May 23, 2013 at 5:12 pm
Sean Lange (5/23/2013)
Lowell (5/23/2013)
I have a certain fondness for doing solutions in TSQL, or at least be centered around TSQL, regardless of whether it's the right tool for the job or not.
I just made a proof of concept CLR so that I could read a pop3 mailbox and return the results as an ITVF;
It works, and depending on my crappy mailserver's response times, i get , say the "latest" 25 emails in anywhere from 17 seconds to over two minutes.
If I was to slap out an article on it, do you think the articles focus should be on the tips and tricks of getting it to work(deep diving into the CLR code,external_access,trustworthy, why the CLR looks the way it does and requires fill functions/table definitions etc), or more on assuming they just install the assemblies, and how it could be used via TSQL?
I figure it might help the guys that like to cut boards with hammers like me, but I'm thinking the target audience is really people who want to run a script to install, and read their email box, and who cares what's under the covers.
I would love to read about the nitty gritty for this. Sounds like an article chock full of learning potential. Of course you would still need to have some details about how it could be used. Sounds like a great read to me!!!
Me too!
Tom
May 23, 2013 at 9:12 pm
L' Eomot Inversé (5/15/2013)
Anyway, I reckon Windows 8 is super. ... it all runs well and a lot faster than it would on similar hardware under XP
That must be a joke!
I'm sure it is.
I still have Windows XP Pro running on HP Vectra having Pentium II 350 (MHz, it's 0.35 GHz), 256 MB RAM (not sure about MHz here, must be 200 or so), IDE100 hard drive with 8GB dedicated for the system partition.
I use Office 2003, Outlook, iTunes, Calibre, Photoshop (used extensively), accounting stuff, audio and video editing software (older versions, you may guess), something else I use occasionally, and diffeent browsers, of course.
My biggest regret is upgrading Skype without preserving the old installation file. It stopped working then, as the hardware was not good enough for it anymore.
(BTW, it's happened soon after MS bought Skype.)
All works great, as I've learnt my lesson with Skype and I'm careful about upgrades since then.
Now, 10 times more cycles per second, 4 times more CPU cores, 40 times more of 10 times faster RAM, 20 times bigger and 8 times faster hard drive - does your Word start any faster than mine?
:w00t:
If you've managed to restore it, of course.:hehe:
Can you even download an installation package for Windows 8 on such a hardware???
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May 23, 2013 at 9:58 pm
L' Eomot Inversé (5/23/2013)
I had some hassle with installing outlook on top of office H&S, which was an office problem not a windows 8 problem. I've been told that a similar problem existed on Windows 7.
I'm sorry, what's the purpose of an Operational System?
Wasn't it "Easy and error free installation and execution of applications"?
OK, I can accept that badly written 3rd party applications may fail installation, and it might be not the OS problem.
But when you have troubles installing and configuring parts of the same software suit coming from the same vendor as the OS - are you sure it's not a problem with OS?
I hate the fact that IE 10 rams the acrobat reader plugin down my throat, continuing to use it even if I disable the Adobe addins, because I hate reader and because I don't think MS should be forcing me to use that stuff when alternatives that I prefer are readily available; but that's an IE issue (and I can probably solve it with a little jiggery-pokery) not a Windows 8 issue.
I'm sorry, isn't IE10 a part of Windows8?
Can you install Windows8 without IE10?
As well as problems with Maps (or Safari, if you know some) are problems with iOS6, the same way problems with IE10 are problems Windows8.
You still tend to see much more about bad things that about good
Isn't is a human nature?
😎
I seem to have started a storm.
Just to be clear - I'm not participating in this storm.
Despite the best effort from Lynn to pull me in.
just that I suspected the cause of the hype was a bunch of old dinosaurs who were against all change.
I might be one of those dinosaurs. 🙂
I hate change for a sake of change.
Eventually I've learned the UI of the new Office, and I have no trouble finding the features I need anymore.
But I still don't see the point why I should have spent my time doing this, as I cannot find any advantage of the new layout vs. the old one.
When I have a choice - I prefer to run OpenOffice, as I find it more convenient.
And of course - I don't keep in memory all the numerous cases when I really appreciated changes in UI design.
