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Greg Edwards-268690 SSC-Insane Points: 20680 More actions · Answer 1

If you are ever in Edina MN, you might want a tour.

Spendy, but that in a nutshell is what it is describing.

You buy it by the rack (of like 10 servers), and it is modular.

Maybe there's one closer to you.

Gail Shaw SSC Guru Points: 1004504 More actions · Answer 2

Sometimes I wonder if people really want help.

"Sample data please"

"I don't see the point" "It won't be of any benefit"

"Expected results please"

"It's not going to help"

Gail Shaw
Microsoft Certified Master: SQL Server, MVP, M.Sc (Comp Sci)
SQL In The Wild: Discussions on DB performance with occasional diversions into recoverability

We walk in the dark places no others will enter
We stand on the bridge and no one may pass

Revenant SSC-Forever Points: 42467 More actions · Answer 3

Greg Edwards-268690 (1/27/2014)
If you are ever in Edina MN, you might want a tour.
. . .

If you come to WA, you might want to have a tour if the Quincy computing facility. I think I can get you one.

(Although, believe me, it is boring. Rack servers? If you saw one, you have seen 'em all. Better to spend your time touring of one of the most excellent local breweries of wineries.)

Revenant SSC-Forever Points: 42467 More actions · Answer 4

GilaMonster (1/27/2014)
Sometimes I wonder if people really want help.
"Sample data please"
"I don't see the point" "It won't be of any benefit"
"Expected results please"
"It's not going to help"

Yes, they do. They just do not how to ask. Which is of course their problem, but I still feel compelled to help.

edit: heir > their problem

Jeff Moden SSC Guru Points: 1004312 More actions · Answer 5

GilaMonster (1/27/2014)
Sometimes I wonder if people really want help.
"Sample data please"
"I don't see the point" "It won't be of any benefit"
"Expected results please"
"It's not going to help"

The person that I think you're talking about has certainly been around long enough to know better and has asked other people to post data in the past. That makes it even more frustrating. Even after he finally caved in and posted data, it didn't match the original problem posted.

There have been times where I've wanted to type "No problem. Moving on." So far, I've been able to suppress that urge but it is getting old.

--Jeff Moden

RBAR is pronounced "ree-bar" and is a "Modenism" for Row-By-Agonizing-Row.
First step towards the paradigm shift of writing Set Based code:
________Stop thinking about what you want to do to a ROW... think, instead, of what you want to do to a COLUMN.

Change is inevitable... Change for the better is not.

Helpful Links:
How to post code problems
How to Post Performance Problems
Create a Tally Function (fnTally)

Jeff Moden SSC Guru Points: 1004312 More actions · Answer 6

Revenant (1/27/2014)
GilaMonster (1/27/2014)
Sometimes I wonder if people really want help.
"Sample data please"
"I don't see the point" "It won't be of any benefit"
"Expected results please"
"It's not going to help"
Yes, they do. They just do not how to ask. Which is of course their problem, but I still feel compelled to help.
edit: heir > their problem

The person in the incident that I think Gail is talking about has been around for a very long time and has, himself, asked people to post data. That, notwithstanding, the article that most of us point people to explains all of the reasons to post readily consumable data. The hard part is getting them to actually read the article to begin with. I can understand that because they're normally in a panic when they post, want instant gratification, and don't see the benefit of looking at the article. Like I said, though, it is getting old and since I don't like to post untested coded solutions, I sometimes just silently move on to help someone that has taken the time to help me help them.

--Jeff Moden

RBAR is pronounced "ree-bar" and is a "Modenism" for Row-By-Agonizing-Row.
First step towards the paradigm shift of writing Set Based code:
________Stop thinking about what you want to do to a ROW... think, instead, of what you want to do to a COLUMN.

Change is inevitable... Change for the better is not.

Helpful Links:
How to post code problems
How to Post Performance Problems
Create a Tally Function (fnTally)

Revenant SSC-Forever Points: 42467 More actions · Answer 7

Jeff Moden (1/27/2014)
Revenant (1/27/2014)
GilaMonster (1/27/2014)
Sometimes I wonder if people really want help.
"Sample data please"
"I don't see the point" "It won't be of any benefit"
"Expected results please"
"It's not going to help"
Yes, they do. They just do not how to ask. Which is of course their problem, but I still feel compelled to help.
edit: heir > their problem
The person in the incident that I think Gail is talking about has been around for a very long time and has, himself, asked people to post data. That, notwithstanding, the article that most of us point people to explains all of the reasons to post readily consumable data. The hard part is getting them to actually read the article to begin with. I can understand that because they're normally in a panic when they post, want instant gratification, and don't see the benefit of looking at the article. Like I said, though, it is getting old and since I don't like to post untested coded solutions, I sometimes just silently move on to help someone that has taken the time to help me help them.

My point, exactly, Jeff.

You just cannot help people who are not ready to be helped.

Greg Edwards-268690 SSC-Insane Points: 20680 More actions · Answer 8

Revenant (1/27/2014)
Greg Edwards-268690 (1/27/2014)
If you are ever in Edina MN, you might want a tour.
. . .
If you come to WA, you might want to have a tour if the Quincy computing facility. I think I can get you one.
(Although, believe me, it is boring. Rack servers? If you saw one, you have seen 'em all. Better to spend your time touring of one of the most excellent local breweries of wineries.)

I will keep that in mind - ever get to Tacoma?

The Tech Center talks about the technology. So yes, racks of servers behind glass is boring.

Local Brew Pubs are always something I seek out when traveling.

Castle Danger[/url] is one that I checked out this summer.

