July 10, 2013 at 11:04 am
Stefan Krzywicki (7/10/2013)
Brandie Tarvin (7/10/2013)
WayneS (7/10/2013)
Brandie Tarvin (7/10/2013)
The way I was taught English ...Hang on... you actually paid attention? :w00t:
Not like I had a choice (see below).
Stefan Krzywicki (7/10/2013)
I used to love sentence diagramming. I think it led to my love of design schematics.Our school district made us do sentence diagramming every freakin' year. EVERY year.
Wow. I think we only did it one year.
Must be one of those "new school" things... I don't recall ever doing this. (At least under this name.)
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July 10, 2013 at 11:23 am
WayneS (7/10/2013)
Stefan Krzywicki (7/10/2013)
Brandie Tarvin (7/10/2013)
WayneS (7/10/2013)
Brandie Tarvin (7/10/2013)
The way I was taught English ...Hang on... you actually paid attention? :w00t:
Not like I had a choice (see below).
Stefan Krzywicki (7/10/2013)
I used to love sentence diagramming. I think it led to my love of design schematics.Our school district made us do sentence diagramming every freakin' year. EVERY year.
Wow. I think we only did it one year.
Must be one of those "new school" things... I don't recall ever doing this. (At least under this name.)
I don't know. I know my mom taught this back in the 60s & 70s for HS.
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July 10, 2013 at 12:51 pm
WayneS (7/10/2013)
Stefan Krzywicki (7/10/2013)
Brandie Tarvin (7/10/2013)
WayneS (7/10/2013)
Brandie Tarvin (7/10/2013)
The way I was taught English ...Hang on... you actually paid attention? :w00t:
Not like I had a choice (see below).
Stefan Krzywicki (7/10/2013)
I used to love sentence diagramming. I think it led to my love of design schematics.Our school district made us do sentence diagramming every freakin' year. EVERY year.
Wow. I think we only did it one year.
Must be one of those "new school" things... I don't recall ever doing this. (At least under this name.)
Well, fairly new, sentence diagrams have only been around for a little bit over one and a third centuries.
I suspect that in most places they have been long abandoned in favour of parse trees; certainly I saw parse trees at school about 60 years ago, and didn't see sentence trees until about 20 years later - which suggests to me that parse trees were by then far more common. I'm surprised Brandie had to do it (and every year) - she's younger than me; perhaps her school was a bit old-fashioned, or perhaps education in that part of the USA was holding onto older ways of doing things. I guess no-one gets it in school any more, both because parse trees are a much better representation of the structure of sentences and phrases, so if anyone wanted to teach analysis of syntactic and grammatical structure they would use them instead of sentence diagramming, and because the influence of left wing lunacy on teaching (at least in England, Wales, and most of the Anglophone bits of Scotland) has ensured that the typical school leaver doesn't know what a noun is or what a verb is, so would be utterly unable to parse or diagram a sentence.
Tom
July 10, 2013 at 1:53 pm
L' Eomot Inversé (7/9/2013)
(help - is it politically correct to call them one language, or two?)
Technically, Flemish does not exist as a language. It is a dialect of Dutch. More specifically, there is no such thing as THE Flemish dialect, but rather a whole bunch of regional dialects. But foreigners don't really know the differences, so they call it all "Flemish", just as we call all dialects from The Netherlands "Hollands" (although Holland is just one province of The Netherlands).
In practice, you can look at "Belgian Dutch or Flemish" versus "The Netherlands Dutch" just as you do with American and British English (and in extent Canadian and Australian English). It's the same language, but pronounced differently and some words can be different (movie / film). American English is also a grouping of several "dialects". I guess people in Texas speak English differently than people in New York. At least, that's what Hollywood tells me. 🙂
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July 10, 2013 at 2:14 pm
Stefan Krzywicki (7/10/2013)
Starting tomorrow and running through Sunday is Readercon in Burlington, MA just outside Boston. This is a local SF convention that I'm helping run this year. Wow this is a lot of work. : -) Wish me luck! If anyone's in the area, stop in. Thursday night is free!
That looks interesting. Wish I could make it.
My son just got back from Bronycon. Glad he was old enough to go without me.
July 11, 2013 at 7:06 am
Koen Verbeeck (7/10/2013)
L' Eomot Inversé (7/9/2013)
(help - is it politically correct to call them one language, or two?)Technically, Flemish does not exist as a language. It is a dialect of Dutch. More specifically, there is no such thing as THE Flemish dialect, but rather a whole bunch of regional dialects. But foreigners don't really know the differences, so they call it all "Flemish", just as we call all dialects from The Netherlands "Hollands" (although Holland is just one province of The Netherlands).
In practice, you can look at "Belgian Dutch or Flemish" versus "The Netherlands Dutch" just as you do with American and British English (and in extent Canadian and Australian English). It's the same language, but pronounced differently and some words can be different (movie / film). American English is also a grouping of several "dialects". I guess people in Texas speak English differently than people in New York. At least, that's what Hollywood tells me. :-)[/quote]
That's answering the wrong question ("are they one language or two") which is anyway a question I would never ask of a pair as closely related as these because the only useful answer is "it depends on your definition". It doesn't answer the real question at all, which is about fashion rather than fact, ie what is the politically correct way to treat them. The question should perhaps have been phrased as: "regardless of whether they are actually one or two or more languages, which depends on definitions, which number can be used with the least risk of producing a silly reaction from those numerous and vociferous idiots who think that their worldview is the only correct one and that anyone who thinks differently is necessarily an ill-mannered and offensive person?".
