Are the posted questions getting worse?

  • SQL Kiwi (8/22/2012)


    GilaMonster (8/22/2012)


    No, I meant the one you're posting in. Order by in an insert.

    Oh right. I wonder what he'll come up with next on that one.

    Possibly try to redefine the word "Order" or "Insert". I'm done, not going back. That one refutation was all I was going to post there.

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  • Grant Fritchey (8/22/2012)


    GilaMonster (8/22/2012)


    Grrr. Why do some people want to nitpick holes in things I say and do it in a way that sounds very much like a personal attack?

    Same reason you get all sorts of picky little nits thrown at you when you write an article. People are trying to play "stump the chump" but lose track of who the chump is supposed to be.

    Nitpicking I can take, this is getting well beyond that.

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  • GilaMonster (8/22/2012)


    Yes, same one, and it's the thread with Paul involved.

    "But it's not the only target people could chase with the statement, would you agree?"

    Strange way to elicit a response.

    The post containing this quote is quite provocative, but he's merely twisting words, there's no evidence. What argument could he provide evidence for? Perhaps this could be developed into an argument-stopping strategy;

    "Can you provide code-based evidence for that?"

    "Evidence for what?"

    "Whatever your argument is"

    😉

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  • GilaMonster (8/22/2012)

    Nitpicking I can take, this is getting well beyond that.

    I have to say Gail that it was a fascinating thread up to a point, and your examples and explanations were interesting.

    But it has descended a bit into "Is this a five minute argument or the full half hour" type of level and I gave up before you did.

  • RBYoung (8/21/2012)


    Hmmm, I think that I accidentally used my old (very old) account. sorry ...

    Brightened my morning. 😀

  • BrainDonor (8/22/2012)


    GilaMonster (8/22/2012)

    Nitpicking I can take, this is getting well beyond that.

    I have to say Gail that it was a fascinating thread up to a point, and your examples and explanations were interesting.

    But it has descended a bit into "Is this a five minute argument or the full half hour" type of level and I gave up before you did.

    I pretty much decided enough was enough when the definitions of 'before' and 'after' were brought into question.

    Gail Shaw
    Microsoft Certified Master: SQL Server, MVP, M.Sc (Comp Sci)
    SQL In The Wild: Discussions on DB performance with occasional diversions into recoverability

    We walk in the dark places no others will enter
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  • GilaMonster (8/22/2012)


    BrainDonor (8/22/2012)


    GilaMonster (8/22/2012)

    Nitpicking I can take, this is getting well beyond that.

    I have to say Gail that it was a fascinating thread up to a point, and your examples and explanations were interesting.

    But it has descended a bit into "Is this a five minute argument or the full half hour" type of level and I gave up before you did.

    I pretty much decided enough was enough when the definitions of 'before' and 'after' were brought into question.

    You're arguing with Bill Clinton?

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  • jcrawf02 (8/22/2012)


    GilaMonster (8/22/2012)


    BrainDonor (8/22/2012)


    GilaMonster (8/22/2012)

    Nitpicking I can take, this is getting well beyond that.

    I have to say Gail that it was a fascinating thread up to a point, and your examples and explanations were interesting.

    But it has descended a bit into "Is this a five minute argument or the full half hour" type of level and I gave up before you did.

    I pretty much decided enough was enough when the definitions of 'before' and 'after' were brought into question.

    You're arguing with Bill Clinton?

    <woosh>

    That would be the sound of what I assume to be a joke going right over my head.

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    SQL In The Wild: Discussions on DB performance with occasional diversions into recoverability

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    We stand on the bridge and no one may pass
  • GilaMonster (8/22/2012)


    jcrawf02 (8/22/2012)


    GilaMonster (8/22/2012)


    BrainDonor (8/22/2012)


    GilaMonster (8/22/2012)

    Nitpicking I can take, this is getting well beyond that.

    I have to say Gail that it was a fascinating thread up to a point, and your examples and explanations were interesting.

    But it has descended a bit into "Is this a five minute argument or the full half hour" type of level and I gave up before you did.

    I pretty much decided enough was enough when the definitions of 'before' and 'after' were brought into question.

    You're arguing with Bill Clinton?

    <woosh>

    That would be the sound of what I assume to be a joke going right over my head.

    Bill Clinton once said "Define intercourse" ... or maybe "define sex"... in an interview about a sex scandal he was involved in with a White House intern.

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  • Brandie Tarvin (8/22/2012)


    GilaMonster (8/22/2012)


    jcrawf02 (8/22/2012)


    GilaMonster (8/22/2012)


    BrainDonor (8/22/2012)


    GilaMonster (8/22/2012)

    Nitpicking I can take, this is getting well beyond that.

    I have to say Gail that it was a fascinating thread up to a point, and your examples and explanations were interesting.

    But it has descended a bit into "Is this a five minute argument or the full half hour" type of level and I gave up before you did.

    I pretty much decided enough was enough when the definitions of 'before' and 'after' were brought into question.

    You're arguing with Bill Clinton?

    <woosh>

    That would be the sound of what I assume to be a joke going right over my head.

    Bill Clinton once said "Define intercourse" ... or maybe "define sex"... in an interview about a sex scandal he was involved in with a White House intern.

    Why should it ever have been a scandal to anyone but his wife and kid(s)?

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  • GilaMonster (8/22/2012)


    Grrr. Why do some people want to nitpick holes in things I say and do it in a way that sounds very much like a personal attack?

    Reptile-hater?

  • Allow me to correct myself.

    ChrisM@Work (8/22/2012)


    Brandie Tarvin (8/22/2012)


    President Bill Clinton once said "Define intercourse" ... or maybe "define sex"... in an interview about a sex scandal he was involved in with a White House intern.

