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Grant Fritchey SSC Guru Points: 398909 More actions · Answer 1

Google & BOL aside, they've managed to find their way to this site, navigate to the forums, type their question.... Didn't even a one of them look up & to the right at the little box labeled "Search." More people would answer more of their questions, quicker, if they just did that much.

"The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood"
- Theodore Roosevelt

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Gail Shaw SSC Guru Points: 1004504 More actions · Answer 2

r.hensbergen (12/17/2008)
Do posters think we're answering bots instead of real people?

I suspect that some do, or think that we work for SSC. I recall someone apologising after I pointed out that I was helping him out for free, in my spare time

Gail Shaw
Microsoft Certified Master: SQL Server, MVP, M.Sc (Comp Sci)
SQL In The Wild: Discussions on DB performance with occasional diversions into recoverability

We walk in the dark places no others will enter
We stand on the bridge and no one may pass

Jeff Moden SSC Guru Points: 1004409 More actions · Answer 3

GilaMonster (12/17/2008)
r.hensbergen (12/17/2008)
Do posters think we're answering bots instead of real people?
I suspect that some do, or think that we work for SSC. I recall someone apologising after I pointed out that I was helping him out for free, in my spare time

You know, I think we've all run into that at least once so we know it does happen... I just wonder if that's more of the rule than the exception. How many people do think some of the Ninja's on this forum are getting paid?

--Jeff Moden

RBAR is pronounced "ree-bar" and is a "Modenism" for Row-By-Agonizing-Row.
First step towards the paradigm shift of writing Set Based code:
________Stop thinking about what you want to do to a ROW... think, instead, of what you want to do to a COLUMN.

Change is inevitable... Change for the better is not.

Helpful Links:
How to post code problems
How to Post Performance Problems
Create a Tally Function (fnTally)

Grant Fritchey SSC Guru Points: 398909 More actions · Answer 4

Jeff Moden (12/17/2008)
GilaMonster (12/17/2008)
r.hensbergen (12/17/2008)
Do posters think we're answering bots instead of real people?
I suspect that some do, or think that we work for SSC. I recall someone apologising after I pointed out that I was helping him out for free, in my spare time
You know, I think we've all run into that at least once so we know it does happen... I just wonder if that's more of the rule than the exception. How many people do think some of the Ninja's on this forum are getting paid?

You mean you guys aren't getting paid? But Steve said... oh yeah, to keep quiet about the payments...

NEVER MIND!

"The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood"
- Theodore Roosevelt

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Jonathan Kehayias One Orange Chip Points: 26778 More actions · Answer 5

Grant Fritchey (12/17/2008)
Google & BOL aside, they've managed to find their way to this site, navigate to the forums, type their question.... Didn't even a one of them look up & to the right at the little box labeled "Search." More people would answer more of their questions, quicker, if they just did that much.

Come on Grant, this is the play station generation. Most have had a silver spoon up the rear end, and don't think they should have to work for something. I see this with my younger brother a lot who is 8 yrs younger than I am, and quit a job because he wasn't made a manager when his boss left because he was there. They instead hired someone from another store who had actual management experience. Go figure.

Everything is just supposed to be given to them. The proof of this is in the posts.

Jonathan Kehayias One Orange Chip Points: 26778 More actions · Answer 6

Jeff Moden (12/17/2008)
GilaMonster (12/17/2008)
r.hensbergen (12/17/2008)
Do posters think we're answering bots instead of real people?
I suspect that some do, or think that we work for SSC. I recall someone apologising after I pointed out that I was helping him out for free, in my spare time
You know, I think we've all run into that at least once so we know it does happen... I just wonder if that's more of the rule than the exception. How many people do think some of the Ninja's on this forum are getting paid?

It happens on the Microsoft Forums a lot. Everyone today is so self centered, they don't seem to understand the idea that someone might help others just because. I do it because I get to see some of the most ridiculous problems, that I wouldn't have seen otherwise because I know what not to do.

Grant Fritchey SSC Guru Points: 398909 More actions · Answer 7

Jonathan Kehayias (12/17/2008)
Grant Fritchey (12/17/2008)
Google & BOL aside, they've managed to find their way to this site, navigate to the forums, type their question.... Didn't even a one of them look up & to the right at the little box labeled "Search." More people would answer more of their questions, quicker, if they just did that much.
Come on Grant, this is the play station generation. Most have had a silver spoon up the rear end, and don't think they should have to work for something. I see this with my younger brother a lot who is 8 yrs younger than I am, and quit a job because he wasn't made a manager when his boss left because he was there. They instead hired someone from another store who had actual management experience. Go figure.
Everything is just supposed to be given to them. The proof of this is in the posts.

Well that's the problem, right there. They should be playing on the XBox for crying out loud.

Isn't it difficult to walk with the silver spoon thing?

However, I don't disagree entirely. It does seem like everyone just expects to be fed answers and they do seem shocked when it doesn't just appear, like a google search.

"The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood"
- Theodore Roosevelt

Author of:
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Jack Corbett SSC Guru Points: 184394 More actions · Answer 8

Jonathan Kehayias (12/17/2008)I do it because I get to see some of the most ridiculous problems, that I wouldn't have seen otherwise because I know what not to do.

If I didn't know what not to do, I certainly have learned that from a lot of the posts I see here. Most of the time I am answering questions on things I've never encountered before and that is how I learn to handle them if I ever do. I'm amazed at some of the problems people have with SQL Server and some of the requirements that they have to deal with.

