April 22, 2012 at 11:55 pm
Lynn Pettis (4/22/2012)
Revenant (4/22/2012)
Lynn Pettis (4/22/2012)
Sometimes I wonder if some people posting questions even try to solve their own problems. Doesn't help when they start mixing code posted by others with their own and nothing works beacuse of differences between the code (app vs application in a column anme for instance).What is particularly interesting is when the change needed is so very minor to code previously provided. And in this particular case, I wasn't even sure what would happen until I tried it, and it appeared to solve the problem but not quite the way the poster had envisioned.
IMNERHO, it all comes to the old prayer: Oh Lord, give me the strength to change what can be changed, the patience to accept what cannot be changed, and the wisdom to know which is which.
And then you have those questions that make absolutly no sense what-so-ever.
Is someone getting a little frustrated this morning/night?
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April 22, 2012 at 11:56 pm
Revenant (4/22/2012)
Lynn Pettis (4/22/2012)
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Lynn Pettis (4/22/2012)
Sometimes I wonder if some people posting questions even try to solve their own problems. Doesn't help when they start mixing code posted by others with their own and nothing works beacuse of differences between the code (app vs application in a column anme for instance).What is particularly interesting is when the change needed is so very minor to code previously provided. And in this particular case, I wasn't even sure what would happen until I tried it, and it appeared to solve the problem but not quite the way the poster had envisioned.
IMNERHO, it all comes to the old prayer: Oh Lord, give me the strength to change what can be changed, the patience to accept what cannot be changed, and the wisdom to know which is which.
And then you have those questions that make absolutly no sense what-so-ever.
That comes under "what cannot be changed." Having read your postings over several years, I am positive you do have the wisdom to understand that.
Oh, sure, but sometimes you just have verbalize your frustrations.
April 23, 2012 at 12:06 am
Koen Verbeeck (4/22/2012)
Lynn Pettis (4/22/2012)
Revenant (4/22/2012)
Lynn Pettis (4/22/2012)
Sometimes I wonder if some people posting questions even try to solve their own problems. Doesn't help when they start mixing code posted by others with their own and nothing works beacuse of differences between the code (app vs application in a column anme for instance).What is particularly interesting is when the change needed is so very minor to code previously provided. And in this particular case, I wasn't even sure what would happen until I tried it, and it appeared to solve the problem but not quite the way the poster had envisioned.
IMNERHO, it all comes to the old prayer: Oh Lord, give me the strength to change what can be changed, the patience to accept what cannot be changed, and the wisdom to know which is which.
And then you have those questions that make absolutly no sense what-so-ever.
Is someone getting a little frustrated this morning/night?
http://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic1287897-147-1.aspx#bm1287923
😀 😉
In some ways, yes. Asking questions that would take more time and space in a forum when Google is available to find what they may want to know, and provide faster than waiting for someone on a forum to answer.
April 23, 2012 at 12:14 am
Lynn Pettis (4/22/2012)
Revenant (4/22/2012)
Lynn Pettis (4/22/2012)
Revenant (4/22/2012)
Lynn Pettis (4/22/2012)
Sometimes I wonder if some people posting questions even try to solve their own problems. Doesn't help when they start mixing code posted by others with their own and nothing works beacuse of differences between the code (app vs application in a column anme for instance).What is particularly interesting is when the change needed is so very minor to code previously provided. And in this particular case, I wasn't even sure what would happen until I tried it, and it appeared to solve the problem but not quite the way the poster had envisioned.
IMNERHO, it all comes to the old prayer: Oh Lord, give me the strength to change what can be changed, the patience to accept what cannot be changed, and the wisdom to know which is which.
And then you have those questions that make absolutly no sense what-so-ever.
That comes under "what cannot be changed." Having read your postings over several years, I am positive you do have the wisdom to understand that.
Oh, sure, but sometimes you just have verbalize your frustrations.
I used to do that. What I found it is that I usually can't change those people that frustrate me, so I just avoid them. It'll cause your post count to go down because you're not wasting your breath in posts that won't be heeded, but you'll sleep a whole lot better at night. 😀 You'll also magically find the time to help a whole lot of people that actually deserve the help. :w00t: I actually learned which people to avoid by watching the ones you got frustrated with. :hehe: They're pretty easy to spot now. Thanks.
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Change is inevitable... Change for the better is not.
April 23, 2012 at 12:15 am
Lynn Pettis (4/23/2012)
In some ways, yes. Asking questions that would take more time and space in a forum when Google is available to find what they may want to know, and provide faster than waiting for someone on a forum to answer.
