March 8, 2012 at 4:49 pm
Stefan Krzywicki (3/7/2012)
Wow, I bet a lot of businesses will freak out over this. Small, Mid-size and Smaller "large" companies have a lot of systems that still run IE6, mostly because they haven't tested them with anything newer. I know quite a few still mandate IE6 on their desktops/laptops. Then there are all the businesses that still have XP or older and are going to worry about moving from IE6.
Almost everyone I know who uses XP runs IE8 on it. Even I use IE 8 on the rare occassions I'm not using Firefox or Opera or Chrome (that last runs on this laptop only under a user restricted to running chrome and nothing else and with extremely restricted filestore access, because I don't trust google's privacy policy as far as I could throw Mont Blanc). I guess "or older" could be a problem, though.
Tom
March 8, 2012 at 5:03 pm
SQLRNNR (3/8/2012)
Koen Verbeeck (3/8/2012)
And with this post I neatly arrive at 7000 points! :w00t::w00t::w00t::hehe::hehe::hehe:(and like Sheldon in the Big Bang Theory, I like nice round even numbers. 7000 points total, 4000 for the forums, 3000 for the QotD. Yes, I timed this)
Time to burst your bubble, Sheldon.
7 and 4 are not round numbers.:-D
True.
The only round number I know is zero (in both Devenegari and "European Arabic" script). Although five is pretty close in non-Eastern Arabic-Indic script. :laugh:
Tom
March 8, 2012 at 5:21 pm
Lynn Pettis (3/8/2012)
You do know that the ssc site is hosted on server in the UK, right?
The domain does of course belong to a company which is UK head-quartered and mainly UK-based, and it's IP address is registered to Redgate too, but it is hosted - according to RIPE.net - by a Texas-based company (Rackspace). Here's the relevant whois information from the RIPE database:-
person: IP Admininetnum: 89.234.60.64 - 89.234.60.79
netname: RSPC-UK-Red-Gate-Software-Ltd
descr: Red-Gate-Software-Ltd IP Space
country: GB
admin-c: IA247-RIPE
tech-c: IA247-RIPE
remarks: rev-srv: ns.rackspace.com
status: ASSIGNED PA
mnt-by: RSPC-MNT
source: RIPE #Filtered
remarks: rev-srv attribute deprecated by RIPE NCC on 02/09/2009
address: Rackspace Managed Hosting 112 E. Pecan St. Suite 600 San Antonio, Texas 78205
phone: +1 210 892 4000
fax-no: +1 210 892 4329
e-mail: ipadmin@rackspace.com
nic-hdl: IA247-RIPE
remarks: ### Rackspace Abuse Department
remarks: ### Please send any complaints to the following:
remarks: ### abuse@rackspace.com
mnt-by: RSPC-MNT
source: RIPE #Filtered
So the admin snail-mail address and phone number and fax number are all in the USA, and the admin and abuse email addresses both belong to rackspace.com. I imagine that, taken together with who the editor is, would suggest to a US court that it is administered in the USA and that SOPA (if the current draft were passed) did not therefor apply to it in its role as a site; however, it would be an intermediary for the site linked to, so it (whover the administrator is) could, if the site hosting the pdf file is not USA based, receive a notification and would be expected to (i) pass that notification on to the offending site and (ii) cut that site off if (a) the offending site didn't provide a decent refutation (it must forward the notification, it would not be permitted to chop the site without forwarding the notification) (b) it got a court order telling it to or (c) it got a perfectly good refutation and no court order but just felt it might be less likely to suffer hassle if it cut the site off.
Tom
March 8, 2012 at 5:49 pm
Stefan Krzywicki (3/7/2012)
Jeff Moden (3/7/2012)
Koen Verbeeck (3/7/2012)
[/url](if SOPA got through, this site could be taken down)
Not without due process of proper notification and the opportunity to comply. 😉
Not necessarily. All a company needs to do it tell the host that the site contains pirated material and it gets taken down. That was part of the problem with those proposed laws. No due process.
I know Tom has but did you read the actual bill?
--Jeff Moden
Change is inevitable... Change for the better is not.
March 8, 2012 at 5:59 pm
L' Eomot Inversé (3/8/2012)
Jeff Moden (3/7/2012)
Koen Verbeeck (3/7/2012)
[/url](if SOPA got through, this site could be taken down)
Not without due process of proper notification and the opportunity to comply. 😉
That's not correct.
The last version of SOPA applied only to websites not operated from the USA, and as Steve is USA based it can clearly be argued that the website is operated from the USA.
