrickmcginnis59 10839 (5/20/2014)
Lynn Pettis (5/20/2014)
Any one else see this?Interesting case, not a very good article, the author even tries to equate open source with public domain which is completely wrong.
i don't much care about the idiocies in the article. I agree it gets that particular point completely wrong, but I think that that's unimportant compared to the news it is delivering.
What worries me is that there's a completely loony court decision that - if it ends up being confirmed at a higher level - will leave us with the option of developing software that will never appear in the US market, require us to throw the USA out of all serious international trade and intellectual property agreements, and start trade wars of a sort that we haven't experienced much recently.
Of course in a way that's nothing much new - the US regularly refuses to follow its treaty obligations in these areas, and suggestions for severe action are getting steadily more and more common - indeed the US consistently refuses to make any attempt to rein in the lunatic behaviour of the US patent office, the utter idiocy of which must eventually lead to serious trade wars unless the US courts wake up and start to deal with the nonsense, and regularly attempts to impose its domestic laws on foreigners acting in their home country.
But I probably ought not to say such things - after all, most of the audience here are US citizens who regard anything done and accepted by the government in the USA, at least while their party is in charge, as perfectly correct.
Tom
May 20, 2014 at 3:41 pm
Steve Jones - SSC Editor (5/20/2014)
Who's getting a Surface 3? Or wants one?Up in the air on this whole thing, but I'll admit it's tempting, depending on price.
http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/news/press/2014/may14/05-20surfacepr.aspx
Why would I want to swap my 17" laptop for something with a 12" screen?
Tom
May 20, 2014 at 3:51 pm
patrickmcginnis59 10839 (5/20/2014)
Ed Wagner (5/20/2014)
patrickmcginnis59 10839 (5/20/2014)
Lynn Pettis (5/20/2014)
Any one else see this?Interesting case, not a very good article, the author even tries to equate open source with public domain which is completely wrong.
While interesting, I think it's pretty silly. In short, Oracle wants money from Google so they dreamed up something to sue them over. Just like Apple sued over zooming and over the lack of external ports on the Galaxy, the whole legal mess over some of this stuff is just wasteful. Just imagine what these companies could do if they took all the money they put into litigation and put it into innovation and development.
They didn't just dream something up, they (actually Sun) built the API and the ability to determine where the API can subsequently be used is what the case is about.
I don't recall IBM attempting to patent or copyright (for example) the string "SQRT", and feel very sure that if they had attempted to do so back in the early 50s they would have been laughed out of court. It is, I think, extremely regrettable that a cort in the USA is now taking the view that such nonsense is legally well founded.
Tom
May 21, 2014 at 5:36 am
TomThomson (5/19/2014)
Steve Jones - SSC Editor (5/19/2014)
David Burrows (5/19/2014)
SQLRNNR (5/19/2014)
Better yet, what if people just started throwing in a couple hundred pages of fiction (story form) into their SQL books?As in BOL :w00t:
I wish. BOL has been losing stuff, though it has become a mystery as I have to start guessing which category a DMV might be in to find it.
I suspect the theory is that Bing is so beautiful that the books of BOL (eg Transact-SQL Reference) no longer need an index as as well as the nested chaper structure. I guess that's a result of forgetting what a reference book is for combined with believeing teh company's own propaganda about it's seach engine :angry:.
Bing's a search engine?!
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May 21, 2014 at 6:20 am
TomThomson (5/20/2014)...
But I probably ought not to say such things - after all, most of the audience here are US citizens who regard anything done and accepted by the government in the USA, at least while their party is in charge, as perfectly correct.
I wouldn't go that far. There hasn't been a whole lot that the US government (especially the courts) have done in my adult life that I've just accepted or agreed with regardless of the party in charge.
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May 21, 2014 at 6:28 am
Jack Corbett (5/21/2014)
TomThomson (5/20/2014)...
But I probably ought not to say such things - after all, most of the audience here are US citizens who regard anything done and accepted by the government in the USA, at least while their party is in charge, as perfectly correct.
I wouldn't go that far. There hasn't been a whole lot that the US government (especially the courts) have done in my adult life that I've just accepted or agreed with regardless of the party in charge.
I agree, Jack. The decisions and spending by both parties should make people question everything. If nothing else, start with the basic question "why?" and go from there. Enough soap box for me...back to work now.
May 21, 2014 at 6:29 am
TomThomson (5/20/2014)
Steve Jones - SSC Editor (5/20/2014)
Who's getting a Surface 3? Or wants one?Up in the air on this whole thing, but I'll admit it's tempting, depending on price.
http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/news/press/2014/may14/05-20surfacepr.aspx
Why would I want to swap my 17" laptop for something with a 12" screen?
Presentations. (Easier to travel with)
Wayne
Microsoft Certified Master: SQL Server 2008
Author - SQL Server T-SQL Recipes
May 21, 2014 at 6:32 am
WayneS (5/21/2014)
TomThomson (5/20/2014)
Steve Jones - SSC Editor (5/20/2014)
Who's getting a Surface 3? Or wants one?Up in the air on this whole thing, but I'll admit it's tempting, depending on price.
http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/news/press/2014/may14/05-20surfacepr.aspx
Why would I want to swap my 17" laptop for something with a 12" screen?
Presentations. (Easier to travel with)
I'll take a 15" laptop for travelling & presentations myself.