I'm developing a theory that Google is being blocked in certain area's of the world. Or that it actively filters out SQL Server related content... 😀
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April 23, 2012 at 12:32 am
Jeff Moden (4/23/2012)
Lynn Pettis (4/22/2012)
Revenant (4/22/2012)
Lynn Pettis (4/22/2012)
Revenant (4/22/2012)
Lynn Pettis (4/22/2012)
Sometimes I wonder if some people posting questions even try to solve their own problems. Doesn't help when they start mixing code posted by others with their own and nothing works beacuse of differences between the code (app vs application in a column anme for instance).What is particularly interesting is when the change needed is so very minor to code previously provided. And in this particular case, I wasn't even sure what would happen until I tried it, and it appeared to solve the problem but not quite the way the poster had envisioned.
IMNERHO, it all comes to the old prayer: Oh Lord, give me the strength to change what can be changed, the patience to accept what cannot be changed, and the wisdom to know which is which.
And then you have those questions that make absolutly no sense what-so-ever.
That comes under "what cannot be changed." Having read your postings over several years, I am positive you do have the wisdom to understand that.
Oh, sure, but sometimes you just have verbalize your frustrations.
I used to do that. What I found it is that I usually can't change those people that frustrate me, so I just avoid them. It'll cause your post count to go down because you're not wasting your breath in posts that won't be heeded, but you'll sleep a whole lot better at night. 😀 You'll also magically find the time to help a whole lot of people that actually deserve the help. :w00t: I actually learned which people to avoid by watching the ones you got frustrated with. :hehe: They're pretty easy to spot now. Thanks.
I will admit that I do get frustrated with some posters. A couple tonight got to me just with their initial post, hence the lmgtfy response. The other one, you gave an answer I was going to give, but then chose not to.
But as I think back on some of the threads where I got frustrated, there were those bright shine few (probably count them on one hand) where I can actually say I felt that I made a difference by hanging in when others were telling me to walk away. I can actually say that those few make all the ones I lose worthwhile.
April 23, 2012 at 8:18 am
Grant Fritchey (4/20/2012)
The Dixie Flatline (4/19/2012)
Okay, I will apologize for bringing this up in the Thread. But I'm getting tired of writing private messages.Yes, Gail, I was at the last Summit in Seattle and attended the presentation you and Grant gave on Monday. Tuesday night, I was at the reception/casino night, intending to see Jeff get his award. Before the ceremony got started, I had a pulmonary embolism. Don't bother looking it up. It means multiple blood clots in both lungs, and it feels like a heart attack. I was stupid and didn't ask for help getting up to the aid station, but I made it on my own and they got me to the emergency room at a nearby hospital within 20 minutes. Even the other guys from my company didn't know where I was until the hospital called them the next day. Obviously I missed the rest of the week, which I greatly regret.
Long story short, I survived and it's ancient history now.
WTF!
And we all just left you in the hospital there? Crap. I didn't know. Glad to hear you're better though. But I feel awful. Doing all the right stuff? Losing weight, eating better, exercise?
On a side note:
New rule, Threadizens, if you go down at a conference, you have to get word back to another Threadizen. Some of us actually do care (a little).
+1 on this as well. I wasn't at the Summit last year, but I definitely would have made a trip to the hospital to see you and do whatever I could to help you out.
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April 23, 2012 at 8:45 am
Brandie Tarvin (4/20/2012)
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New rule, Threadizens, if you go down at a conference, you have to get word back to another Threadizen. Some of us actually do care (a little).More than just about caring. It's about having each other's backs. Many of us travel to these things without any family or friends along. How will any of them know there's a problem if we don't tell anyone, including Threadizens that are at the conference?
+1 to the New Rule.
I applaud the sentiment, but if you go down at a conference, Rule #1 = take care of yourself. Rule #2 = there are no rules but Rule #1
Notification is nice, hardly a requirement.
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April 23, 2012 at 9:05 am
jcrawf02 (4/23/2012)
Brandie Tarvin (4/20/2012)
Grant Fritchey (4/20/2012)
New rule, Threadizens, if you go down at a conference, you have to get word back to another Threadizen. Some of us actually do care (a little).More than just about caring. It's about having each other's backs. Many of us travel to these things without any family or friends along. How will any of them know there's a problem if we don't tell anyone, including Threadizens that are at the conference?
+1 to the New Rule.
I applaud the sentiment, but if you go down at a conference, Rule #1 = take care of yourself. Rule #2 = there are no rules but Rule #1
Notification is nice, hardly a requirement.