Greg Edwards-268690 SSC-Insane Points: 20680 More actions · Answer 9

Revenant (1/27/2014)
Jeff Moden (1/27/2014)
Revenant (1/27/2014)
GilaMonster (1/27/2014)
Sometimes I wonder if people really want help.
"Sample data please"
"I don't see the point" "It won't be of any benefit"
"Expected results please"
"It's not going to help"
Yes, they do. They just do not how to ask. Which is of course their problem, but I still feel compelled to help.
edit: heir > their problem
The person in the incident that I think Gail is talking about has been around for a very long time and has, himself, asked people to post data. That, notwithstanding, the article that most of us point people to explains all of the reasons to post readily consumable data. The hard part is getting them to actually read the article to begin with. I can understand that because they're normally in a panic when they post, want instant gratification, and don't see the benefit of looking at the article. Like I said, though, it is getting old and since I don't like to post untested coded solutions, I sometimes just silently move on to help someone that has taken the time to help me help them.
My point, exactly, Jeff.
You just cannot help people who are not ready to be helped.

Jeff's point about posting tested solutions says volumes.

Posting data gets everyone on the same page much quicker.

I like to say sometimes slower is indeed faster.

Not everyone gets paid for rework - sometimes it just gets added to the plate.

Ed Wagner SSC Guru Points: 287026 More actions · Answer 10

Greg Edwards-268690 (1/28/2014)
Revenant (1/27/2014)
Jeff Moden (1/27/2014)
Revenant (1/27/2014)
GilaMonster (1/27/2014)
Sometimes I wonder if people really want help.
"Sample data please"
"I don't see the point" "It won't be of any benefit"
"Expected results please"
"It's not going to help"
Yes, they do. They just do not how to ask. Which is of course their problem, but I still feel compelled to help.
edit: heir > their problem
The person in the incident that I think Gail is talking about has been around for a very long time and has, himself, asked people to post data. That, notwithstanding, the article that most of us point people to explains all of the reasons to post readily consumable data. The hard part is getting them to actually read the article to begin with. I can understand that because they're normally in a panic when they post, want instant gratification, and don't see the benefit of looking at the article. Like I said, though, it is getting old and since I don't like to post untested coded solutions, I sometimes just silently move on to help someone that has taken the time to help me help them.
My point, exactly, Jeff.
You just cannot help people who are not ready to be helped.
Jeff's point about posting tested solutions says volumes.
Posting data gets everyone on the same page much quicker.
I like to say sometimes slower is indeed faster.
Not everyone gets paid for rework - sometimes it just gets added to the plate.

Posting data also helps to clarify the question and lets people recreate the problem. Without knowing the question, we don't know what to answer. Without being able to recreate the problem, we can't test anything. If a question is asked well, it has a better chance of being answered well.

Tally Tables - Performance Personified
String Splitting with True Performance
Best practices on how to ask questions

Gail Shaw SSC Guru Points: 1004504 More actions · Answer 11

Anyone got time and enthusiasm? (running low on the latter and it's almost time to go home)

A trigger that doesn't work: http://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic1532595-1292-1.aspx

An IF statement that, well, ... http://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic1535345-1291-1.aspx

Gail Shaw
Microsoft Certified Master: SQL Server, MVP, M.Sc (Comp Sci)
SQL In The Wild: Discussions on DB performance with occasional diversions into recoverability

We walk in the dark places no others will enter
We stand on the bridge and no one may pass

Greg Edwards-268690 SSC-Insane Points: 20680 More actions · Answer 12

GilaMonster (1/28/2014)
Anyone got time and enthusiasm? (running low on the latter and it's almost time to go home)
A trigger that doesn't work: http://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic1532595-1292-1.aspx
An IF statement that, well, ... http://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic1535345-1291-1.aspx

Crystal Ball might be needed.....

Ed Wagner SSC Guru Points: 287026 More actions · Answer 13

Greg Edwards-268690 (1/28/2014)
GilaMonster (1/28/2014)
Anyone got time and enthusiasm? (running low on the latter and it's almost time to go home)
A trigger that doesn't work: http://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic1532595-1292-1.aspx
An IF statement that, well, ... http://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic1535345-1291-1.aspx
Crystal Ball might be needed.....

And we wonder why databases are slow.

Tally Tables - Performance Personified
String Splitting with True Performance
Best practices on how to ask questions

Gail Shaw SSC Guru Points: 1004504 More actions · Answer 14

Greg Edwards-268690 (1/28/2014)
GilaMonster (1/28/2014)
Anyone got time and enthusiasm? (running low on the latter and it's almost time to go home)
A trigger that doesn't work: http://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic1532595-1292-1.aspx
An IF statement that, well, ... http://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic1535345-1291-1.aspx
Crystal Ball might be needed.....

Grant has it.

Gail Shaw
Microsoft Certified Master: SQL Server, MVP, M.Sc (Comp Sci)
SQL In The Wild: Discussions on DB performance with occasional diversions into recoverability

We walk in the dark places no others will enter
We stand on the bridge and no one may pass

Greg Edwards-268690 SSC-Insane Points: 20680 More actions · Answer 15

GilaMonster (1/28/2014)
Greg Edwards-268690 (1/28/2014)
GilaMonster (1/28/2014)
Anyone got time and enthusiasm? (running low on the latter and it's almost time to go home)
A trigger that doesn't work: http://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic1532595-1292-1.aspx
An IF statement that, well, ... http://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic1535345-1291-1.aspx
Crystal Ball might be needed.....
Grant has it.

And it must be screaming STAY AWAY! 😀