November 23, 2013 at 3:01 pm
LutzM (11/23/2013)
Lynn, I'd say give it a try and talk to them. Figure out what they're looking for and go from there.At least you'll know if they're really looking for Superman or if they just did throw in all the Tech words they know of to get as much candidates as possible (sometimes leading to the exact opposite though...).
Specificaly ask where the major work ist, DB or App and what database Systems they're running (I truly hope for that company they don't have all that stuff running...)
We had SQL Server, DB2, Sybase, and Oracle. But we moved the application from Oracle to SQL Server. And DB2 was for the ERP System, and moved to SQL Server for Data Warehouse.
And the Sybase was just for the phone system, and it was just a data source for reports.
Sometimes they may make it sound like you need to know everything, but as Lutz mentions, see if you can have them narrow down to the real focus.
Yes - over inflated resumes seem to have a counter part in over inflated job requirements / descriptions.
I would think they may attract each other, but may have some of the best candidates turned off.
If it is real, it could be a real mess to walk into.
I have a hard time remembering using actual ASP for a web page, or compiling a VB6 exe.....
November 23, 2013 at 3:22 pm
Greg Edwards-268690 (11/23/2013)
LutzM (11/23/2013)
Lynn, I'd say give it a try and talk to them. Figure out what they're looking for and go from there.At least you'll know if they're really looking for Superman or if they just did throw in all the Tech words they know of to get as much candidates as possible (sometimes leading to the exact opposite though...).
Specificaly ask where the major work ist, DB or App and what database Systems they're running (I truly hope for that company they don't have all that stuff running...)
We had SQL Server, DB2, Sybase, and Oracle. But we moved the application from Oracle to SQL Server. And DB2 was for the ERP System, and moved to SQL Server for Data Warehouse.
And the Sybase was just for the phone system, and it was just a data source for reports.
Sometimes they may make it sound like you need to know everything, but as Lutz mentions, see if you can have them narrow down to the real focus.
Yes - over inflated resumes seem to have a counter part in over inflated job requirements / descriptions.
I would think they may attract each other, but may have some of the best candidates turned off.
If it is real, it could be a real mess to walk into.
I have a hard time remembering using actual ASP for a web page, or compiling a VB6 exe.....
About three years ago I was interviewed on extremely subtle aspects of high-performance C# computing for a job that turned out to be writing deployment scripts for Visual Studio.
Ever since I am rather skeptical about "job requirements."
Lynn, I am your character and knowledge reference: I have lots of that s**t on my resume.
November 23, 2013 at 3:51 pm
Greg Edwards-268690 (11/23/2013)
We had SQL Server, DB2, Sybase, and Oracle. But we moved the application from Oracle to SQL Server. And DB2 was for the ERP System, and moved to SQL Server for Data Warehouse.
And the Sybase was just for the phone system, and it was just a data source for reports.
Sometimes they may make it sound like you need to know everything, but as Lutz mentions, see if you can have them narrow down to the real focus.
Yes - over inflated resumes seem to have a counter part in over inflated job requirements / descriptions.
I would think they may attract each other, but may have some of the best candidates turned off.
If it is real, it could be a real mess to walk into.
I have a hard time remembering using actual ASP for a web page, or compiling a VB6 exe.....
Did you have a single person to manage all those database systems (as it is "requested" here)? I guess not. And that's my point: if they'd have all that stuff sitting around they'd probably have more than just a single person taking care of it...
November 23, 2013 at 4:19 pm
LutzM (11/23/2013)
Greg Edwards-268690 (11/23/2013)
We had SQL Server, DB2, Sybase, and Oracle. But we moved the application from Oracle to SQL Server. And DB2 was for the ERP System, and moved to SQL Server for Data Warehouse.
And the Sybase was just for the phone system, and it was just a data source for reports.
Sometimes they may make it sound like you need to know everything, but as Lutz mentions, see if you can have them narrow down to the real focus.
Yes - over inflated resumes seem to have a counter part in over inflated job requirements / descriptions.
I would think they may attract each other, but may have some of the best candidates turned off.
If it is real, it could be a real mess to walk into.
I have a hard time remembering using actual ASP for a web page, or compiling a VB6 exe.....
Did you have a single person to manage all those database systems (as it is "requested" here)? I guess not. And that's my point: if they'd have all that stuff sitting around they'd probably have more than just a single person taking care of it...
Lutz, do you grok the American expression 'a fishing expedition'? 😉
November 23, 2013 at 4:51 pm
Ed Wagner (11/22/2013)
I never had the "pleasure" of working with either of those IBM products, but I've been forced to work with other ones. If they're any judge, it's a wonder the company is still in business.
That sounds as if you worked with DB2 and SNA. Or did they have another two that bad?
Tom
November 23, 2013 at 4:58 pm
Stefan Krzywicki (11/22/2013)
Lynn Pettis (11/22/2013)
Well, doing the job search thing is tedious. Thinking about applying for this position but pretty sure I only meet half the requirements. I think this company is either looking for Superman or actually needs at least two people to fulfill the requirements:About The Position
We are currently seeking a dynamic Database Programmer Analyst III to join our team at our office in Colorado Springs, Colorado. The Database Programmer Analyst III will provide technical leadership in the advancement of application and reporting systems at ValueOptions, Colorado.