    Why should it ever have been a scandal to anyone but his wife and kid(s)?

    POTUS got caught with his pants down while he was in office. The idea of POTUS spending time in the Oval Office having sex with an intern rather than leading the country annoyed a lot of people. I know there are other countries where this is business as usual, but we in the States like to pretend our leaders have some semblence of loyalty to their spouses.

    It go so bad that senate impeached President Clinton for covering up the issue ("I did not have sex with Monica Lewinsky!") ... I think the vote passed. I don't quite remember. And while the senate and house politicians were busy decrying his behavior, media outlets were busy offering rewards to anyone who could prove his most vocal critics were themselves having extra-marital affairs. And a whole bunch of card houses came a tumbling down.

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  • Brandie Tarvin (8/22/2012)


    Allow me to correct myself.

    ChrisM@Work (8/22/2012)


    Brandie Tarvin (8/22/2012)


    President Bill Clinton once said "Define intercourse" ... or maybe "define sex"... in an interview about a sex scandal he was involved in with a White House intern.

    Why should it ever have been a scandal to anyone but his wife and kid(s)?

    POTUS got caught with his pants down while he was in office. The idea of POTUS spending time in the Oval Office having sex with an intern rather than leading the country annoyed a lot of people. I know there are other countries where this is business as usual, but we in the States like to pretend our leaders have some semblence of loyalty to their spouses.

    It go so bad that senate impeached President Clinton for covering up the issue ("I did not have sex with Monica Lewinsky!") ... I think the vote passed. I don't quite remember. And while the senate and house politicians were busy decrying his behavior, media outlets were busy offering rewards to anyone who could prove his most vocal critics were themselves having extra-marital affairs. And a whole bunch of card houses came a tumbling down.

    It did not pass. The vote passed the house (where the leaders of the investigation were having affairs themselves), which is why they had the Senate trial, but not the Senate, which is why he didn't have to step down from office.

    It only came to light because the Republicans in the House spent $500 million on a fishing expedition to find anything they could that Clinton may have done wrong. I don't know about you, but I'm a lot more upset that they spent $500,000,000 of the taxpayers money on an attempt at a power grab than that Clinton had a consentual affair.

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  • Stefan Krzywicki (8/22/2012)


    Brandie Tarvin (8/22/2012)


    Allow me to correct myself.

    ChrisM@Work (8/22/2012)


    Brandie Tarvin (8/22/2012)


    President Bill Clinton once said "Define intercourse" ... or maybe "define sex"... in an interview about a sex scandal he was involved in with a White House intern.

    Why should it ever have been a scandal to anyone but his wife and kid(s)?

    POTUS got caught with his pants down while he was in office. The idea of POTUS spending time in the Oval Office having sex with an intern rather than leading the country annoyed a lot of people. I know there are other countries where this is business as usual, but we in the States like to pretend our leaders have some semblence of loyalty to their spouses.

    It go so bad that senate impeached President Clinton for covering up the issue ("I did not have sex with Monica Lewinsky!") ... I think the vote passed. I don't quite remember. And while the senate and house politicians were busy decrying his behavior, media outlets were busy offering rewards to anyone who could prove his most vocal critics were themselves having extra-marital affairs. And a whole bunch of card houses came a tumbling down.

    It did not pass. The vote passed the house (where the leaders of the investigation were having affairs themselves), which is why they had the Senate trial, but not the Senate, which is why he didn't have to step down from office.

    It only came to light because the Republicans in the House spent $500 million on a fishing expedition to find anything they could that Clinton may have done wrong. I don't know about you, but I'm a lot more upset that they spent $500,000,000 of the taxpayers money on an attempt at a power grab than that Clinton had a consentual affair.

    I more upset that he just didn't admit it and accept responsibility, but then what would you expect from a politician.

  • Stefan Krzywicki (8/22/2012)


    Brandie Tarvin (8/22/2012)


    Allow me to correct myself.

    ChrisM@Work (8/22/2012)


    Brandie Tarvin (8/22/2012)


    President Bill Clinton once said "Define intercourse" ... or maybe "define sex"... in an interview about a sex scandal he was involved in with a White House intern.

    Why should it ever have been a scandal to anyone but his wife and kid(s)?

    POTUS got caught with his pants down while he was in office. The idea of POTUS spending time in the Oval Office having sex with an intern rather than leading the country annoyed a lot of people. I know there are other countries where this is business as usual, but we in the States like to pretend our leaders have some semblence of loyalty to their spouses.

    It go so bad that senate impeached President Clinton for covering up the issue ("I did not have sex with Monica Lewinsky!") ... I think the vote passed. I don't quite remember. And while the senate and house politicians were busy decrying his behavior, media outlets were busy offering rewards to anyone who could prove his most vocal critics were themselves having extra-marital affairs. And a whole bunch of card houses came a tumbling down.

    It did not pass. The vote passed the house (where the leaders of the investigation were having affairs themselves), which is why they had the Senate trial, but not the Senate, which is why he didn't have to step down from office.

    It only came to light because the Republicans in the House spent $500 million on a fishing expedition to find anything they could that Clinton may have done wrong. I don't know about you, but I'm a lot more upset that they spent $500,000,000 of the taxpayers money on an attempt at a power grab than that Clinton had a consentual affair.

    That's almost as much as Dwain C spends on a fishing expedition, and he has to put them back too.

    “Write the query the simplest way. If through testing it becomes clear that the performance is inadequate, consider alternative query forms.” - Gail Shaw

    For fast, accurate and documented assistance in answering your questions, please read this article.
    Understanding and using APPLY, (I) and (II) Paul White
    Hidden RBAR: Triangular Joins / The "Numbers" or "Tally" Table: What it is and how it replaces a loop Jeff Moden

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