Are the posted questions getting worse?
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Oh, heavens. A non-tech webcomic commenting on data consistency.
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Brandie Tarvin (2/7/2013)
Oh, heavens. A non-tech webcomic commenting on data consistency.Excellent!
"The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood"
- Theodore RooseveltAuthor of:
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Grant Fritchey (2/7/2013)
Brandie Tarvin (2/7/2013)
Oh, heavens. A non-tech webcomic commenting on data consistency.Excellent!
Huh, I wonder how many situations like that would actually have been helpful. Perhaps I'll start compiling them in a book for my son. Learn from my painful experience. "Even if you're getting a degree that seems worthless at the time, any degree is better to get at 22 than working fulltime and going to school with a family at 35. Degrees don't decide your future, you do"
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Tally Table:What it is and how it replaces a loop[/url]"stewsterl 80804 (10/16/2009)I guess when you stop and try to understand the solution provided you not only learn, but save yourself some headaches when you need to make any slight changes."
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jcrawf02 (2/7/2013)
Grant Fritchey (2/7/2013)
Brandie Tarvin (2/7/2013)
Oh, heavens. A non-tech webcomic commenting on data consistency.Excellent!
Huh, I wonder how many situations like that would actually have been helpful. Perhaps I'll start compiling them in a book for my son. Learn from my painful experience. "Even if you're getting a degree that seems worthless at the time, any degree is better to get at 22 than working fulltime and going to school with a family at 35. Degrees don't decide your future, you do"
Now that's funny because I'd say exactly the opposite. Degrees really, really matter but MOST of them are probably useless (saying that with no degrees and still employed at 49).
"The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood"
- Theodore RooseveltAuthor of:
SQL Server Execution Plans
SQL Server Query Performance Tuning -
Grant Fritchey (2/7/2013)
Now that's funny because I'd say exactly the opposite. Degrees really, really matter but MOST of them are probably useless (saying that with no degrees and still employed at 49).
I'm torn on this. I think a degree at 22 is valuable in that it helps shortcut some experience. Not necessarily a lot, but there's a maturity factor in having to complete this long project that matters. I do think degrees are mattering less, and with the cost, I'd like to see them removed as a litmus test in deciding to interview someone. I'd rather have an essay, or project/portfolio, or something else presented instead.
I don't think the degree matters for the most part. I do see a lot of complaints on various subjects, women's studies being a classic one, however most degree programs don't include practical experience on a particular topic. There are exceptions (engineering for one), but of all the people I've met in business, many of them had English, religion, philosophy, art history, etc. degrees and they were still successful. Plenty of people with "business" degrees didn't know what they were really doing. Critical thinking, communication, analysis, these are the skills that you should learn, and learn to apply in different ways. That's important if the degree in whatever subject you choose, will help you later.
In our business, I'd say it is less important, or maybe unimportant, compared to attitude, aptitude and desire to work with computers.
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Steve Jones - SSC Editor (2/7/2013)
Grant Fritchey (2/7/2013)
Now that's funny because I'd say exactly the opposite. Degrees really, really matter but MOST of them are probably useless (saying that with no degrees and still employed at 49).
I'm torn on this. I think a degree at 22 is valuable in that it helps shortcut some experience. Not necessarily a lot, but there's a maturity factor in having to complete this long project that matters. I do think degrees are mattering less, and with the cost, I'd like to see them removed as a litmus test in deciding to interview someone. I'd rather have an essay, or project/portfolio, or something else presented instead.
I don't think the degree matters for the most part. I do see a lot of complaints on various subjects, women's studies being a classic one, however most degree programs don't include practical experience on a particular topic. There are exceptions (engineering for one), but of all the people I've met in business, many of them had English, religion, philosophy, art history, etc. degrees and they were still successful. Plenty of people with "business" degrees didn't know what they were really doing. Critical thinking, communication, analysis, these are the skills that you should learn, and learn to apply in different ways. That's important if the degree in whatever subject you choose, will help you later.
In our business, I'd say it is less important, or maybe unimportant, compared to attitude, aptitude and desire to work with computers.
Agree with you guys, but you're having a different discussion than I am. I went to college for 5 years but didn't finish when I was 22, in Jazz Performance. Now I'm 35 and working fulltime, with a family, trying to get an online degree for the last 6 years with the potential for 5 more due to monetary and time constraints. If I had just finished then, I would have a degree of some sort, and would have been able to just get certifications or experience to prove my skills, while still having a degree which removes that glass ceiling (whether I agree with it being there or not). I'm causing undue stress and financial burden on my family that could have been completely avoided.
