February 6, 2014 at 11:50 pm
Steve Jones - SSC Editor (2/6/2014)
However, this way they can give feedback that something worked. We are talking about how to best get other info from the "crowd" on posts.
As long as this doesn't turn SSC into a dictatorship like at StackOverflow, where some arrogant twats decide everything.
(I may be overreacting a bit 🙂
I like the MSDN model, where the OP or admins mark a post as answered, but the crowd can upvote a post or propose a reply as an answer.
Need an answer? No, you need a question
My blog at https://sqlkover.com.
MCSE Business Intelligence - Microsoft Data Platform MVP
February 7, 2014 at 12:36 am
Koen Verbeeck (2/6/2014)
Steve Jones - SSC Editor (2/6/2014)
However, this way they can give feedback that something worked. We are talking about how to best get other info from the "crowd" on posts.As long as this doesn't turn SSC into a dictatorship like at StackOverflow, where some arrogant twats decide everything.
(I may be overreacting a bit 🙂
I like the MSDN model, where the OP or admins mark a post as answered, but the crowd can upvote a post or propose a reply as an answer.
I don't believe you're overreacting. I've had experiences there and on ASK SSC where they closed a really interesting thread or two that had some really bad answers because it didn't fit their model for not having discussions. That's why I simply avoid both most of the time now.
I like the MSDN model for the very reason you state.
--Jeff Moden
Change is inevitable... Change for the better is not.
February 7, 2014 at 1:18 am
Jeff Moden (2/7/2014)
Koen Verbeeck (2/6/2014)
Steve Jones - SSC Editor (2/6/2014)
However, this way they can give feedback that something worked. We are talking about how to best get other info from the "crowd" on posts.As long as this doesn't turn SSC into a dictatorship like at StackOverflow, where some arrogant twats decide everything.
(I may be overreacting a bit 🙂
I like the MSDN model, where the OP or admins mark a post as answered, but the crowd can upvote a post or propose a reply as an answer.
I don't believe you're overreacting. I've had experiences there and on ASK SSC where they closed a really interesting thread or two that had some really bad answers because it didn't fit their model for not having discussions. That's why I simply avoid both most of the time now.
I like the MSDN model for the very reason you state.
I've posted, and seen, a few questions now, where I've learned as much from the discussion they've provoked as I have from having my original request answered. I've also had the same questions closed in other places because they didn't fit the accepted structures. It seems many sites don't seem to like 'it depends' as an answer and much prefer black and white 'do it like this' responses. I've used at least one of the subsequent answers to a question, after the one that solved my original problem, to do something else further down the line.
I do agree that I'm not in a position to say what is the best answer, but I can say what worked or not and that is what the button says.
How to post a question to get the most help http://www.sqlservercentral.com/articles/Best+Practices/61537
February 7, 2014 at 1:27 am
Steve Jones - SSC Editor (2/6/2014)
However, this way they can give feedback that something worked. We are talking about how to best get other info from the "crowd" on posts.
So when does this new "crowd approved" button get added to The Thread?
My thought question: Have you ever been told that your query runs too fast?
My advice:
INDEXing a poor-performing query is like putting sugar on cat food. Yeah, it probably tastes better but are you sure you want to eat it?
The path of least resistance can be a slippery slope. Take care that fixing your fixes of fixes doesn't snowball and end up costing you more than fixing the root cause would have in the first place.
Need to UNPIVOT? Why not CROSS APPLY VALUES instead?[/url]
Since random numbers are too important to be left to chance, let's generate some![/url]
Learn to understand recursive CTEs by example.[/url]
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February 7, 2014 at 2:28 am
dwain.c (2/7/2014)
Steve Jones - SSC Editor (2/6/2014)
However, this way they can give feedback that something worked. We are talking about how to best get other info from the "crowd" on posts.So when does this new "crowd approved" button get added to The Thread?
Hopefully never, it might just crash the entire universe.
Need an answer? No, you need a question
My blog at https://sqlkover.com.