Position Responsibilities
Will adhere to solid SDLC principles and practices for software delivery and support.
Subscribe to a methodology that includes, but is not limited to, requirements gathering, analysis and design, coding and testing, documentation, implementation and support.
Assess, prioritize and delegate development tasks, activities and deliverables.
Must be a mentor to other staff members and be a strong customer advocate.
Will see the big picture, and develop implementation plans accordingly.
Education
Bachelor's degree in computer science.
Relevant Work Experience
Eight to ten years database programming experience using two or more of the following databases; MS SQL Server, Oracle, Sybase, Informix, DB2. Ten years using two or more of the following programming languages, including associated IDE's and development tools; Perl, ColdFusion, Java, C++, Visual basic, ASP. Eight+ years in the following web technologies; ColdFusion, ASP, Apache, IIS, html, CGI, TCP/IP, ODBC, Java Script. XML experience is a plus, but not necessary. 10-12 years of software development leading to a senior software developer position.
Knowledge, Skills & Abilities
Application reengineering to include database upgrades and conversion.
Application and database troubleshooting
Developed and supported n-tier architectures
EDI and health Care a plus, especially knowledge of ANSI X12 v5010 standards (837s, 834s, 820s, 999s, 277s, etc.)
Organize and prioritize tasks and deliverables
Adaptable to new technologies and IT practices
The company isn't sure what it is looking for and threw in all the tech words they've heard. Why in the world would you be looking for someone that knows Perl, ColdFusion, Java, VB and ASP? They're trying to throw a wide net because they know they need some things done, but haven't narrowed down what.
I find it a little amusing that they apparently think ASP is a programming language. I did all my ASP programming in JavaScript, an excellent programming language which they appear to think is a Web Technology.
I imagin Lynne could run rings around whoever wrote non-database part of that job description.
Tom
November 23, 2013 at 5:12 pm
LutzM (11/23/2013)
Greg Edwards-268690 (11/23/2013)
We had SQL Server, DB2, Sybase, and Oracle. But we moved the application from Oracle to SQL Server. And DB2 was for the ERP System, and moved to SQL Server for Data Warehouse.
And the Sybase was just for the phone system, and it was just a data source for reports.
Sometimes they may make it sound like you need to know everything, but as Lutz mentions, see if you can have them narrow down to the real focus.
Yes - over inflated resumes seem to have a counter part in over inflated job requirements / descriptions.
I would think they may attract each other, but may have some of the best candidates turned off.
If it is real, it could be a real mess to walk into.
I have a hard time remembering using actual ASP for a web page, or compiling a VB6 exe.....
Did you have a single person to manage all those database systems (as it is "requested" here)? I guess not. And that's my point: if they'd have all that stuff sitting around they'd probably have more than just a single person taking care of it...
More than 1 person, although a couple of us did work on 2 platforms.
Apache and IIS did not cross paths at all. You did one or the other.
So you were pretty much .Net or Java for developer skills.
November 23, 2013 at 5:14 pm
Greg Edwards-268690 (11/23/2013)
LutzM (11/23/2013)
Greg Edwards-268690 (11/23/2013)
We had SQL Server, DB2, Sybase, and Oracle. But we moved the application from Oracle to SQL Server. And DB2 was for the ERP System, and moved to SQL Server for Data Warehouse.
And the Sybase was just for the phone system, and it was just a data source for reports.
Sometimes they may make it sound like you need to know everything, but as Lutz mentions, see if you can have them narrow down to the real focus.
Yes - over inflated resumes seem to have a counter part in over inflated job requirements / descriptions.
I would think they may attract each other, but may have some of the best candidates turned off.
If it is real, it could be a real mess to walk into.
I have a hard time remembering using actual ASP for a web page, or compiling a VB6 exe.....
Did you have a single person to manage all those database systems (as it is "requested" here)? I guess not. And that's my point: if they'd have all that stuff sitting around they'd probably have more than just a single person taking care of it...
More than 1 person, although a couple of us did work on 2 platforms.
Apache and IIS did not cross paths at all. You did one or the other.
So you were pretty much .Net or Java for developer skills.
I did once have to set up Apache to run on an IIS server so I could locally host a wiki.
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November 23, 2013 at 5:27 pm
L' Eomot Inversé (11/23/2013)
Ed Wagner (11/22/2013)
I never had the "pleasure" of working with either of those IBM products, but I've been forced to work with other ones. If they're any judge, it's a wonder the company is still in business.That sounds as if you worked with DB2 and SNA. Or did they have another two that bad?
DB2 on an AS400 was pretty rock solid. I kind of wished SQL Server ran on an AS400.
I think if some places added up the total costs, they might think twice about Windows Servers.