No argument, but it's enlightened self-interest to make aware a couple of people who are in the area and know you that you're in the hospital. They'll be able to help out with getting stuff from a hotel, booking flights, etc.
My first MVP summit, someone had a family emergency, which turned out just fine. Luckily, we're a very chatty group in the MVPs so when he came in packing his bag to run out the door we asked what the problem was. He told us, and how long he'd have to wait for a plane. People with mileage and advanced accounts at airlines started making phone calls and we had the guy on an earlier flight, for free, before he was able to get to the airport.
The helper gene is inherent in this group. Take advantage of it.
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April 23, 2012 at 10:51 am
Lynn Pettis (4/23/2012)
I will admit that I do get frustrated with some posters. A couple tonight got to me just with their initial post, hence the lmgtfy response. The other one, you gave an answer I was going to give, but then chose not to.But as I think back on some of the threads where I got frustrated, there were those bright shine few (probably count them on one hand) where I can actually say I felt that I made a difference by hanging in when others were telling me to walk away. I can actually say that those few make all the ones I lose worthwhile.
Absolutely agreed on the joy of watching the proverbial light come on. But if you can make the realization that the user has no intention of helping you help them before you spend "6 or 20" posts lecturing someone who is not listening and will never, then you're way ahead of the game. You won't be as frustrated AND you stand more of a chance of finding and helping those diamonds in the rough because you'll have more time to spend with them.
Or, you can do like I did on that one post... post a solution based on the crap information and some small notation that the solution is just as incomplete as the description of the problem. Either that or quit feeding unwitting trolls after just a post or two and move on. If you don't want to change anything about what you do, realize that it will be frustrating and simply choose to not be frustrated.
Heh... of course, being frustrated does quadruple the number of posts you get for any given problem. It at least doubles your post count on the original post and then again on the thread. 🙂
--Jeff Moden
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April 23, 2012 at 11:18 am
Hijacking the thread for another book announcement.
You can read the details on the top post of my Google+ stream here: Legend of the Beemen
April 23, 2012 at 11:26 am
Brandie Tarvin (4/23/2012)
Hijacking the thread for another book announcement.You can read the details on the top post of my Google+ stream here: Legend of the Beemen
That'll teach me to read the thread while working. I am putting together an SSIS package to move data from a ton of Oracle tables to SQL Server tables and I'm picking the tables from the dropdown list. I read your post and went back to picking the next table and was frustrated for a moment that I couldn't find the table "LEGEND_OF_THE_BEEMEN".
I'm pretty sure Oracle tables are all caps because you constantly feel like yelling when you're using it.
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April 23, 2012 at 11:28 am
Brandie Tarvin (4/23/2012)
Hijacking the thread for another book announcement.You can read the details on the top post of my Google+ stream here: Legend of the Beemen
Also congratulations! First standalone work, that's awesome! Love the title and the cover and I look forward to getting it.
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You ask a glass of water. -- Douglas Adams
April 23, 2012 at 11:28 am
Stefan Krzywicki (4/23/2012)
Brandie Tarvin (4/23/2012)
Hijacking the thread for another book announcement.You can read the details on the top post of my Google+ stream here: Legend of the Beemen
That'll teach me to read the thread while working. I am putting together an SSIS package to move data from a ton of Oracle tables to SQL Server tables and I'm picking the tables from the dropdown list. I read your post and went back to picking the next table and was frustrated for a moment that I couldn't find the table "LEGEND_OF_THE_BEEMEN".
I'm pretty sure Oracle tables are all caps because you constantly feel like yelling when you're using it.
I'm sure I'm not the only one who was really intrigued until I realized the title wasn't Legend of the Beermen. (Sorry, Brandie)
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April 23, 2012 at 11:53 am
Stefan Krzywicki (4/23/2012)
Brandie Tarvin (4/23/2012)
Hijacking the thread for another book announcement.You can read the details on the top post of my Google+ stream here: Legend of the Beemen
That'll teach me to read the thread while working. I am putting together an SSIS package to move data from a ton of Oracle tables to SQL Server tables and I'm picking the tables from the dropdown list. I read your post and went back to picking the next table and was frustrated for a moment that I couldn't find the table "LEGEND_OF_THE_BEEMEN".
<snort>
The Dixie Flatline (4/23/2012)
I'm sure I'm not the only one who was really intrigued until I realized the title wasn't Legend of the Beermen. (Sorry, Brandie)
I actually tried that, Dixie, as part of my Simpsons media tie-in work, but those crazy folks at Fox had issues with the way I portrayed DuffMan in the smuggling ring scene. So, sorry, no Legend of the Beermen today.
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