May 20, 2013 at 7:55 am
With W8 and touch, on a desktop, you can use either the mouse or touch if your screen and software support it.
If you had no option, I agree with the fatigue issue.
In some ways, this is like the mouse and keyboard conflict, with a longer reach involved.
From an IT support perspective, to have the same basic OS on all devices, is huge.
Although users still need to be productive.
In some ways, this is similar to our upgrade from Office 2003 to Office 2010.
There was much fear of users and training needed.
They actually adjusted very quickly to the new interface.
When I see my spouse use her iPad, and anything she opens seems to stay open until a reboot, I kind of question how intuitive this interface is. I doubt she knows how to close something, only switch windows.
May 20, 2013 at 8:21 am
Brandie Tarvin (5/20/2013)
Am I the only person in the world who didn't have issues with Vista and prefer it to Windows 7?
No, my wife had no issues with Vista. She just had to have me figure out how to make it work with everything. 🙂
Getting printers and such to work with Vista was a major PITA because so many of the drivers didn't work and never got updated correctly. That isn't so much a shortcoming of the OS but it was a major issue for the end user.
She has since moved to Windows 7 and she likes it a lot better.
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May 20, 2013 at 8:31 am
Brandie Tarvin (5/20/2013)
... I just hope the Win 8 upgrade I bought allows me a free 8.1 upgrade. I'd hate to spend the money twice.
May 20, 2013 at 8:33 am
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Stefan Krzywicki (5/20/2013)
I think the other thing driving annoyance over Windows 8 is that it seemed to follow Windows 7 very quickly. People were just getting used to it when 8 came along. 7 had been billed as the fix for everything wrong with Vista and it had too little time in the sun. Too much change too fast.Am I the only person in the world who didn't have issues with Vista and prefer it to Windows 7?
That being said, I'll be upgrading to Win 8 shortly. I just hope the Win 8 upgrade I bought allows me a free 8.1 upgrade. I'd hate to spend the money twice.
I also never had any problems with Vista. I don't prefer it to Windows 7, but I don't dislike it either. I think they're around equal.
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May 20, 2013 at 8:36 am
Stefan Krzywicki (5/20/2013)
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I think the other thing driving annoyance over Windows 8 is that it seemed to follow Windows 7 very quickly. People were just getting used to it when 8 came along. 7 had been billed as the fix for everything wrong with Vista and it had too little time in the sun. Too much change too fast.Am I the only person in the world who didn't have issues with Vista and prefer it to Windows 7?
That being said, I'll be upgrading to Win 8 shortly. I just hope the Win 8 upgrade I bought allows me a free 8.1 upgrade. I'd hate to spend the money twice.
I also never had any problems with Vista. I don't prefer it to Windows 7, but I don't dislike it either. I think they're around equal.
If Vista were released as it was designed, it would have been a great opsys. Unfortunately lots of great features got dropped at the last moment, most notably FX.
May 20, 2013 at 8:37 am
Jan Van der Eecken (5/20/2013)
Brandie Tarvin (5/20/2013)
... I just hope the Win 8 upgrade I bought allows me a free 8.1 upgrade. I'd hate to spend the money twice.
Thanks for the link, Jan.
Sean, I did notice there were missing drivers on my printers and my WinFax / HP Scanner software for Vista. Fortunately I found compatible printer drivers and still had my XP laptop around for the WinFax. Other than minor driver issues and the occasional hibernate hang problem, though, Vista Pro was a champ.
Then again, I couldn't get SQL Server Agent (2008) to work properly on it or for some of the other stuff to install. So... maybe it was problematic, but only 1% of the time.
May 20, 2013 at 8:41 am
Revenant (5/20/2013)
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Stefan Krzywicki (5/20/2013)
I think the other thing driving annoyance over Windows 8 is that it seemed to follow Windows 7 very quickly. People were just getting used to it when 8 came along. 7 had been billed as the fix for everything wrong with Vista and it had too little time in the sun. Too much change too fast.Am I the only person in the world who didn't have issues with Vista and prefer it to Windows 7?