Tom
July 11, 2013 at 7:47 am
You ever have one of those days when you're trying to get information about a High Priority problem (so you can resolve the issue) and the user misunderstands you and reveals another High Priority problem that they didn't mean to tell you about?
<headdesk>
"Oh, sorry. Ignore everything I just said ..." because apparently they don't want me to fix everything all at once. They'd rather I do it piecemeal.
Nickel and dime. Nickel and dime. SIGH.
July 11, 2013 at 8:00 am
Brandie Tarvin (7/11/2013)
You ever have one of those days when you're trying to get information about a High Priority problem (so you can resolve the issue) and the user misunderstands you and reveals another High Priority problem that they didn't mean to tell you about?<headdesk>
"Oh, sorry. Ignore everything I just said ..." because apparently they don't want me to fix everything all at once. They'd rather I do it piecemeal.
Nickel and dime. Nickel and dime. SIGH.
I need about tree-fitty.
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July 11, 2013 at 9:30 am
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Brandie Tarvin (7/11/2013)
You ever have one of those days when you're trying to get information about a High Priority problem (so you can resolve the issue) and the user misunderstands you and reveals another High Priority problem that they didn't mean to tell you about?<headdesk>
"Oh, sorry. Ignore everything I just said ..." because apparently they don't want me to fix everything all at once. They'd rather I do it piecemeal.
Nickel and dime. Nickel and dime. SIGH.
I need about tree-fitty.
play some fitty scent real loud so people will walk away.
July 11, 2013 at 9:52 am
The Dixie Flatline (7/11/2013)
Brandie Tarvin (7/11/2013)
You ever have one of those days when you're trying to get information about a High Priority problem (so you can resolve the issue) and the user misunderstands you and reveals another High Priority problem that they didn't mean to tell you about?<headdesk>
"Oh, sorry. Ignore everything I just said ..." because apparently they don't want me to fix everything all at once. They'd rather I do it piecemeal.
Nickel and dime. Nickel and dime. SIGH.
I need about tree-fitty.
I ain't givin' you no tree-fitty, you %&@# Loch Ness Monster! Get your own %&@# money!
Jason Wolfkill
July 11, 2013 at 9:54 am
Steve Jones - SSC Editor (7/11/2013)
The Dixie Flatline (7/11/2013)
Brandie Tarvin (7/11/2013)
You ever have one of those days when you're trying to get information about a High Priority problem (so you can resolve the issue) and the user misunderstands you and reveals another High Priority problem that they didn't mean to tell you about?<headdesk>
"Oh, sorry. Ignore everything I just said ..." because apparently they don't want me to fix everything all at once. They'd rather I do it piecemeal.
Nickel and dime. Nickel and dime. SIGH.
I need about tree-fitty.
play some fitty scent real loud so people will walk away.
Steve, did I ever tell you about the time I met the Loch Ness Monster?
edited to add: Dangit, Wolf, you typed faster than me.
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July 11, 2013 at 1:03 pm
OK I will show my true American colors here. My wife's company just got a new client in Newfoundland. She is going to have to travel there this fall at some point and wants to take me with her. This sounds like a great opportunity. Then the realization that I don't have a passport hits me. This is probably unbelievable to many of you that a guy in his mid 40s doesn't have a passport. The US is a big place and I used to able to go to Canada and Mexico with no passport. The last time I truly traveled abroad was the summer I spent in England when I was 10. That means my passport expired more than 25 years ago. 😀 There are a lot of extra hoops to jump through because I have not had a passport for so long. It would actually be easier if I had never had one before. The upside is that if it comes through in time I should be able to spend a week in Vancouver in September too since she has some client meetings there.
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July 11, 2013 at 2:48 pm
L' Eomot Inversé (7/11/2013)
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L' Eomot Inversé (7/9/2013)
(help - is it politically correct to call them one language, or two?)Technically, Flemish does not exist as a language. It is a dialect of Dutch. More specifically, there is no such thing as THE Flemish dialect, but rather a whole bunch of regional dialects. But foreigners don't really know the differences, so they call it all "Flemish", just as we call all dialects from The Netherlands "Hollands" (although Holland is just one province of The Netherlands).
In practice, you can look at "Belgian Dutch or Flemish" versus "The Netherlands Dutch" just as you do with American and British English (and in extent Canadian and Australian English). It's the same language, but pronounced differently and some words can be different (movie / film). American English is also a grouping of several "dialects". I guess people in Texas speak English differently than people in New York. At least, that's what Hollywood tells me. 🙂
That's answering the wrong question ("are they one language or two") which is anyway a question I would never ask of a pair as closely related as these because the only useful answer is "it depends on your definition". It doesn't answer the real question at all, which is about fashion rather than fact, ie what is the politically correct way to treat them. The question should perhaps have been phrased as: "regardless of whether they are actually one or two or more languages, which depends on definitions, which number can be used with the least risk of producing a silly reaction from those numerous and vociferous idiots who think that their worldview is the only correct one and that anyone who thinks differently is necessarily an ill-mannered and offensive person?".
Groan, so much typing and it didn't answer your question 😀
I think of it as only one language. So when I talk about Dutch, it's about one language, regardles if it is spoken in Belgium or The Netherlands.
I'm not sure if the Dutch people agree with me here 😀
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July 11, 2013 at 2:50 pm
Anyone have an idea what's wrong with this guy's SQL Agent?
http://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic1471588-1292-1.aspx#bm1472553
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July 11, 2013 at 4:11 pm
Koen Verbeeck (7/11/2013)
Anyone have an idea what's wrong with this guy's SQL Agent?http://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic1471588-1292-1.aspx#bm1472553
There's a man who leads a life of danger. To everyone he meets he stays a stranger. Oops... wrong agent, never mind.
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