November 26, 2013 at 7:20 pm
/rant mode on
Frickin' bloody pain in the tuckus idiotic mindless rules drones! Gotta go in early tomorrow because it's entirely possible a SQL server and a couple Oracle servers I've been baby-sitting for a couple months may get pulled from the network because they're not "updated." Let's see, a SQL server that is required to go away by Monday because it's running Win Server 2008 and not 2008R2 that when I tried to update it lost several drives after the reboot (VM, so I was able to revert to the snapshot from before doing anything,) and Oracle databases that are in a:
"You need to patch for this vulnerability.
There's no patch from Oracle for the version being run for that vulnerability and there's no Oracle DBA to handle upgrading.
You need to patch for this vulnerability.
See my previous response.
You need to patch for this vulnerability or upgrade.
See my previous response.
We're threatening to pull these servers from the network if you don't apply the patch.
THERE IS NO D*MN PATCH FOR WHAT YOU WANT!!!!"
So now I get to go in early, potentially to explain to the customers why stuff isn't working, where my only answer can be "IA pulled them because there's no patch to fix what they want fixed from the vendor, or "fixing" the problem breaks the server anyways."
yay
/rant off
So, hope everyone has a happy Thanksgiving if you celebrate it, or a nice weekend otherwise!
November 26, 2013 at 7:48 pm
jasona.work (11/26/2013)
/rant mode onFrickin' bloody pain in the tuckus idiotic mindless rules drones! Gotta go in early tomorrow because it's entirely possible a SQL server and a couple Oracle servers I've been baby-sitting for a couple months may get pulled from the network because they're not "updated." Let's see, a SQL server that is required to go away by Monday because it's running Win Server 2008 and not 2008R2 that when I tried to update it lost several drives after the reboot (VM, so I was able to revert to the snapshot from before doing anything,) and Oracle databases that are in a:
"You need to patch for this vulnerability.
There's no patch from Oracle for the version being run for that vulnerability and there's no Oracle DBA to handle upgrading.
You need to patch for this vulnerability.
See my previous response.
You need to patch for this vulnerability or upgrade.
See my previous response.
We're threatening to pull these servers from the network if you don't apply the patch.
THERE IS NO D*MN PATCH FOR WHAT YOU WANT!!!!"
So now I get to go in early, potentially to explain to the customers why stuff isn't working, where my only answer can be "IA pulled them because there's no patch to fix what they want fixed from the vendor, or "fixing" the problem breaks the server anyways."
yay
/rant off
So, hope everyone has a happy Thanksgiving if you celebrate it, or a nice weekend otherwise!
I feel your pain, my brother.
Anything I can help with?
November 26, 2013 at 9:07 pm
Just on the off chance that this is why the upgrade failed......
Known Bugs when upgrading to W2008R2
Upgrading servers with more than one hard drive
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If you are using the installation DVD to upgrade a server with two hard drives that is running Windows Server 2003 to Windows Server 2008 R2, the computer will restart during the installation process. When you restart the computer, it continues the installation process from the Windows Server 2008 R2 DVD. However, no upgrade option is available, so when you remove the installation DVD, the computer fails to restart.
By default, the Windows Server 2008 R2 installation DVD will attempt to start the computer from hard disk drive 0 on the computer. If this is a hard disk drive other than drive C (for example, drive E), the installation DVD cannot continue the upgrade process. Remove the other hard disk drive (in this example, drive E) to enable the upgrade process to finish successfully.
November 27, 2013 at 5:40 am
Greg Edwards-268690 (11/26/2013)
Just on the off chance that this is why the upgrade failed......Known Bugs when upgrading to W2008R2
Upgrading servers with more than one hard drive
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If you are using the installation DVD to upgrade a server with two hard drives that is running Windows Server 2003 to Windows Server 2008 R2, the computer will restart during the installation process. When you restart the computer, it continues the installation process from the Windows Server 2008 R2 DVD. However, no upgrade option is available, so when you remove the installation DVD, the computer fails to restart.
By default, the Windows Server 2008 R2 installation DVD will attempt to start the computer from hard disk drive 0 on the computer. If this is a hard disk drive other than drive C (for example, drive E), the installation DVD cannot continue the upgrade process. Remove the other hard disk drive (in this example, drive E) to enable the upgrade process to finish successfully.
Isn't it awesome when you consider just how much collective experience we all have? I know the forums demonstrate this every day, but this serves to drive the point home. Best of luck with it, Jason.
November 27, 2013 at 5:46 am
Anyone want to handle this one?
'A server which sends custom alerts is sending notifications that an offline database is offline. Why would it do that?'
http://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic1518022-146-1.aspx
Gail Shaw
Microsoft Certified Master: SQL Server, MVP, M.Sc (Comp Sci)
SQL In The Wild: Discussions on DB performance with occasional diversions into recoverability
November 27, 2013 at 6:20 am
GilaMonster (11/27/2013)
Anyone want to handle this one?'A server which sends custom alerts is sending notifications that an offline database is offline. Why would it do that?'
http://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic1518022-146-1.aspx
I offered up the system Performance Logs and Alerts, but I have no idea if this is it. Could be a database job or scheduled task, but how would a query be aware of a database that's offline? After all, it's offline.
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