If it were a non-USA site, then SOPA might apply; but the rights holders would then have to notify USA-based "intermediaries" (companies who provide payment services to or pay for advertisements on the site, search engines that list the site, web directories that list the site, pretty well anyone else who links to the site whether directly or indirectly, any DNS provider that resolves the site's address) NOT the offending site: it would be up to intermediaries to notify the offending site, which then would have a chance to provide a refutation; if it didn't, the DoJ might obtain a court order instructing the intermediaries to cease acting for it/dealing with it (so it comes out of DNS, out of search engines, no-one in the USA can link to it or to anyone who links to it directly or indirectly) if intermediaries didn't take those actions of their own accord without waiting for a court order (intermediaries have no obligation to pay any attention to refutations, or to wait to see if they get them before taking action) and note that this applies to the domain, not to the offending pages. There appears to be no concept of "take-down" here (at least no "take-down" of the offending material by the site organiser, just a "take-down" of the offending domain by the USA), so the result of a notification is either that the site proves its innocence (notice on whom the burden of proof is placed) or it gets cut out of the USA view of the internet (of course a real pirate site won't be cut out: it will have a new domain name and IP address within minutes of receiving a notice from one of the intermediaries - and be back in business next time a search engine indexes it, which is probably within a day; of course real pirate sites don't rely on advertising revenue, and don't have to use a US-based merchant payment handler).
That's just the first part of SOPA. The next section makes any unauthorised streaming of copyright material a criminal offence. Stream a 2-second clip taken from an ancient hollywood movie 10 times during any period of 12 months and you would be liable for 5 years in gaol (if you stream at real time that means if you accidentally put that clip on your site - cut-and-paste error, detect your error and repair it withing a few seconds, if 10 people just happened to pick the thing up and download it in those few seconds the although there never previously was nor ever will again be any unauthorised copyright material on your site you can be put away for 5 years) - an extension of the already well-established USAmerican system of treating innocent people as serious criminals in order to allow the plutocrats to destroy someone who has done them no real harm in the (almost certainly vain) hope of discouraging someone who actually wants profit from stealing their stuff.
Another chunk of the act would allow big Pharma or IR to get DoJ to require DNS not to resolve Canadian pharmacies - even the ones who provide genuine drugs, not fakes, and only provide material against prescriptions from licensed physicians.
According to Representative Lamar Smith, some of the nonsense was going to be ripped out of the bill; but it appears to have died before much of that happened. Accordng to other advocates of the Bill, it made clear distinctions between commercial activity and non-commercial - but every lawyer I've heard from reckons that the drafting is so thoroughly that much non-commercial activity that is currently lawful would become not lawful if it were to become law. The RIAA claimed both that the DNS bits would be compatible with DNS-SEC and that only individual IP address-domain pairs (so not all IP addresses for a domain) would be blocked in DNS, which is clearly not possible (there's no way a DNS-SEC compliant search result could be delivered which didn't contain the complete address set for the domain), and the DNS-SEC principle that a DNS-Client should tries alternative DNSs whenever it gets either no answer or a non-compliant answer would turn every piece of software containing a DNS-SEC compliant DNS-Client into illegal software (software which attempts to bypass the DNS-blocking imposed by SOPA would be made illegal), so SOPA means it is illegal to produce, possess, or use a DNS-SEC compliant browser or FTP client.
I guess that's the biggest problem with the SOPA bill. It's way too open to interpretation in many of it's sections. Having read the thoughts that others (like yourself have put to print), I'm thinking that many of the other sections just flat out suck.
I guess I'll have to take the same position as some other folks have taken. As it was written, SOPA is a terrible instrument and I'm glad it was defeated. That notwithstanding, I'd still like to have some recourse against websites that intentionally violate copyright and other laws.
Actually, what I'd really like is for people to... ah... never mind. Total pipe dream especially since people are involved.
--Jeff Moden
Change is inevitable... Change for the better is not.
March 8, 2012 at 7:13 pm
L' Eomot Inversé (3/8/2012)
...That's not correct.
The last version of SOPA applied only to websites not operated from the USA, and as Steve is USA based it can clearly be argued that the website is operated from the USA.
If it were a non-USA site, then SOPA might apply;
We are a non-US site. Based in the UK. 😀
Good writeup, and seems about correct to me. If all goes well, nothing would happen, but there are all sorts of potential problems with notification, with timeliness, and compliance. The speed with which some DCMA notifications are processed worries me. It's no guarantee that if someone posted, say a page from BOL, that we'd get notified, and have a reasonable dispute process taking place before we could be blocked.
March 8, 2012 at 9:15 pm
bitbucket-25253 (3/8/2012)
Evil Kraig F (3/8/2012)
L' Eomot Inversé (3/8/2012)
mtillman-921105 (3/6/2012)
Look, the first invisible car?I think it might create some problems if those were let loose in traffic.;-)
I want two... I know I'm end up wrecked in the first one...
First problem would be how would you find your invisible car and if you walked into it .. next how would you find the door key lock to open the door so you could drive it ?