See my comment above regarding human nature.
:hehe:
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May 23, 2013 at 10:16 pm
Sergiy (5/23/2013)
L' Eomot Inversé (5/23/2013)
I had some hassle with installing outlook on top of office H&S, which was an office problem not a windows 8 problem. I've been told that a similar problem existed on Windows 7.I'm sorry, what's the purpose of an Operational System?
Wasn't it "Easy and error free installation and execution of applications"?
OK, I can accept that badly written 3rd party applications may fail installation, and it might be not the OS problem.
But when you have troubles installing and configuring parts of the same software suit coming from the same vendor as the OS - are you sure it's not a problem with OS?
I hate the fact that IE 10 rams the acrobat reader plugin down my throat, continuing to use it even if I disable the Adobe addins, because I hate reader and because I don't think MS should be forcing me to use that stuff when alternatives that I prefer are readily available; but that's an IE issue (and I can probably solve it with a little jiggery-pokery) not a Windows 8 issue.
I'm sorry, isn't IE10 a part of Windows8?
Can you install Windows8 without IE10?
As well as problems with Maps (or Safari, if you know some) are problems with iOS6, the same way problems with IE10 are problems Windows8.
You still tend to see much more about bad things that about good
Isn't is a human nature?
😎
I seem to have started a storm.
Just to be clear - I'm not participating in this storm.
Despite the best effort from Lynn to pull me in.
just that I suspected the cause of the hype was a bunch of old dinosaurs who were against all change.
I might be one of those dinosaurs. 🙂
I hate change for a sake of change.
Eventually I've learned the UI of the new Office, and I have no trouble finding the features I need anymore.
But I still don't see the point why I should have spent my time doing this, as I cannot find any advantage of the new layout vs. the old one.
When I have a choice - I prefer to run OpenOffice, as I find it more convenient.
And of course - I don't keep in memory all the numerous cases when I really appreciated changes in UI design.
See my comment above regarding human nature.
:hehe:
I'm not trying to pull you into anything, Sergiy. You are fully capable of making a decision to respond or not. To be sure, no where did I call on you to respond to anything regarding this discussion about Windows 8. You made that decision on your own, so please don't blame me for your getting involved.
May 24, 2013 at 4:56 am
#headdesk
Aren't Friday's supposed to be the easy day of the week?
Nothing worse than coming into the office (after a late night doing scheduled maintenance) and hearing "the vendor apps are offline."
And since the maintenance had nothing to do with the vendor apps, this is an entirely different sort of pain for which I have to start troubleshooting from scratch.
It's FRIDAY. Didn't the servers get that memo?
#headdesk #headdesk
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May 24, 2013 at 5:16 am
At the risk of either being pulled or diving into a storm (in truth, I suspect and hope, neither:rolleyes:) I've had a brief play with 8 and I'm not a fan. I certainly don't think it's broken and unusable but it's "different". For me it's the little things like it loading into the "Metro" view by default when I want the desktop view. Yes I can switch back with a keystroke but now I have to switch back with a keystroke. And I know I can still do everything I used to with the start menu by other means but I liked the start menu, I was used to it and I didn't need other means. All my criticsms are really just niggles but niggles add up to frustration.
It's like my fridge door that insists on swinging closed all the time because I've never got around to setting the feet right. Sure I can hold it open but that doesn't stop it aggrevating me when it keeps bumping my shoulder while I'm rummaging through the vegetable tray. I really must sort those feet out.
To be fair I probably didn't play with it long enough to start finding the benefits it was going to give me but I certainly got confronted with the niggles. As I say, it certainly didn't strike me as broken and it isn't going to be the downfall of Microsoft but I do think the "change for change's sake" argument holds some water. I understand that they're trying to unify the desktop experience with handheld/touchscreen experience and think it's a worthy goal but it struck me that they could have left a few extra nods to my desktop past and made it a much more comfortable experience.
May 24, 2013 at 6:02 am
Sergiy (5/23/2013)[hr.I'm sorry, what's the purpose of an Operational System?
Wasn't it "Easy and error free installation and execution of applications"?
