December 17, 2008 at 10:21 am
GilaMonster (12/17/2008)
Jonathan Kehayias (12/17/2008)
Why can't I use a MessageBox.Show() in my Assembly.
<Blink> WT#@$#%$%^????????
To me that shows a fundamental lack of understanding of SQL, CLR within SQL or probably both.
Definately both. Someone who understands SQL and what a Database Server is and should do are like Jeff and don't see that CLR should exist in the database server. It is to easily abused and it is rarely applied correctly to solve problems and rather than learn the right tool for the job at hand developers pound a screw in with a sledge hammer because that is all they have. Now to Jeff's credit he does recognize the appropriate uses, but we rarely ever see them in the forums. Lots of off the wall crazy stuff like how to do remoting, call WCF Services, use LINQ to SQL, use SMO (though I could definately see some good uses here at times), the limits of the things people try knows no bounds. Can they do it, probably, but not safely, and BizTalk would be a better approach since it is the tool for tying a bunch of SOA parts together.
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December 17, 2008 at 10:25 am
Jeffrey Williams (12/17/2008)
This really shows a fundamental lack of understanding client/server principles. And here I was, thinking that was basic knowledge that any programmer in IT should know.
Go figure 😉
One could only hope for such an environment. I tend to be ahead of the developers at my company on technology and new coding practices, and I can generally architect a better solution than any of them could. Not sure if that is because I am a ubber geek (which I am) or if it is because they are mostly web based and therefore don't care about the client/server/middle tier technologies that exist.
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December 17, 2008 at 10:29 am
Jonathan Kehayias (12/17/2008)
One could only hope for such an environment. I tend to be ahead of the developers at my company on technology and new coding practices, and I can generally architect a better solution than any of them could. Not sure if that is because I am a ubber geek (which I am) or if it is because they are mostly web based and therefore don't care about the client/server/middle tier technologies that exist.
Huh, architect?:D
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December 17, 2008 at 10:33 am
This is always a problem in forums for experts. My advice (worth every penny) is that all you experts refrain from answering these types of question unless some newbie gives the wrong answer.
December 17, 2008 at 10:33 am
Grant Fritchey (12/17/2008)
Google & BOL aside, they've managed to find their way to this site, navigate to the forums, type their question.... Didn't even a one of them look up & to the right at the little box labeled "Search." More people would answer more of their questions, quicker, if they just did that much.
One thing to take into account. To an increasing degree these days - a lot of people are likely ending up here thanks to the old F1 key. I get more hits to here from the search inside of SSMS than I do to BOL, and often times, they're higher ranked than the Books online stuff.
Steve will probably kill me for saying this - but it's a shame there doesn't seem to be a good way to ONLY search BOL from the built-in search interface. I mean - I'm there usually after having run my own search on SSC, so I don't really need to see those sources again.
I've received a few "pointed" responses from some folks about that, after I'd suggested they hit the books some more.
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Your lack of planning does not constitute an emergency on my part...unless you're my manager...or a director and above...or a really loud-spoken end-user..All right - what was my emergency again?
December 17, 2008 at 10:37 am
Good point Matt.
However, if F1 got them here, shouldn't they be on a topic or article that, if read, probably already contained the answer they decided to post?
December 17, 2008 at 10:42 am
Matt Miller (12/17/2008)
Grant Fritchey (12/17/2008)
Google & BOL aside, they've managed to find their way to this site, navigate to the forums, type their question.... Didn't even a one of them look up & to the right at the little box labeled "Search." More people would answer more of their questions, quicker, if they just did that much.One thing to take into account. To an increasing degree these days - a lot of people are likely ending up here thanks to the old F1 key. I get more hits to here from the search inside of SSMS than I do to BOL, and often times, they're higher ranked than the Books online stuff.
Steve will probably kill me for saying this - but it's a shame there doesn't seem to be a good way to ONLY search BOL from the built-in search interface. I mean - I'm there usually after having run my own search on SSC, so I don't really need to see those sources again.
I've received a few "pointed" responses from some folks about that, after I'd suggested they hit the books some more.
Yeah, that is true. I'm always a bit surprised to see an article from here pop up when I'm searching through help.
Don't tell Steve, but there is a way to make BOL stay offline. You just have to mark it Local Only in the options.
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December 17, 2008 at 10:48 am
Grant Fritchey (12/17/2008)
Matt Miller (12/17/2008)
Grant Fritchey (12/17/2008)
Google & BOL aside, they've managed to find their way to this site, navigate to the forums, type their question.... Didn't even a one of them look up & to the right at the little box labeled "Search." More people would answer more of their questions, quicker, if they just did that much.One thing to take into account. To an increasing degree these days - a lot of people are likely ending up here thanks to the old F1 key. I get more hits to here from the search inside of SSMS than I do to BOL, and often times, they're higher ranked than the Books online stuff.
Steve will probably kill me for saying this - but it's a shame there doesn't seem to be a good way to ONLY search BOL from the built-in search interface. I mean - I'm there usually after having run my own search on SSC, so I don't really need to see those sources again.
I've received a few "pointed" responses from some folks about that, after I'd suggested they hit the books some more.
Yeah, that is true. I'm always a bit surprised to see an article from here pop up when I'm searching through help.
Don't tell Steve, but there is a way to make BOL stay offline. You just have to mark it Local Only in the options.
True - I was just hoping for something at the search level (not something global for ALL searches). I know - I'm picky:).
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December 17, 2008 at 11:43 am
Grant Fritchey (12/17/2008)
Isn't it difficult to walk with the silver spoon thing?
That's why they only Talk the Talk.
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December 17, 2008 at 11:49 am
Jonathan Kehayias (12/17/2008)
Just go read the SQLCLR forums and you will find a whole new level of WOW. I learned a whole lot about what not to do, trying to solve peoples problems in CLR integration. My favorite is:Why can't I use a MessageBox.Show() in my Assembly.
BWAH-HA-Ha-hahaha!!!
Heh, yeah, I've seen that one too, and all I can think is "Client. Server. You're just not getting it, are you?"
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December 17, 2008 at 12:56 pm
Grant Fritchey (12/17/2008)
Don't tell Steve, but there is a way to make BOL stay offline. You just have to mark it Local Only in the options.
That's always the first thing I do with a new Books Online. If I want to search the internet, I'll use google. If I'm searching books online, I want to search only books online.
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December 18, 2008 at 12:12 am
I haven't seen this for a while.
is the set "SET CPU_ UTILISATION LOW" is the query to set the cpu utilisation low..
http://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/FindPost621760.aspx
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December 18, 2008 at 6:42 am
This is one of the bests.
http://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic621736-146-1.aspx
There is no question. I like to answer these with a "Yes".
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December 18, 2008 at 6:57 am
There's a question, it's just not obvious.
The guy abviously has troubles with the english written language. Nothing to be made fun of guys!!!!!!1
December 18, 2008 at 7:02 am
The question could be about anything. SSIS, SSRS. There is not response to Barry's question and no question in the post. If you need answers you ask question in the post, not the title. As above is not a quesiton. I mean there is a whole lot of stuff above the post.
The whole idea of this thread is that people want answers and don't take the time to post a detailed question. In this case posting, how do I tell a if a field in a table is based on a formula, wouldn't have too hard to type. Also they want answers, but when you ask them a question in reply you get no response.
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