May 15, 2013 at 1:01 pm
Stefan Krzywicki (5/15/2013)
patrickmcginnis59 10839 (5/15/2013)The whole point isn't how the complaints are overblown, the whole point here is that the complaints are getting attached to the Microsoft brand. They're relentless and eating away at Microsoft at the exact time that we're determining how the shift in computing pans out.
I've been using Microsoft products since their early days and I really can't remember a time when people weren't complaining about them. In an "end of the world" way too. It is amazing they've managed to struggle along.
Look at the difference with Apple, they are much more measured in which changes migrate to the desktop and which don't. I'm even acknowleging this and I've never personally purchased an Apple product.
And yet Apple nearly went out of business in the late 90s until Microsoft invested in them.
Keeping these two points together is key to my thinking. When Microsoft invested in Apple, Steve Jobs was just then maybe a year into his return. Like him or not, it would be worth its own thread to discuss what was more instrumental to Apples return, Mr. Jobs or the Microsoft investment. Now with Apple besting Microsoft by vast margins in new areas of the tech computing market, its worth noting that Microsoft also had a leader decrease his role in the business.
Sure we've always had detractors, heck during the NT4 days I was pretty darn negative myself. But this was during the heyday of Microsoft entering markets, especially the server market with a vengeance, Microsoft was already dominant on the desktop and the sky pretty much was the limit here. Now the entire industry is changing again, and instead of diving hard into obvious new product categories, Microsoft is trying to shoehorn an existing category into a new one. Maybe theres some voices at Redmond talking about using the existing desktop dominance to (oh whats the right word here, herd?) existing users into Microsoft's mobile computing vision, and I suspect thats probably a good reason why 8 is what it is, especially given the ease that Stardock has shown in repairing the interface, but really, if you can't compete effectively in the mobile space, you aren't going to gain marketshare by subsequently irritating your desktop users.
However, I can certainly accept that a certain percentage of the existing 8 users find it perfectly ok (heh at this point I should just copy and paste this into my replies!).
If its years and versions, thats going to be tough. This is not the time to plod along like that, especially with the glaring demonstration by startdock guys that the changes to the base product can be made by a relatively small team in comparison to Microsoft's resources.
Sure, but that's a mod to an existing product. Microsoft clearly could do this, but that's not what they want to do. They don't want to make people comfortable, they want to lead the way. Maybe a good idea, maybe not, but it is the kind of thing you have to commit to.
Well no, Stardock looks like their gaining mindshare because apparently some of us don't feel like committing to metro on the desktop. Without assistance from something like Stardock, I would in no way consider 8 considering my poor experience with the interface. I'm not even going to argue against folks calling 8 detractors somehow resistant to change, because I've taken the interface for a spin and know better. This line of debate is similar to lining up customers who have decided against your product, and berating them for their poor taste. In marketting, a mindset like that is just comical and not worth even discussing. But yes, I know this mindset well, I'm reading some of it right now, and its probably not a mindset I'm able to dissuade people of having.
The best reasoning I saw out there said that if you budget for a windows 8 desktop, budget for stardock as well. I think Microsoft could consider purchasing that company, clearly they could use the fresh thinking, pragmatism and ability to make desktops useable.
Buying a smaller company to get their tech works. Buying it to get corporate culture/fresh thinking, etc... just about never does.
Heck I'd wager that with Stardock it really is the fresh thinking, and I bet (and hope) theres some folks at Redmond paying attention. Heck, Apples resurgance has much to do with them purchasing Next, and Steve Jobs is nothing if not a corporate cultural icon.
May 16, 2013 at 6:33 am
Why isn't it Friday yet?
May 16, 2013 at 6:38 am
jasona.work (5/16/2013)
Why isn't it Friday yet?
Because you're living on the wrong continent. Or the wrong planet.
It's Friday somewhere that you are not. @=)
May 16, 2013 at 6:54 am
Brandie Tarvin (5/16/2013)
jasona.work (5/16/2013)
Why isn't it Friday yet?Because you're living on the wrong continent. Or the wrong planet.
It's Friday somewhere that you are not. @=)
I'm going to get that on a t-shirt...
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May 16, 2013 at 7:32 am
Brandie Tarvin (5/16/2013)
jasona.work (5/16/2013)
Why isn't it Friday yet?Because you're living on the wrong continent. Or the wrong planet.
It's Friday somewhere that you are not. @=)
Is this the same philosophy that says "It's 5:00 somewhere - I'll have a drink!"?
May 16, 2013 at 7:37 am
dbursey (5/16/2013)
Brandie Tarvin (5/16/2013)
jasona.work (5/16/2013)
Why isn't it Friday yet?Because you're living on the wrong continent. Or the wrong planet.
It's Friday somewhere that you are not. @=)
Is this the same philosophy that says "It's 5:00 somewhere - I'll have a drink!"?
Not quite. See "Friday somewhere" indicates other people get to have a fun weekend whereas "you" are stuck working and slaving and not having a fun upcoming weekend. So, kind of the opposite philosophy, actually.
Think more like, " No matter how hard you try, it will always be Friday somewhere you are not." Sort of like the old "life's a beach and then you drown" philosophy.
May 16, 2013 at 7:46 am
HA! Microsoft does it again. (sort of)
Damn Excel! How the 'most important software application of all time' is ruining the world
May 16, 2013 at 7:50 am
Brandie Tarvin (5/16/2013)
HA! Microsoft does it again. (sort of)Damn Excel! How the 'most important software application of all time' is ruining the world
Well, to be fair it is people using it wrong. The usual reason.
What's the phrase? It's a poor carpenter who blames their tools.
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May 16, 2013 at 7:58 am
Wait.... It's not always Friday somewhere. Unlike 5:00 (or after 5:00).
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May 16, 2013 at 8:05 am
The Dixie Flatline (5/16/2013)
Wait.... It's not always Friday somewhere. Unlike 5:00 (or after 5:00).
I guess it would depend on the calendar used on other planets...
I mean, it *could* be Friday...
On Mars (maybe Sojurner is hoisting a tall cold one right now!)
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May 16, 2013 at 8:10 am
Not to mention alternate universes.
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May 16, 2013 at 8:35 am
The Dixie Flatline (5/16/2013)
Not to mention alternate universes.
But you just did.
May 16, 2013 at 8:50 am
Chad Crawford (5/16/2013)
The Dixie Flatline (5/16/2013)
Not to mention alternate universes.But you just did.
Darn those picky details...
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May 16, 2013 at 10:43 am
jasona.work (5/16/2013)
Why isn't it Friday yet?
It's thursday-palooza. Hour late start for school 🙂
May 16, 2013 at 10:47 am
I vote in favor of it being Friday.
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