MCSE Business Intelligence - Microsoft Data Platform MVP
February 7, 2014 at 2:47 am
Jeff Moden (2/7/2014)
Koen Verbeeck (2/6/2014)
Steve Jones - SSC Editor (2/6/2014)
However, this way they can give feedback that something worked. We are talking about how to best get other info from the "crowd" on posts.As long as this doesn't turn SSC into a dictatorship like at StackOverflow, where some arrogant twats decide everything.
(I may be overreacting a bit 🙂
I like the MSDN model, where the OP or admins mark a post as answered, but the crowd can upvote a post or propose a reply as an answer.
I don't believe you're overreacting. I've had experiences there and on ASK SSC where they closed a really interesting thread or two that had some really bad answers because it didn't fit their model for not having discussions. That's why I simply avoid both most of the time now.
I like the MSDN model for the very reason you state.
The only problem with MSDN are some of its moderators.
An example that is causing a bit of a Twitter riot right now:
Need an answer? No, you need a question
My blog at https://sqlkover.com.
MCSE Business Intelligence - Microsoft Data Platform MVP
February 7, 2014 at 5:45 am
I like the new "mark as answer" functionality. The green threw me at first, but it sure did draw attention to the post, which is the intent. I was relieved to see that the code blocks kept the white background. Having SQL code against the green background would have been rough. There sure is a lot of green on Sean's thread. Maybe it would be better to just make the background green on the header of the post. Then again, I have only one voice of many and I'm not even sure how it would look. Maybe it's distracting because it's still new. Either way, nice job on new functionality.
February 7, 2014 at 6:05 am
Koen Verbeeck (2/7/2014)
Jeff Moden (2/7/2014)
Koen Verbeeck (2/6/2014)
Steve Jones - SSC Editor (2/6/2014)
However, this way they can give feedback that something worked. We are talking about how to best get other info from the "crowd" on posts.As long as this doesn't turn SSC into a dictatorship like at StackOverflow, where some arrogant twats decide everything.
(I may be overreacting a bit 🙂
I like the MSDN model, where the OP or admins mark a post as answered, but the crowd can upvote a post or propose a reply as an answer.
I don't believe you're overreacting. I've had experiences there and on ASK SSC where they closed a really interesting thread or two that had some really bad answers because it didn't fit their model for not having discussions. That's why I simply avoid both most of the time now.
I like the MSDN model for the very reason you state.
The only problem with MSDN are some of its moderators.
An example that is causing a bit of a Twitter riot right now:
I've seen similar behavior over on the Technet forums as well. Mod posts a reply (which may or may not be anything that could be considered an answer) then a short while later that post is marked as the answer by the mod. One solution, and not sure how much work it would be to implement (here or Technet / MSDN) would be not allowing people (especially Mods) to mark their own post as an answer. Sure, you'd get some that are an answer, and never get marked because the OP never bothered, but it's not like it's a paid gig based on how many marked answers you've got...
February 7, 2014 at 6:35 am
jasona.work (2/7/2014)
Koen Verbeeck (2/7/2014)
Jeff Moden (2/7/2014)
Koen Verbeeck (2/6/2014)
Steve Jones - SSC Editor (2/6/2014)
However, this way they can give feedback that something worked. We are talking about how to best get other info from the "crowd" on posts.As long as this doesn't turn SSC into a dictatorship like at StackOverflow, where some arrogant twats decide everything.
(I may be overreacting a bit 🙂
I like the MSDN model, where the OP or admins mark a post as answered, but the crowd can upvote a post or propose a reply as an answer.
I don't believe you're overreacting. I've had experiences there and on ASK SSC where they closed a really interesting thread or two that had some really bad answers because it didn't fit their model for not having discussions. That's why I simply avoid both most of the time now.
I like the MSDN model for the very reason you state.
The only problem with MSDN are some of its moderators.
