August 19, 2013 at 11:18 am
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Just looking in a minute, while stopping to grab a donut. I feel compelled to ask this water-cooler question. Have the posted questions continued to get worse over time?Nah, once a question is posted, it stays about the same.
Actually some of them do actually get worse when rereading them. 😛
Have they gotten worse or have you gotten better?
That depends on which inertial frame you are observing the system from.
If old posts are getting worse, would that mean that average is getting better and so answer to original question is No, questions are not getting worse 🙂
August 19, 2013 at 11:55 am
Ville-Pekka Vahteala (8/19/2013)
wolfkillj (8/19/2013)
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Stefan Krzywicki (8/19/2013)
The Dixie Flatline (8/19/2013)
Just looking in a minute, while stopping to grab a donut. I feel compelled to ask this water-cooler question. Have the posted questions continued to get worse over time?Nah, once a question is posted, it stays about the same.
Actually some of them do actually get worse when rereading them. 😛
Have they gotten worse or have you gotten better?
That depends on which inertial frame you are observing the system from.
If old posts are getting worse, would that mean that average is getting better and so answer to original question is No, questions are not getting worse 🙂
I think the number of people posting questions without first doing one iota of research has gone up. I also think the homework questions have increased. Don't get me wrong - there are some really good ones out there and I have learned a lot just from reading them. However, there are a lot of awful ones where people don't know how to research anything for themselves or even how to post a question.
August 19, 2013 at 12:08 pm
Ed Wagner (8/19/2013)
Ville-Pekka Vahteala (8/19/2013)
wolfkillj (8/19/2013)
Stefan Krzywicki (8/19/2013)
Sean Lange (8/19/2013)
Stefan Krzywicki (8/19/2013)
The Dixie Flatline (8/19/2013)
Just looking in a minute, while stopping to grab a donut. I feel compelled to ask this water-cooler question. Have the posted questions continued to get worse over time?Nah, once a question is posted, it stays about the same.
Actually some of them do actually get worse when rereading them. 😛
Have they gotten worse or have you gotten better?
That depends on which inertial frame you are observing the system from.
If old posts are getting worse, would that mean that average is getting better and so answer to original question is No, questions are not getting worse 🙂
I think the number of people posting questions without first doing one iota of research has gone up. I also think the homework questions have increased. Don't get me wrong - there are some really good ones out there and I have learned a lot just from reading them. However, there are a lot of awful ones where people don't know how to research anything for themselves or even how to post a question.
What about a user that has been around since January and keeps asking questions about data type conversions, never posting sample data and all of his requirements are urgent?
Is it ok if I sneak here?:-D
August 19, 2013 at 12:10 pm
Ed Wagner (8/19/2013)
I think the number of people posting questions without first doing one iota of research has gone up. I also think the homework questions have increased. Don't get me wrong - there are some really good ones out there and I have learned a lot just from reading them. However, there are a lot of awful ones where people don't know how to research anything for themselves or even how to post a question.
I would tend to agree with this. It seems like, when I'm actually answering questions, I can do a simple search and get the answer to a lot more questions than in the past. You know that is when I don't know the answer off the top of my head.:w00t:
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August 19, 2013 at 12:13 pm
Ed Wagner (8/19/2013)
I think the number of people posting questions without first doing one iota of research has gone up. I also think the homework questions have increased. Don't get me wrong - there are some really good ones out there and I have learned a lot just from reading them. However, there are a lot of awful ones where people don't know how to research anything for themselves or even how to post a question.
+1
A lot of questions posted recently can surely be solved with a quick Google search.
ps: this is my 3rd attempt to quote Ed. Thanks Luis and Jack for messing with the quote bug 🙂
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August 19, 2013 at 12:21 pm
Ed Wagner (8/19/2013)
I think the number of people posting questions without first doing one iota of research has gone up. I also think the homework questions have increased. Don't get me wrong - there are some really good ones out there and I have learned a lot just from reading them. However, there are a lot of awful ones where people don't know how to research anything for themselves or even how to post a question.
There's been a lot of questions lately that I've read and just walked away. Not sure if that's indicative of the question or my state of mind, but....
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August 19, 2013 at 12:25 pm
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Ed Wagner (8/19/2013)
I think the number of people posting questions without first doing one iota of research has gone up. I also think the homework questions have increased. Don't get me wrong - there are some really good ones out there and I have learned a lot just from reading them. However, there are a lot of awful ones where people don't know how to research anything for themselves or even how to post a question.There's been a lot of questions lately that I've read and just walked away. Not sure if that's indicative of the question or my state of mind, but....
I've had questions like these as well, where the posted question is just such a mess or unclear that I think it will take me too much time to make sense of it.
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August 20, 2013 at 6:06 am
Koen Verbeeck (8/19/2013)
GilaMonster (8/19/2013)
Ed Wagner (8/19/2013)
I think the number of people posting questions without first doing one iota of research has gone up. I also think the homework questions have increased. Don't get me wrong - there are some really good ones out there and I have learned a lot just from reading them. However, there are a lot of awful ones where people don't know how to research anything for themselves or even how to post a question.There's been a lot of questions lately that I've read and just walked away. Not sure if that's indicative of the question or my state of mind, but....
I've had questions like these as well, where the posted question is just such a mess or unclear that I think it will take me too much time to make sense of it.
Yeah...me too. There are quite a few questions where there simply isn't a request or question, so I don't even bother. For those with questions, I find some of them flat-out frightening and it makes me wonder how some people are working with a database at all. You'd think a basic understanding is required to get a job, but...
