September 4, 2012 at 7:29 am
Note: I'm from England.
I was once taken aside by a manager and told off for pronouncing "router" as "root-er" to one of our American clients. I was told that it's similar to an American English profanity. I've never heard it used in UK English as a profanity and would like to call "lies" on the UD definition.
September 4, 2012 at 7:49 am
Cadavre (9/4/2012)
Note: I'm from England.I was once taken aside by a manager and told off for pronouncing "router" as "root-er" to one of our American clients. I was told that it's similar to an American English profanity. I've never heard it used in UK English as a profanity and would like to call "lies" on the UD definition.
The profane usage was - uncommonly - used in the NE of Scotland when I was a kid.
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September 4, 2012 at 8:17 am
I have to say the accents, accentuation on syllables, and pronunciation of certain words definitely throw me when talking to people in the UK. Especially on conference calls. There are times I really can't make out what people mean, but over time I learn to do a quick translation.
R-ooooo-ter might throw me for a bit talking with the IT guy at Red Gate, but I'd quickly learn that he meant "r-ow-ter" according to my American English.
September 4, 2012 at 1:22 pm
OK, not my day. Not sure how to break the news here that this person is in way, way, over their head.
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September 4, 2012 at 1:34 pm
Steve Jones - SSC Editor (9/4/2012)
OK, not my day. Not sure how to break the news here that this person is in way, way, over their head.http://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic1353224-2799-2.aspx#bm1354093
Not who I thought you were going to point to.
September 4, 2012 at 1:47 pm
I'm sure there's more than one, but this slightly worries me. Someone that can't pipe things to a file and can't install SQL Server is likely not someone I want developing anything.
September 4, 2012 at 1:48 pm
On the subject of pronunciation I would like to make it clear that we look after d-ay-tabases, not d-ar-tabases
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September 4, 2012 at 2:16 pm
Steve Jones - SSC Editor (9/4/2012)
OK, not my day. Not sure how to break the news here that this person is in way, way, over their head.http://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic1353224-2799-2.aspx#bm1354093
No kidding. And he's following an exam study guide... 🙁
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September 4, 2012 at 3:01 pm
george sibbald (9/4/2012)
On the subject of pronunciation I would like to make it clear that we look after d-ay-tabases, not d-ar-tabases🙂
I can't imagine anyone saying d-ar-tabases, but maybe you are from somewhere where r after a vowel is unpronounced and are trying to indicate a long a (like the "aa" in "aardvark") by sticking an r after it? I would write "ah" rather than "ar" for that, because "ah" is an English word consisting of a single long a vowel.
A long 'a' sound instead of the "ay" dipthong is presumably an attempt at Latin pronunciation. A failed attempt, at that, since the a in Latin datum and the first a in its plural form, data, are short not long.
Surely the usual English pronunciation has the "ay" sound, even in the USA - in fact everywhere English is spoken, except possibly Australia where we might get "die-ta"?
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September 4, 2012 at 5:02 pm
L' Eomot Inversé (9/4/2012)
Of course I haven't a clue about the version of the language used in Australia or New Zealand.
I just checked with Rob Farley and it's just as rude in Oz 🙂
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September 4, 2012 at 5:16 pm
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george sibbald (9/4/2012)
On the subject of pronunciation I would like to make it clear that we look after d-ay-tabases, not d-ar-tabases🙂
I can't imagine anyone saying d-ar-tabases, but maybe you are from somewhere where r after a vowel is unpronounced and are trying to indicate a long a (like the "aa" in "aardvark") by sticking an r after it? I would write "ah" rather than "ar" for that, because "ah" is an English word consisting of a single long a vowel.
A long 'a' sound instead of the "ay" dipthong is presumably an attempt at Latin pronunciation. A failed attempt, at that, since the a in Latin datum and the first a in its plural form, data, are short not long.
Surely the usual English pronunciation has the "ay" sound, even in the USA - in fact everywhere English is spoken, except possibly Australia where we might get "die-ta"?
I was light heartedly alluding to the difference in pronounciation between the UK and australia\NZ, so, er, yes. Not sure americans don't say 'dah-ta' though.
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September 4, 2012 at 5:34 pm
george sibbald (9/4/2012)
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george sibbald (9/4/2012)
On the subject of pronunciation I would like to make it clear that we look after d-ay-tabases, not d-ar-tabases🙂
I can't imagine anyone saying d-ar-tabases, but maybe you are from somewhere where r after a vowel is unpronounced and are trying to indicate a long a (like the "aa" in "aardvark") by sticking an r after it? I would write "ah" rather than "ar" for that, because "ah" is an English word consisting of a single long a vowel.
A long 'a' sound instead of the "ay" dipthong is presumably an attempt at Latin pronunciation. A failed attempt, at that, since the a in Latin datum and the first a in its plural form, data, are short not long.
Surely the usual English pronunciation has the "ay" sound, even in the USA - in fact everywhere English is spoken, except possibly Australia where we might get "die-ta"?
I was light heartedly alluding to the difference in pronounciation between the UK and australia\NZ, so, er, yes. Not sure americans don't say 'dah-ta' though.
Too close to 'Dah-ling'. 😉
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September 4, 2012 at 6:34 pm
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george sibbald (9/4/2012)
On the subject of pronunciation I would like to make it clear that we look after d-ay-tabases, not d-ar-tabases🙂
I can't imagine anyone saying d-ar-tabases, but maybe you are from somewhere where r after a vowel is unpronounced and are trying to indicate a long a (like the "aa" in "aardvark") by sticking an r after it? I would write "ah" rather than "ar" for that, because "ah" is an English word consisting of a single long a vowel.
A long 'a' sound instead of the "ay" dipthong is presumably an attempt at Latin pronunciation. A failed attempt, at that, since the a in Latin datum and the first a in its plural form, data, are short not long.
Surely the usual English pronunciation has the "ay" sound, even in the USA - in fact everywhere English is spoken, except possibly Australia where we might get "die-ta"?
I was light heartedly alluding to the difference in pronounciation between the UK and australia\NZ, so, er, yes. Not sure americans don't say 'dah-ta' though.
I'm American and i can't say I've ever heard an Americal say "dah-ta-base" - always "day-ta-base." On the other hand, "day-ta" and "dah-ta" are probably equally common, although "day-ta" may be slightly more popular. My old boss used to sometimes use "dah-ta-base" but he was English (or NZ or Oz depending on what passport he had in his pocket that day).
As to "row-t" vs. "root" - I casually slip between both. "Rooter" is not an American profanity, although i've heard it is in the King's English, somewhere (can't remember where). Oz perhaps as SQL Kiwi suggested.
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September 4, 2012 at 6:37 pm
The only thing that comes to mind for Root-er to me is something that digs for roots as its food, or when oddly describing how a tree functions. Otherwise, everything else is basically Rowt-er from the cities I've lived in (all over), allowing for local accenting. Directing data or carving wood, same pronounciation... it'd actually be nice if we did it different just to differentiate.
Neither is a profanity in the Americas, however, unless I've seriously missed something over the last few years.
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September 4, 2012 at 10:33 pm
I am trying to be good, but sometimes I would really like to shoot that high horse.
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