I guess I've been lucky that I've only had to deal with 1 major SQL Server corruption issue and 1 major server crash where everything had to be rebuilt in 9 years. Otherwise my servers and DB's have just run (I mean without corruption issues)

Jack Corbett
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tosscrosby SSCoach Points: 18045 More actions · Answer 9

Grant Fritchey (12/17/2008)
Well that's the problem, right there. They should be playing on the XBox for crying out loud.
Isn't it difficult to walk with the silver spoon thing?
However, I don't disagree entirely. It does seem like everyone just expects to be fed answers and they do seem shocked when it doesn't just appear, like a google search.

Or Wii....

Ouch!!!

How many times have we all seen "Urgent!" or "experts only pls"? Their sense of entitlement at that point simply redirects me to other posts without giving their issue another thought. Seems to be a sign of the times, and not a good one at that. What would these fine folks have done pre-web? We used to have to crack open manuals which were bigger than phone books or "phone a friend" (no IM or emails back then. or cell phones for that matter!) for suggestions/directions. We sure didn't have the instant-gratification that the new generation feels is their God (Allah, Buddha, whomever) given right. My mom says I spoil my kids but parents always want better (more?) for their children than what they had. May be some truth in her comments.

-- You can't be late until you show up.

Gail Shaw SSC Guru Points: 1004504 More actions · Answer 10

Jack Corbett (12/17/2008)
I'm amazed at some of the problems people have with SQL Server and some of the requirements that they have to deal with.

I'm amazed by some of the things that people try to do with or to SQL Server.

Gail Shaw
Microsoft Certified Master: SQL Server, MVP, M.Sc (Comp Sci)
SQL In The Wild: Discussions on DB performance with occasional diversions into recoverability

We walk in the dark places no others will enter
We stand on the bridge and no one may pass

Jonathan Kehayias One Orange Chip Points: 26778 More actions · Answer 11

Jack Corbett (12/17/2008)
If I didn't know what not to do, I certainly have learned that from a lot of the posts I see here. Most of the time I am answering questions on things I've never encountered before and that is how I learn to handle them if I ever do. I'm amazed at some of the problems people have with SQL Server and some of the requirements that they have to deal with.

I see a post every week or so that just kind of makes me go WOW. A lot of questions that I answer are things that I have absolutely no real experience with either, but I can do a Live (eerrrm Google) search and I have the VM's and environment to simulate the problem and solve it. I would say that my internet search skills probably rival most peoples, at least from experience with people at work.

I guess I've been lucky that I've only had to deal with 1 major SQL Server corruption issue and 1 major server crash where everything had to be rebuilt in 9 years. Otherwise my servers and DB's have just run (I mean without corruption issues)

Yeah about the same here, but mine was somewhat self inflicted because I installed a CU onto my mirror and then did my principle before the mirror started all the way up and it crashed both of them the same exact way. I was able to hack my way back on the principle and get it online after about 2 hrs of aggrivation, but the mirror was done for and had to be rebuilt.

Jonathan Kehayias One Orange Chip Points: 26778 More actions · Answer 12

GilaMonster (12/17/2008)
Jack Corbett (12/17/2008)
I'm amazed at some of the problems people have with SQL Server and some of the requirements that they have to deal with.
I'm amazed by some of the things that people try to do with or to SQL Server.

Just go read the SQLCLR forums and you will find a whole new level of WOW. I learned a whole lot about what not to do, trying to solve peoples problems in CLR integration. My favorite is:

Why can't I use a MessageBox.Show() in my Assembly.

Jeff Moden SSC Guru Points: 1004409 More actions · Answer 13

I'll throw my hat into the ring on all that! There is no place where I could have had the opporuntity to learn so much nor stretch the limits of SQL Server so very far for all manner of problems. The things they teach in certification programs and boot-camps just don't even approach the kinds of things I've seen on this forum. Heck, I tried one of those one-week SQL Server implementation courses way back when... the instructor, who actually had a full time job programming SQL, didn't know how to do a simple dupe check/deletion. He kept mumbling some hooie about "If you do it right, you won't have dupes." Heh... he obviously never had to deal with ETL from 3rd party data sources.

--Jeff Moden

RBAR is pronounced "ree-bar" and is a "Modenism" for Row-By-Agonizing-Row.
First step towards the paradigm shift of writing Set Based code:
________Stop thinking about what you want to do to a ROW... think, instead, of what you want to do to a COLUMN.

Change is inevitable... Change for the better is not.

Helpful Links:
How to post code problems
How to Post Performance Problems
Create a Tally Function (fnTally)

Gail Shaw SSC Guru Points: 1004504 More actions · Answer 14

Jonathan Kehayias (12/17/2008)
Why can't I use a MessageBox.Show() in my Assembly.

<Blink> WT#@$#%$%^????????

To me that shows a fundamental lack of understanding of SQL, CLR within SQL or probably both.

Gail Shaw
Microsoft Certified Master: SQL Server, MVP, M.Sc (Comp Sci)
SQL In The Wild: Discussions on DB performance with occasional diversions into recoverability

We walk in the dark places no others will enter
We stand on the bridge and no one may pass

Jeffrey Williams SSC Guru Points: 90305 More actions · Answer 15

GilaMonster (12/17/2008)
Jonathan Kehayias (12/17/2008)
Why can't I use a MessageBox.Show() in my Assembly.
<Blink> WT#@$#%$%^????????
To me that shows a fundamental lack of understanding of SQL, CLR within SQL or probably both.

This really shows a fundamental lack of understanding client/server principles. And here I was, thinking that was basic knowledge that any programmer in IT should know.

Go figure 😉

Jeffrey Williams
“We are all faced with a series of great opportunities brilliantly disguised as impossible situations.”

― Charles R. Swindoll

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