The most frustrating ones for me are where they give you only part of the information required to solve the problem or it has errors. You ask for more information and they still don't give it to you and just restate their original question. :w00t:
August 20, 2013 at 7:22 am
Ed Wagner (8/20/2013)
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Ed Wagner (8/19/2013)
I think the number of people posting questions without first doing one iota of research has gone up. I also think the homework questions have increased. Don't get me wrong - there are some really good ones out there and I have learned a lot just from reading them. However, there are a lot of awful ones where people don't know how to research anything for themselves or even how to post a question.There's been a lot of questions lately that I've read and just walked away. Not sure if that's indicative of the question or my state of mind, but....
I've had questions like these as well, where the posted question is just such a mess or unclear that I think it will take me too much time to make sense of it.
Yeah...me too. There are quite a few questions where there simply isn't a request or question, so I don't even bother. For those with questions, I find some of them flat-out frightening and it makes me wonder how some people are working with a database at all. You'd think a basic understanding is required to get a job, but...
The most frustrating ones for me are where they give you only part of the information required to solve the problem or it has errors. You ask for more information and they still don't give it to you and just restate their original question. :w00t:
I think there are quite a few people who get a job tending a database for a department because they've shown they know Excel better than anyone else in the group. The boss is told databases work better for lots of data, so they put their "data person" in charge of it with no training. Hiring an expert costs too much, training costs too much, so you get bad databases and people who don't really know what to do with them floundering around and ending up here.
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August 20, 2013 at 10:19 am
Stefan Krzywicki (8/19/2013)
The Dixie Flatline (8/19/2013)
Just looking in a minute, while stopping to grab a donut. I feel compelled to ask this water-cooler question. Have the posted questions continued to get worse over time?Nah, once a question is posted, it stays about the same.
Actually, some of them change quite a lot - some OPs use the edit feature to change their posts when they realise that they have been demonstrating irrationality, impoliteness, and pig-headedness. 😉
Tom
August 20, 2013 at 1:03 pm
Another fun fun day...
Was asked to see if there's a way to prevent an executable (which is a Windows service) from running, and still be able to restart it later...
The exe is for an AV application (controlled by our NOC team) that the NOC pushes updates to when they want / need to. Even in the middle of the day. This causes problems with some servers, notably the Sharepoint farm. I think I've found a way to do it (we have no control over GPOs, or this would be easy-peasy) but some of the things in the setup are rather scary ("Do you want to create the default rules for system files?" Wait, you mean this could completely block the OS from working? CANCEL!) And, just going to the forums most likely to provide an answer (Technet) is also likely to get people yelling about trying to "hack" the system...
Sigh.
Jason
August 20, 2013 at 1:56 pm
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How many people (besides Jeff and myself) have written SQL Spackle articles?How many SQL Spackle articles are there?
Yes, I have a reason for asking. But I want to share it with the Spackle authors first before I say anything else.
Waiting with worms on my tongue ("baited" breath :-D), what's up with this?
There you go, old bait breath. (Thanks for the reminder. GenCon prep has me insane with work and I forgot about this).
Hi there, it's your Monday Morning Pedant here. I more than half suspect that Jeff and Brandie know this and are just being ironic, but the phrase is "bated breath", with "bated" as the adjectival form of "bate", meaning "to moderate or restrain." So waiting with bated breath means one is holding one's breath in anticipation, while waiting with baited breath suggests one needs some Tic Tacs or something because one's breath STINKS!
My take is that everone knows the difference and it is used for a humorous effect; not to be confused with a humeris effect. Though, that might be funny, too.
Your hubris effect is showing
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August 21, 2013 at 6:02 am
jasona.work (8/20/2013)
Another fun fun day...Was asked to see if there's a way to prevent an executable (which is a Windows service) from running, and still be able to restart it later...
The exe is for an AV application (controlled by our NOC team) that the NOC pushes updates to when they want / need to. Even in the middle of the day. This causes problems with some servers, notably the Sharepoint farm. I think I've found a way to do it (we have no control over GPOs, or this would be easy-peasy) but some of the things in the setup are rather scary ("Do you want to create the default rules for system files?" Wait, you mean this could completely block the OS from working? CANCEL!) And, just going to the forums most likely to provide an answer (Technet) is also likely to get people yelling about trying to "hack" the system...
Sigh.
Jason
We were forced to run this on our servers which were not exposed outside the network.
Fortunately those in control let me have input into exclusions that made sense, so impact was minimal.
Usually they control AV with GPO's, which will be reapplied - can't remeber if this was 15 minutes or 2 hours in our case.
Hope they work with you on this, otherwise you might create some attention you do not want.
Likewise, they probably don't want the attention that your servers are real slow.
August 21, 2013 at 6:58 am
Well, so far (knocks on wood) my SQL boxes aren't being impacted too bad by this. It's the Sharepoint guys who are having headaches. I think I got asked to look at blocking this AV because I've probably got the most "general" server knowledge.
I thought I had found a way, using Application Restriction Policies, but when I tried it out at home, it didn't work...
Ah well, at least I tried.
August 21, 2013 at 7:40 am
Have the one who manage the sharepoint farm truly proved AV is the issue?
SharePoint has many other services that can consume a lot of CPU and slow things down.
Some of the crawler / search indexing services and timing can be invasive.
Not sure what your setup is, but we used separate VM's for some of this.
Also depending on how you use if, some of the history / revision can lead to a lot of other bloat.
Tread carefully - many places too much creativity can get you pushed out the door.
Even if the intentions are white hat type activity.
Once when we were working on an application, I proved the corporate firewall was dropping our packets.
Only thing that saved me was a few of those who were having me figure it out.
I'm sure the head guy still remembers that discussion.
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