Wonder Woman didn't have a problem with her invisible jet. 😀
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March 8, 2012 at 9:16 pm
Hey Lynn, how's the new job going?
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March 8, 2012 at 9:44 pm
Jack Corbett (3/8/2012)
Hey Lynn, how's the new job going?
Going good now, but had an iffy time for a bit. I'll pop you a DM with a little more detail. Will probably start doing more beginning tomorrow. This week so far has been getting onboard and things like that.
March 9, 2012 at 12:30 am
LutzM (3/8/2012)
Koen Verbeeck (3/8/2012)
7000 and 4000 are 😛Divisible by 2, 5, 10, 100 and 1000 (and a lot more!)
You might have a different point of view then:
8000 is a round number. 7000 and 4000 both contain digits with edges (7 rsp. 4). So those can't be round numbers 😀
Aaah, I get it 🙂
It will take some time then to have a real "round" number.
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March 9, 2012 at 1:00 am
Steve Jones - SSC Editor (3/8/2012)
L' Eomot Inversé (3/8/2012)
If it were a non-USA site, then SOPA might apply;We are a non-US site. Based in the UK. 😀
However the way SOPA classified sites (yes, I read the relevant sections, though of which version I don't recall) is based on the domain name. SSC is a .com, which is classified a US domain suffix and hence it gets classified a US site regardless of where it's hosted.
My blog is hosted in the US but because of the domain (.co.za) would be classified a non-US site solely on that basis.
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March 9, 2012 at 5:36 am
Jeff Moden (3/8/2012)
I guess I'll have to take the same position as some other folks have taken. As it was written, SOPA is a terrible instrument and I'm glad it was defeated. That notwithstanding, I'd still like to have some recourse against websites that intentionally violate copyright and other laws.Actually, what I'd really like is for people to... ah... never mind. Total pipe dream especially since people are involved.
I guess you and I have pretty much the same views on the question - we need is a decent law that deals properly with intentional violation, but it would be much better if people would behave decently so that we didn't need such a law.
When DMCA was passed I thought it might be a good thing, but since I've been horrified by the way it has been misused by the big media boys, and the way some (but not all, fortunately) courts have acepted ridiculous and completely unreal figures for actual damage. That meant I was far more careful when I saw SOPA. Of course it was unlikely to affect me directly, but ....
Tom
March 9, 2012 at 5:46 am
L' Eomot Inversé (3/9/2012)
..., but it would be much better if people would behave decently so that we didn't need such a law.
I pay here 21% taxes on CDs. I only pay 6% on books because they fall under culture/arts. (Since when is music not an art?)
Which means that CDs are ridicously overpriced in Belgium (and most likely in other countries too).
I also pay copyright taxes on empty storage (interprete that as you want. Blank CDs, hard drives, USB sticks). I pay copyright taxes on my cable television. The copyright firm here in Belgium also wants the ISPs to give a few percentages of their profit as copyright tax. One could figure that so many copyright taxes have already been paid, everything could be downloaded freely. (take that with a bit of salt)
(and don't get me started on the copyright firm here in Belgium. They are more organized crime than "the defenders of the poor little artist")
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March 9, 2012 at 6:00 am
Denver was in the news today.
I wonder if Steve saw the Weekend At Bernie's guys?
Sounds like they took a dead buddy out to a strip club for a bit.
What were they thinking?
March 9, 2012 at 6:10 am
Steve Jones - SSC Editor (3/8/2012)
L' Eomot Inversé (3/8/2012)
...That's not correct.
The last version of SOPA applied only to websites not operated from the USA, and as Steve is USA based it can clearly be argued that the website is operated from the USA.
If it were a non-USA site, then SOPA might apply;
We are a non-US site. Based in the UK. 😀
Your RIPE whois database entry is a bit naughty then (all contact info points to Texas) :hehe:. Perhaps it should be updated? It's considered only polite if you have an IP address (or range) that the entry in the appropriate database (RIPE, since Redgate is European) is kept accurate.
Anyway, in one versio of SOPA you would be US-based because you are a .com domain, in another version (or maybe in a different section of the same version) you would be US-based because the admin information points to Texas; maybe in yet another version you would be non-US because Redgate is in Cambridge, England but if so that's a version I haven't read.
Good writeup, and seems about correct to me. If all goes well, nothing would happen, but there are all sorts of potential problems with notification, with timeliness, and compliance. The speed with which some DCMA notifications are processed worries me. It's no guarantee that if someone posted, say a page from BOL, that we'd get notified, and have a reasonable dispute process taking place before we could be blocked.
It depends a lot on who the rights owner is; for a BoL page it's MS, and they aren't trigger-happy idiots who will be pushing intermediaries to cut you off without proper justification; fortunately neither MPAA nor RIAA publishes much material that's likely to be posted on this site :-).
Tom
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