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paul.knibbs SSCoach Points: 15320 More actions · Answer 1

Well, it's not a totally unreasonable position, so long as you actually know what you're talking about...

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paul.knibbs (3/26/2014)
Well, it's not a totally unreasonable position, so long as you actually know what you're talking about...

Maybe. I mean, the organization I was with is still using SQL Server, 15 years on. So we shouldn't use all the stuff that SQL offers that's outside the ANSI standard so we can switch, even though we're not switching and all that stuff that's outside the ANSI standard could really speed things up or make things work better? That's an odd stance. Just sayin'.

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Koen Verbeeck SSC Guru Points: 259105 More actions · Answer 3

paul.knibbs (3/26/2014)
Well, it's not a totally unreasonable position, so long as you actually know what you're talking about...

Are any of the Hekaton/columnstore features part of the ANSI standard?

It would seem hard to believe they do.

So you can't use any of the performance benefits because it is not "standard"?

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paul.knibbs SSCoach Points: 15320 More actions · Answer 4

Seems I should clarify: I said it wasn't a totally unreasonable position, not that it was a position I agreed with. Wanting cross-compatibility between different database platforms is something that might be needed, even if not for the particular example cited.

Koen Verbeeck SSC Guru Points: 259105 More actions · Answer 5

paul.knibbs (3/26/2014)
Seems I should clarify: I said it wasn't a totally unreasonable position, not that it was a position I agreed with. Wanting cross-compatibility between different database platforms is something that might be needed, even if not for the particular example cited.

I'm not arguing against you, but against Celko-alike people 🙂

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Grant Fritchey SSC Guru Points: 398881 More actions · Answer 6

paul.knibbs (3/26/2014)
Seems I should clarify: I said it wasn't a totally unreasonable position, not that it was a position I agreed with. Wanting cross-compatibility between different database platforms is something that might be needed, even if not for the particular example cited.

Yeah, if cross-platform compatibility is needed, this may be something desirable. I agree. But for most systems, I couldn't support it.

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Ed Wagner SSC Guru Points: 287026 More actions · Answer 7

Grant Fritchey (3/26/2014)
paul.knibbs (3/26/2014)
Seems I should clarify: I said it wasn't a totally unreasonable position, not that it was a position I agreed with. Wanting cross-compatibility between different database platforms is something that might be needed, even if not for the particular example cited.
Yeah, if cross-platform compatibility is needed, this may be something desirable. I agree. But for most systems, I couldn't support it.

I couldn't either. Cursors in SQL Server are pathetically slow, but in Oracle they're blazing fast. Date handling in the two platforms is so completely different that they don't even resemble one another. Besides, if you want any performance at all, you'll use all the tools available to you unless they're going to be deprecated.

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andrew gothard SSChampion Points: 12314 More actions · Answer 8

Otherwise how can you nimbly shift between different platforms." And then he got vehement about it. It was fun.

If they think THAT is a good idea, that's a "Thank you for your time" right there

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WayneS SSC Guru Points: 95460 More actions · Answer 9

SQLRNNR (3/25/2014)
Grant Fritchey (3/25/2014)
He got vehement about it. It was fun.
I can imagine the fun that could be had. :ermm:

It could even be scary...

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SQLRNNR SSC Guru Points: 281334 More actions · Answer 10

WayneS (3/26/2014)
SQLRNNR (3/25/2014)
Grant Fritchey (3/25/2014)
He got vehement about it. It was fun.
I can imagine the fun that could be had. :ermm:
It could even be scary...

Don't poke the bear. Or in this case, it could be fun to poke the bear.:-D

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Steve Jones - SSC Editor SSC Guru Points: 736160 More actions · Answer 11

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Jeff Moden SSC Guru Points: 1004312 More actions · Answer 12

Ed Wagner (3/26/2014)
Cursors in SQL Server are pathetically slow, but in Oracle they're blazing fast.

I guess I wouldn't say such a thing... I worked in Oracle for about 3 years and I have to tell you that I was able to write some set based code in Oracle that made Oracle cursors seem pretty pathetic even when compared to SQL Server.

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rodjkidd SSCoach Points: 15915 More actions · Answer 13

So SQL Bits session voting has opened, I've picked my 10 which out of nearly 300 submitted was tough. Good luck to anyone who has submitted from the Thread.

Rodders...

Gail Shaw SSC Guru Points: 1004504 More actions · Answer 14

That's a hell of a lot of sessions submitted...

p.s. did you get the bribe I sent? :hehe:

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Koen Verbeeck SSC Guru Points: 259105 More actions · Answer 15

GilaMonster (3/27/2014)
That's a hell of a lot of sessions submitted...
p.s. did you get the bribe I sent? :hehe:

No. Can you please resend it? 😀

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