An example that is causing a bit of a Twitter riot right now:
I've seen similar behavior over on the Technet forums as well. Mod posts a reply (which may or may not be anything that could be considered an answer) then a short while later that post is marked as the answer by the mod. One solution, and not sure how much work it would be to implement (here or Technet / MSDN) would be not allowing people (especially Mods) to mark their own post as an answer. Sure, you'd get some that are an answer, and never get marked because the OP never bothered, but it's not like it's a paid gig based on how many marked answers you've got...
After seeing some of the "answers" on the MS forums, I don't use them at all. There are more non-answers and answers that don't actually say anything that get marked as an answer there that it looks like an exercise in frustration. However, I never even considered the possibility that people would get paid based on how many things get marked as an answer before. It makes sense. Now the quality issue is all becoming clear... 😉
That's one thing I really enjoy about SSC. The people here aren't paid to answer questions. We do it because we enjoy doing it, which improves the quality of the answers.
February 7, 2014 at 6:43 am
Ed Wagner (2/7/2014)
That's one thing I really enjoy about SSC. The people here aren't paid to answer questions. We do it because we enjoy doing it, which improves the quality of the answers.
You only get paid here if you're above 10,000 points.
Need an answer? No, you need a question
My blog at https://sqlkover.com.
MCSE Business Intelligence - Microsoft Data Platform MVP
February 7, 2014 at 7:09 am
Koen Verbeeck (2/7/2014)
Ed Wagner (2/7/2014)
That's one thing I really enjoy about SSC. The people here aren't paid to answer questions. We do it because we enjoy doing it, which improves the quality of the answers.You only get paid here if you're above 10,000 points.
Heh... I'm very happy that's not actually true.
--Jeff Moden
Change is inevitable... Change for the better is not.
February 7, 2014 at 7:12 am
Koen Verbeeck (2/7/2014)
Ed Wagner (2/7/2014)
That's one thing I really enjoy about SSC. The people here aren't paid to answer questions. We do it because we enjoy doing it, which improves the quality of the answers.You only get paid here if you're above 10,000 points.
Paid in T-shirts.
Gail Shaw
Microsoft Certified Master: SQL Server, MVP, M.Sc (Comp Sci)
SQL In The Wild: Discussions on DB performance with occasional diversions into recoverability
February 7, 2014 at 7:17 am
GilaMonster (2/7/2014)
Koen Verbeeck (2/7/2014)
Ed Wagner (2/7/2014)
That's one thing I really enjoy about SSC. The people here aren't paid to answer questions. We do it because we enjoy doing it, which improves the quality of the answers.You only get paid here if you're above 10,000 points.
Paid in T-shirts.
I don't have a T-shirt...
Need an answer? No, you need a question
My blog at https://sqlkover.com.
MCSE Business Intelligence - Microsoft Data Platform MVP
February 7, 2014 at 7:19 am
Koen Verbeeck (2/7/2014)
GilaMonster (2/7/2014)
Koen Verbeeck (2/7/2014)
Ed Wagner (2/7/2014)
That's one thing I really enjoy about SSC. The people here aren't paid to answer questions. We do it because we enjoy doing it, which improves the quality of the answers.You only get paid here if you're above 10,000 points.
Paid in T-shirts.
I don't have a T-shirt...
Neither do I. We should complain to management.
Gail Shaw
Microsoft Certified Master: SQL Server, MVP, M.Sc (Comp Sci)
SQL In The Wild: Discussions on DB performance with occasional diversions into recoverability
February 7, 2014 at 7:21 am
Koen Verbeeck (2/7/2014)
GilaMonster (2/7/2014)
Koen Verbeeck (2/7/2014)
Ed Wagner (2/7/2014)
That's one thing I really enjoy about SSC. The people here aren't paid to answer questions. We do it because we enjoy doing it, which improves the quality of the answers.You only get paid here if you're above 10,000 points.
Paid in T-shirts.
I don't have a T-shirt...
Whoa, wait. Hang on. T-shirt(s) with a plural? I haven't even received one. I demand my back pay.
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