That being said, I'll be upgrading to Win 8 shortly. I just hope the Win 8 upgrade I bought allows me a free 8.1 upgrade. I'd hate to spend the money twice.
I also never had any problems with Vista. I don't prefer it to Windows 7, but I don't dislike it either. I think they're around equal.
If Vista were released as it was designed, it would have been a great opsys. Unfortunately lots of great features got dropped at the last moment, most notably FX.
I didn't know there was a difference. I don't pay a hell of a lot of attention to this kind of thing, just want it to work when I get it.
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May 20, 2013 at 8:44 am
Revenant (5/20/2013)
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Stefan Krzywicki (5/20/2013)
I think the other thing driving annoyance over Windows 8 is that it seemed to follow Windows 7 very quickly. People were just getting used to it when 8 came along. 7 had been billed as the fix for everything wrong with Vista and it had too little time in the sun. Too much change too fast.Am I the only person in the world who didn't have issues with Vista and prefer it to Windows 7?
That being said, I'll be upgrading to Win 8 shortly. I just hope the Win 8 upgrade I bought allows me a free 8.1 upgrade. I'd hate to spend the money twice.
I also never had any problems with Vista. I don't prefer it to Windows 7, but I don't dislike it either. I think they're around equal.
If Vista were released as it was designed, it would have been a great opsys. Unfortunately lots of great features got dropped at the last moment, most notably FX.
I ended up having to get a new scanner for my wife because they never released any Vista compatible drivers. Funny thing is the same scanner automagically loaded working drivers on Win7. The printer took a couple of iterations from HP but they finally got a driver that worked.
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May 20, 2013 at 8:44 am
Stefan Krzywicki (5/20/2013)
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Stefan Krzywicki (5/20/2013)
I think the other thing driving annoyance over Windows 8 is that it seemed to follow Windows 7 very quickly. People were just getting used to it when 8 came along. 7 had been billed as the fix for everything wrong with Vista and it had too little time in the sun. Too much change too fast.Am I the only person in the world who didn't have issues with Vista and prefer it to Windows 7?
That being said, I'll be upgrading to Win 8 shortly. I just hope the Win 8 upgrade I bought allows me a free 8.1 upgrade. I'd hate to spend the money twice.
I also never had any problems with Vista. I don't prefer it to Windows 7, but I don't dislike it either. I think they're around equal.
Still have a couple machines running Vista.
Had a couple of times I got bit by driver / OS updates and had to roll back.
And once had to do a boot repair.
But overall, didn't see what all the fuss was about.
In the workplace though, some software was an issue.
But that was more of a vendor and usually some of the older / unsafe programming methods.
Having to run signed drivers is a good thing.
In spite of what some users might think.
Yes, W8 to W8.1 will be free from what I have seen too.
May 20, 2013 at 9:43 am
Brandie Tarvin (5/20/2013)
Am I the only person in the world who didn't have issues with Vista and prefer it to Windows 7?
Outside of MS employees? Perhaps. I didn't see it as a huge change, but I did think it had problems and was rather bloated. Win7 was a huge improvement, IMHO, in performance.
May 20, 2013 at 10:03 am
patrickmcginnis59 10839 (5/20/2013)
L' Eomot Inversé (5/17/2013)
patrickmcginnis59 10839 (5/15/2013)
Now can someone tell me what all the fuss is about? Please?
Not a big web user eh? Its not like people haven't been discussing this to death.
I'm not really sure how I should react to that.
You said you didn't know what all the fuss is about. I just assumed you didn't read IT related sites, ie., news sites, the sorts of websites that would discuss the pros and cons of particular products, like for instance windows 8.
Remarkable! Why would any sane speaker of English interpret it as that? I still don't know what all the fuss is about, as you certainly haven't enlightened me and neither has the vast flood of silliness posted on the web. I simply can't understand why any rational person would take the view that Windows 8 is a disaster - although people are claiming it's the biggest disaster since the invention of handed fish knives it's actually pretty harmless and nowhere near as bad as was claimed for the first release of Vista or even the first release of Windows 2000, let alone for ME (which was the second closest to justified), XP prior to SP1, NT3.5, or Windows 95 that step from Windows 3.1.1/Windows for Workgroups caused what seemed at the time to be very close to a justified storm, but looking back at where we were then and where we are now it was clearly a move in roughly the right direction).