Sometimes, and sometimes not; The OSs for IPODs and Windows phones seem to be examples of NOT - part of their function is to prevent installation of applications. But in the case of Windows 8 on a laptop, yes your point is valid.
OK, I can accept that badly written 3rd party applications may fail installation, and it might be not the OS problem.
But when you have troubles installing and configuring parts of the same software suit coming from the same vendor as the OS - are you sure it's not a problem with OS?
And the fact that in Windows 8 this good old Windows 7 problem hasn't been fixed is one of the things that makes Windows 8 so much a worse operating system than Windows 7? If that's not what you are saying, what is?
.I'm sorry, isn't IE10 a part of Windows8?
Can you install Windows8 without IE10?
In the sense that it is needed during Windows 8 start up it is part of Windows 8 and windows 8 can't be installed without it - I have to use it to download Mozilla and Opera so that I can use them instead of IE10. Since reading PDF files in the browser is the only problem I've found with Windows 10, I can't see that it's a Windows 8 issue. Besides, I have to ask again, what is the current browser for Windows 7? As it is IE10 nothing in IE10 can be a disadvantage of windows 8 compared to windows 7, and that's what all the shouting has been about - Windows 8 is supposed to be a disaster compared to Windows 7.
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I seem to have started a storm.
Just to be clear - I'm not participating in this storm.
Despite the best effort from Lynn to pull me in.
I didn't notice any such effort, and I certainly don't think your reply to my post is in any sense storming - it's making valid points that have to be considered, and perhaps I didn't make it clear enough that in the context of the hype about Windows 8 being being disastrously worse than Windows 7 I feel that a problem which exists in Windows 7 can be dismissed as not Windows 8's fault in an attempt to eliminate arguments which claim to hustify that hype but clearly don't.
just that I suspected the cause of the hype was a bunch of old dinosaurs who were against all change.
I might be one of those dinosaurs. 🙂
I hate change for a sake of change.
I too hate change for the sake of change. Hating change for the sake of change is not something that indicates a dinosaur (although there are some who think my age makes me one). But most of the changes I've seen between Windows XP and Windows 8 clearly have other reasons that just being for the sake of change. For example some people like touch screens, and the old text menus would be hopeless with touch screens, and the new start menu is usable with touch screens and doesn't cause any trouble for a mouse. Having to dismiss it rather than having the text menu disappear on you because you've pulled the mouse into the wrong place is actually an improvement even for those of us who hate touch. And if I wanted the old text menus back, I think it would take me very little time to knock up an app that would provide them for me an pin that app to my desktop or to my taskbar - or maybe create a Windows key+ something shortcut that fired it off. I had no trouble with the new office UI at all, being happy with outlook, word, and excel in only a few minutes (having previously only office 2003, office xp, office 2000, and earlier versions - not anything newer).
Eventually I've learned the UI of the new Office, and I have no trouble finding the features I need anymore.
But I still don't see the point why I should have spent my time doing this, as I cannot find any advantage of the new layout vs. the old one.
When I have a choice - I prefer to run OpenOffice, as I find it more convenient.
And of course - I don't keep in memory all the numerous cases when I really appreciated changes in UI design.
See my comment above regarding human nature.
:hehe:
Yes, human nature really is like that. :laugh: But the office interface has at least one vast improvement - they've got rid of that ghastly dancing paperclip. Of course you could kill it off in the old version if you knew how to configure it; but most people never found out how, because the office help system was even worse then than it is now.
I tried OpenOfice a while back - actually evaluating as a replacement for Ms Office in the systems we shipped to our customers - and concluded it wouldn't do yet. Sometime I will look at the latest version and see if it's now good enough for me.
Tom
May 24, 2013 at 6:28 am
Help needed with what should be an easy question / answer and yet I seem to suck on the fail this a.m.
Can anyone point me in the right direction?
May 24, 2013 at 7:04 am
Brandie Tarvin (5/24/2013)
#headdeskAren't Friday's supposed to be the easy day of the week?
Nothing worse than coming into the office (after a late night doing scheduled maintenance) and hearing "the vendor apps are offline."
And since the maintenance had nothing to do with the vendor apps, this is an entirely different sort of pain for which I have to start troubleshooting from scratch.