Gail Shaw
Microsoft Certified Master: SQL Server, MVP, M.Sc (Comp Sci)
SQL In The Wild: Discussions on DB performance with occasional diversions into recoverability
May 21, 2014 at 6:51 am
TomThomson (5/20/2014)
patrickmcginnis59 10839 (5/20/2014)
Lynn Pettis (5/20/2014)
Any one else see this?Interesting case, not a very good article, the author even tries to equate open source with public domain which is completely wrong.
i don't much care about the idiocies in the article. I agree it gets that particular point completely wrong, but I think that that's unimportant compared to the news it is delivering.
I think news organizations should get someone familiar with the subject matter to report news items, especially with this one because it IS an important case!
What worries me is that there's a completely loony court decision that - if it ends up being confirmed at a higher level - will leave us with the option of developing software that will never appear in the US market, require us to throw the USA out of all serious international trade and intellectual property agreements, and start trade wars of a sort that we haven't experienced much recently.
Its not an unexpected decision however, the US has been very insistent on granting intellectual property rights as software is a significant slice of US economic life, and the api in question very well may be protected and Google might have goofed up good on this one.
Of course in a way that's nothing much new - the US regularly refuses to follow its treaty obligations in these areas, and suggestions for severe action are getting steadily more and more common - indeed the US consistently refuses to make any attempt to rein in the lunatic behaviour of the US patent office, the utter idiocy of which must eventually lead to serious trade wars unless the US courts wake up and start to deal with the nonsense, and regularly attempts to impose its domestic laws on foreigners acting in their home country.
"Computer programs are protected as literary works within the meaning of Article 2 of the Berne Convention. Such protection applies to computer programs, whatever may be the mode or form of their expression."
But I probably ought not to say such things - after all, most of the audience here are US citizens who regard anything done and accepted by the government in the USA, at least while their party is in charge, as perfectly correct.
LOL
May 23, 2014 at 2:09 am
Does anybody else feel a bit frustrated when there is no response from the OP after you post an answer to a question? I know that this is a global site and people work all kinds of hours and shifts but it would be nice to have had some kind of reply after a couple of days. Even if this reply is, 'what you suggested doesn't work. Have you got any other ideas?' That would be better than nothing. I'd like to think that the OP hasn't come back because my answer was exactly what they wanted and nothing further needed to be said, in this case a thank you would be appreciated.
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May 23, 2014 at 2:14 am
BWFC (5/23/2014)
Does anybody else feel a bit frustrated when there is no response from the OP after you post an answer to a question?
No, you get used to it.
Gail Shaw
Microsoft Certified Master: SQL Server, MVP, M.Sc (Comp Sci)
SQL In The Wild: Discussions on DB performance with occasional diversions into recoverability
May 23, 2014 at 2:21 am
Steve, can anything be done about shrills like this:
http://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/FindPost1573887.aspx
He's posting on thread after thread on damaged DBs, missing backups, etc, usually talking garbage and with links to that DB recovery software.
Gail Shaw
Microsoft Certified Master: SQL Server, MVP, M.Sc (Comp Sci)
SQL In The Wild: Discussions on DB performance with occasional diversions into recoverability
May 23, 2014 at 2:33 am
BWFC (5/23/2014)
Does anybody else feel a bit frustrated when there is no response from the OP after you post an answer to a question? I know that this is a global site and people work all kinds of hours and shifts but it would be nice to have had some kind of reply after a couple of days. Even if this reply is, 'what you suggested doesn't work. Have you got any other ideas?' That would be better than nothing. I'd like to think that the OP hasn't come back because my answer was exactly what they wanted and nothing further needed to be said, in this case a thank you would be appreciated.
It is frustrating, but a sad part of our daily routines here at SSC 🙂
Fortunately there is also a number of OPs who communicate their gratitude, and that makes it all worthwhile.
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May 23, 2014 at 5:09 am
Koen Verbeeck (5/23/2014)
BWFC (5/23/2014)
Does anybody else feel a bit frustrated when there is no response from the OP after you post an answer to a question? I know that this is a global site and people work all kinds of hours and shifts but it would be nice to have had some kind of reply after a couple of days. Even if this reply is, 'what you suggested doesn't work. Have you got any other ideas?' That would be better than nothing. I'd like to think that the OP hasn't come back because my answer was exactly what they wanted and nothing further needed to be said, in this case a thank you would be appreciated.It is frustrating, but a sad part of our daily routines here at SSC 🙂
Fortunately there is also a number of OPs who communicate their gratitude, and that makes it all worthwhile.
I agree completely. I find I also learn a lot by reading the solutions others have posted. There's some interesting stuff out there I haven't played with at all.
May 23, 2014 at 5:42 am
Ed Wagner (5/23/2014)
Koen Verbeeck (5/23/2014)
BWFC (5/23/2014)
Does anybody else feel a bit frustrated when there is no response from the OP after you post an answer to a question? I know that this is a global site and people work all kinds of hours and shifts but it would be nice to have had some kind of reply after a couple of days. Even if this reply is, 'what you suggested doesn't work. Have you got any other ideas?' That would be better than nothing. I'd like to think that the OP hasn't come back because my answer was exactly what they wanted and nothing further needed to be said, in this case a thank you would be appreciated.It is frustrating, but a sad part of our daily routines here at SSC 🙂
Fortunately there is also a number of OPs who communicate their gratitude, and that makes it all worthwhile.
I agree completely. I find I also learn a lot by reading the solutions others have posted. There's some interesting stuff out there I haven't played with at all.
I suppose it's because I'm only now becoming confident enough to answer questions posed by others that I find it a bit frustrating when I don't get a reply. It would be good to have somebody say 'it worked, thank you' so I know I was right. Equally, if it didn't work I'd be able to go back and look again at what I did.
Ed, you are definitely right about the other answers. Every day I see things that I want to explore.
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