People have indeed been discussing it to death. It appears to me to have been a discussion with much heat, little light, and far too much blind resistance to change.
Things can change for the better, things can change for the worse. Change for changes sake has its own costs, so if it doesn't bring benefits, or in windows 8's case, brings a net decrease in useability then you get all the hoopla we're seeing.
Too many such sites cover almost only (mostly imaginary) cons, because any any pro comment causes a series of silly ad-hominem attacks against its writer which deters any subsequent pro comment. As I said, too much heat and insufficient light, and a total absence of impartiality (I guess you contribute to such sites as well as here - they would like your your style very well). No decrease in usability is needed to cause such hoopla, as has been demonstrated over the decades with attacks on many other mildly innovative products.
"Blind resistance to change" is simply a casual dismissal of real people and their real preferences.
No, use of that phrase is describing what I see. Most of the hullabaloo is generated not by "real people" but by people who think they can acquire themselves a little fame by grasping this opportunity to attack Microsoft (just as equally "real people" have attacked just about every other enterprise that has ever changed its product).
edit; remove ambiguities
Tom
May 20, 2013 at 10:26 am
Sean Lange (5/20/2013)
Brandie Tarvin (5/20/2013)
Am I the only person in the world who didn't have issues with Vista and prefer it to Windows 7?No, my wife had no issues with Vista. She just had to have me figure out how to make it work with everything. 🙂
Neither did my wife - but she's a technophobe, and it was a switch from ME to Vista. I configured the machine and OS for her, left her an unprivileged login so she couldn't screw anything up, and let her get on with it - she was OK, but only uses it for email (rarely), Skype (rarely), writing and printing docs (rarely) and games (often) so doesn't need much. Printers no problem - but just one model, so not surprising. Mike, Camera no problems (only used for Skype). Setting it up was first time I'd used Vista - no problems there either, the only hard bit was finding the needed stuff to get a couple of very old games (one originally Windows 2, the other Dos 5) to work.
despite that, I didn't like Windows Vista - at work I reckoned it would have cost us too much effort to upgrade our client software to fit (as we had build a special locked down version of XP, playing around with things deep in the OS guts rather than just with apps - MS used to let us do that).
Tom
May 20, 2013 at 10:37 am
Steve Jones - SSC Editor (5/20/2013)
Brandie Tarvin (5/20/2013)
Am I the only person in the world who didn't have issues with Vista and prefer it to Windows 7?Outside of MS employees? Perhaps. I didn't see it as a huge change, but I did think it had problems and was rather bloated. Win7 was a huge improvement, IMHO, in performance.
Bloated I will definitely give you. That everything was off by default (and I do mean everything) was rather annoying the first few weeks too. I had to go in and find the stuff I wanted to turn on and it wasn't always easy to find. But I didn't find it as painful as everyone else said it was. I didn't have any issues with sudden shutdowns and system freezes, etc.
May 20, 2013 at 10:46 am
L' Eomot Inversé (5/20/2013)
... one originally Windows 2...
Wow, someone else who remembers Windows 2.0. Second piece of software I got to write for my then-employer was for Windows 2.0. Read the entire Petzold book and went through all the code samples. Only to have to upgrade it to Windows 3.0 (yeah, 3.0, not 3.1) a month or two later. Anyhow, it taught me the Win16 API inside-out, and made me the C (yes, C, not C++) expert in the department. Remember PeekMessage, TranslateMessage, DispatchMessage etc?
May 20, 2013 at 10:48 am
L' Eomot Inversé (5/20/2013)
. . . (as we had build a special locked down version of XP, playing around with things deep in the OS guts rather than just with apps - MS used to let us do that).
You can still do it but you need to start from Windows Embedded. There is a bit of paperwork around it.
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