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How best to post your question[/url]
How to post performance problems[/url]
Tally Table:What it is and how it replaces a loop[/url]"stewsterl 80804 (10/16/2009)I guess when you stop and try to understand the solution provided you not only learn, but save yourself some headaches when you need to make any slight changes."
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O.M.G. SQL Server is using the wrong index!
No piling on now! It's okay to look, but no piling on!
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Grant Fritchey (2/7/2013)
Now that's funny because I'd say exactly the opposite. Degrees really, really matter but MOST of them are probably useless (saying that with no degrees and still employed at 49).I agree with you to a large extent (with a couple of degrees but mostly unemployed at 68), but I'm not sure that MOST degrees are useless - they rally matter, and the technical subject matter learnt for a degree is mostly useless. But that doesn't mean that the degrees are mostly useless. Back when I was a junior manager I had a lot of people working for me with degrees in crazy things which appeared to be utterly irrelevant to software development (music, history, theology, fine arts, ... you name it, someone on my team probably had it) but their degrees were actually useful, because doing the degree had taught them not just how to write a figured bass, or what were William's motives in invading England in 1066, or whatever the particular subject matter required, but also communication skills, analytic skills, straightforward logic, and a firm belief that they didn't know it all. Of course there were one or two whose degrees were a hindrance, because getting a good degree had convinced them that (a) they already knew everything so there was no further need to learn and (b) the world owed them a living, but they were a tiny minority. if I'd had lots of people with MBAs that minority might have been a majority, but it was long enough ago that MBAs were very rare and I didn't have any at all. Often people without degrees needed training in critical thinking and applying simple logic and communicating, skills that they would have gotten as part of any decent degree course (and despite the explosion of degrees in content-free non-subjects that is still true of most degrees from decent educational institutions like MIT or Stanford in the USA or Oxford or St Andrew's in the UK - and of many many others in those countries and throughout much of the world) so clearly most degrees (other than those in non-subjects) are useful to at least some extent.
Tom
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Steve Jones - SSC Editor (2/7/2013)
Critical thinking, communication, analysis, these are the skills that you should learn, and learn to apply in different ways. That's important if the degree in whatever subject you choose, will help you later.I think it would be a good thing to cancel the licence of any institution that didn't teach and test for those things to grant degrees. In theory but certainly not in practise that is the case in the UK, it would probably be unconstitutional restraint of trade in the US, and I haven't a clue what the situation is in the rest of teh world.
In our business, I'd say it is less important, or maybe unimportant, compared to attitude, aptitude and desire to work with computers.
The trouble with that is "aptitude". Aptitude can be a learnt thing, rather than something inherent. Critical thinking is something that usually has to be taught, and if you think a high school diploma indicates that it has been taught and learnt you are, I think, wrong. The same applies to analysis. And clearly someone with no ability to think critically or to do (logical) analysis has no aptitude for our business. Also, communication is something that sometimes needs to be taught, and is generally not taught below university level (except for the privileged few children whose parents teach them it). That suggests that a degree will often be important.
Tom
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It is morning and my muscles want exercise. Walking, running, jumping jacks, whatever.
It is morning, and my boss wants "butt in chair" work.
Sigh. Sometimes I hate my life. Why don't we have cyberware headjacks that transmit to our desktops so I can exercise & work at the same time?
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Brandie Tarvin (2/8/2013)
It is morning and my muscles want exercise. Walking, running, jumping jacks, whatever.It is morning, and my boss wants "butt in chair" work.
Sigh. Sometimes I hate my life. Why don't we have cyberware headjacks that transmit to our desktops so I can exercise & work at the same time?
Perhaps one of the products from this site would be helpful: http://www.treadmilldeskinc.com/
Jason Wolfkill
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Brandie Tarvin (2/8/2013)
It is morning and my muscles want exercise. Walking, running, jumping jacks, whatever.You may not be aware what a jumping jack is on this side of the pond. I can't imagine you want to use something like this
as an exercise tool, and the other British meaning of "jumping jacks" involves - no, I dare not write it in a forum with so many innocent participants :hehe:
Of course it is rather amusing to speculate on what may be covered by that "whatever" when it follows jumping jacks. :w00t:
Tom
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Brandie Tarvin (2/8/2013)
It is morning and my muscles want exercise. Walking, running, jumping jacks, whatever.It is morning, and my boss wants "butt in chair" work.
Sigh. Sometimes I hate my life. Why don't we have cyberware headjacks that transmit to our desktops so I can exercise & work at the same time?
Just do 100 burpees for time. Quick, easy, the room will be spinning and you can do it right next to the desk.
"The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood"
- Theodore RooseveltAuthor of:
SQL Server Execution Plans
SQL Server Query Performance Tuning -
I think I know someone who may be looking for a new job.
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