It's FRIDAY. Didn't the servers get that memo?
#headdesk #headdesk
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Yes they did. And decided to start the Holiday weekend early.
May 24, 2013 at 7:32 am
Brandie Tarvin (5/24/2013)
#headdeskAren't Friday's supposed to be the easy day of the week?
Nothing worse than coming into the office (after a late night doing scheduled maintenance) and hearing "the vendor apps are offline."
And since the maintenance had nothing to do with the vendor apps, this is an entirely different sort of pain for which I have to start troubleshooting from scratch.
It's FRIDAY. Didn't the servers get that memo?
#headdesk #headdesk
[/rant]
I agree!
Came in, looked at the backup logs I get e-mailed from the Commvault backup system, and one of the production(!!!) servers had ALL it's backups fail...
I'm thinking, based on the log files, that this: SQL Backup Fails will hopefully fix the problem.
I really, really, REALLY don't want to leave a broken backup for my cohorts while I'm on vacation...
Is it 5 o'clock somewhere?
May 24, 2013 at 7:35 am
As far as people being dinosaurs, remember that birds are dinosaurs. Fast, agile and can fly. Not such a bad thing.
With all the changes to our understanding of dinosaurs over the past few decades, I wonder what calling someone or something a dinosaur really means any more.
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When you encounter a problem, if the solution isn't readily evident go back to the start and check your assumptions.
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It’s unpleasantly like being drunk.
What’s so unpleasant about being drunk?
You ask a glass of water. -- Douglas Adams
May 24, 2013 at 7:55 am
Stefan Krzywicki (5/24/2013)
As far as people being dinosaurs, remember that birds are dinosaurs. Fast, agile and can fly. Not such a bad thing.With all the changes to our understanding of dinosaurs over the past few decades, I wonder what calling someone or something a dinosaur really means any more.
Thats an interesting thought! Would "birdbrain" be an appropriate term of endearment? Just developing a list of whats appropriate for the next time I feel like conversating!
May 24, 2013 at 8:14 am
patrickmcginnis59 10839 (5/24/2013)
Stefan Krzywicki (5/24/2013)
As far as people being dinosaurs, remember that birds are dinosaurs. Fast, agile and can fly. Not such a bad thing.With all the changes to our understanding of dinosaurs over the past few decades, I wonder what calling someone or something a dinosaur really means any more.
Thats an interesting thought! Would "birdbrain" be an appropriate term of endearment? Just developing a list of whats appropriate for the next time I feel like conversating!
Depends on how smart everyone involved in the conversation thinks birds are.
Wow, I'm tired today. Forming that sentence took a lot more effort than it should have.
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When you encounter a problem, if the solution isn't readily evident go back to the start and check your assumptions.
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It’s unpleasantly like being drunk.
What’s so unpleasant about being drunk?
You ask a glass of water. -- Douglas Adams
May 24, 2013 at 8:16 am
I am utterly baffled by a problem I'm having with SSIS moving files. Once a week, instead of moving the files, they simply disappear. The process also copies the files to a subdirectory of where it moves the originals and those work properly, but the main files don't. Once a week, the same time every week and never any other.
I have put the full details here if anyone would like to try and help figure this out or if you already know the answer. : -)
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When you encounter a problem, if the solution isn't readily evident go back to the start and check your assumptions.
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It’s unpleasantly like being drunk.
What’s so unpleasant about being drunk?
You ask a glass of water. -- Douglas Adams
May 24, 2013 at 8:21 am
Stefan Krzywicki (5/24/2013)
patrickmcginnis59 10839 (5/24/2013)
Stefan Krzywicki (5/24/2013)
As far as people being dinosaurs, remember that birds are dinosaurs. Fast, agile and can fly. Not such a bad thing.With all the changes to our understanding of dinosaurs over the past few decades, I wonder what calling someone or something a dinosaur really means any more.
Thats an interesting thought! Would "birdbrain" be an appropriate term of endearment? Just developing a list of whats appropriate for the next time I feel like conversating!
Depends on how smart everyone involved in the conversation thinks birds are.
LOL probably a regional term too. Have to keep that in mind!
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