January 12, 2012 at 10:56 am
SQLRNNR (1/12/2012)
Grant Fritchey (1/12/2012)
I tried to engage in a meaningful way. It didn't work. I'm way done. Sorry for feeding the troll. Lesson learned until next time.What exactly did you try that didn't work?
😉
Ha!
I talked to the person like they were a responsible adult. Got about the same result as my wife does when she tries that on the kids.
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January 12, 2012 at 11:07 am
Cadavre (1/12/2012)
I'm going to continue posting, reading and answering questions on this site for one simple reason: I learn as much if not more than those that I've helped. Either from someone else posting a superior solution or simply from attempting to answer the question in the first place.This site is great and the majority of the posters (I can only think of three regular posters that don't) that attempt to answer questions do so with a great amount of patience in helping others to understand their solution.
I sure wish that I had more time, but work is busy and I've got an hour commute each way. I've only been able to lurk lately on The Thread.
Wayne
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January 12, 2012 at 11:08 am
SQLRNNR (1/12/2012)
Stefan Krzywicki (1/12/2012)
Cadavre (1/12/2012)
I'm going to continue posting, reading and answering questions on this site for one simple reason: I learn as much if not more than those that I've helped. Either from someone else posting a superior solution or simply from attempting to answer the question in the first place.This site is great and the majority of the posters (I can only think of three regular posters that don't) that attempt to answer questions do so with a great amount of patience in helping others to understand their solution.
Yes indeed. I don't have the time I'd like to answer more questions, so I tend to answer in batches, but I learn every time I do.
I wish I had more time. I learn a lot. I think the people that learn the most from posting and answering questions are the ones that test and research and test some more.
+1
Wayne
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January 12, 2012 at 2:06 pm
Grant Fritchey (1/12/2012)
SQLRNNR (1/12/2012)
Grant Fritchey (1/12/2012)
I tried to engage in a meaningful way. It didn't work. I'm way done. Sorry for feeding the troll. Lesson learned until next time.What exactly did you try that didn't work?
😉
Ha!
I talked to the person like they were a responsible adult. Got about the same result as my wife does when she tries that on the kids.
If it makes you feel any better Grant, I felt the same way. I actually had thought I'd answered his question. Well, at least anyone else who lurks and wanders through will be able to read what we meant and hopefully can avoid his churlishness. Though, I'm not entirely sure I should have been involved in a thread regarding "experts". 😉
On a side note, SQL Know It All is someone I'll be watching for. I get where he's coming from but I might be able to soften his approach. Yeah, I know, me looking to help someone with tact is like a bomber bringing flowers.
As to Bex's observation that a lot of times things are answered already better then I could hope to try, I find that myself a lot as well. Luckily, I usually learn something when I run into those and they end up in my mental catalog.
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January 12, 2012 at 8:48 pm
Grant Fritchey (1/12/2012)
GilaMonster (1/12/2012)
Evil Kraig F (1/11/2012)
GilaMonster (1/11/2012)
Errrrr... Someone(s) want to tackle this? http://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic1234441-61-1.aspxAlready responded. I'm waiting to see his answer before continuing.
I just had a look over his posting history, surprised he gets any answers at all.
Yikes. Serious attitude problem. I just don't understand why people jump ugly when they're asking for help.
Yes, he's got an atttitude probl;em - but it was provoked, one can see why he has it. I'm amazed at the way that people who I thought (from reading their posts in these forums) were civilised have jumped so hard on someone who was upset by a totally unhelpful and somewhat insulting reply to his query. Yes, some of his posts have been deserving of criticism - but so have some of the replies that perhaps provoked those posts, and no-one seems to have noticed that.
edit: I haven't looked at the posting history - just the the thread referenced here and the first thread it references - so maybe I'm reacting on insufficient evidence. But if so, I'll guess that people are kicking him for previous sins, aunjustifiable on currect behaviour - and we ought to recognise that people can reform.
Tom
January 12, 2012 at 9:27 pm
Ninja's_RGR'us (1/12/2012)
GSquared (1/12/2012)
Steve Jones - SSC Editor (1/12/2012)
Some people can't be helped, or don't want to. The best thing in that thread, and in others, is to post one answer, then drop it. Don't chime in to show him he's wrong, don't add to the argument. He/she isn't going to agree to like what you say, so the best way to handle it is to ignore him/her.I think the first reply there should have been "Don't feed the troll", and that whole thread would be the better for it.
Maybe but it wouldn't right for other people reading that later on.
He seems troll-ish, but I've had other posters that looked like that and they were just feeling miserable, suicidale, so I prefer to avoid that confrontation if possible.
That's the first sensible comment I've seen on this. Thanks Remi, for bringing some sanity into this witch-hunt.
Tom
January 12, 2012 at 9:49 pm
http://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic1234690-2799-2.aspx?Update=1
Still battling with this one.
As far as I know, I tried everything, no luck.
Time to escalate to Microsoft?
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This thing is addressing problems that dont exist. Its solution-ism at its worst. We are dumbing down machines that are inherently superior. - Gilfoyle
January 12, 2012 at 9:52 pm
Bex (1/12/2012)
Cadavre (1/12/2012)
I'm going to continue posting, reading and answering questions on this site for one simple reason: I learn as much if not more than those that I've helped. Either from someone else posting a superior solution or simply from attempting to answer the question in the first place.This site is great and the majority of the posters (I can only think of three regular posters that don't) that attempt to answer questions do so with a great amount of patience in helping others to understand their solution.
I don't post because I either don't have the answer, or else by the time I read a thread, it has already been answered more fully than I could add anything to it. On the very rare occassion I can help, I do so happily.
Bex
I too suffer from the "it's already been answered" problem, so I don't post many answers. Sometimes when I've answered it's been because despite the question being absolutely clear and unambiguous everyone whose previously responded has asked for extra information although it isn't really needed to provide an answer (which annoys me no end) - presumably because they have a fixed set of resuirements which apply whether relevant or not. (The people who do this are generally far more competent and knowledgeable with SQL Server than I am, but .....).
Tom
January 12, 2012 at 10:10 pm
Evil Kraig F (1/12/2012)
On a side note, SQL Know It All is someone I'll be watching for. I get where he's coming from but I might be able to soften his approach. Yeah, I know, me looking to help someone with tact is like a bomber bringing flowers.
No Craig, I have to disagree with you here. Compared to that guy you are perfect model of tact and good manners and politeness - there's just no time I have ever seen a post from you that was so crassly insulting to anyone as some of the stuff I've seen from him.
edit: Is olc leam litreachadh deòradh sasunnach (I detest this alien English spelling).
Tom
January 13, 2012 at 2:10 am
L' Eomot Inversé (1/12/2012)
edit: I haven't looked at the posting history - just the the thread referenced here and the first thread it references - so maybe I'm reacting on insufficient evidence. But if so, I'll guess that people are kicking him for previous sins, aunjustifiable on currect behaviour - and we ought to recognise that people can reform.
Have a look at the thread where he laid into Gus for asking for more info. From all in that rant thread, that's the one that he's most angry about, not the 'raiserror' issue
Gail Shaw
Microsoft Certified Master: SQL Server, MVP, M.Sc (Comp Sci)
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January 13, 2012 at 2:18 am
L' Eomot Inversé (1/12/2012)
Compared to that guy you are perfect model of tact and good manners and politeness - there's just no time I have ever seen a post from you that was so crassly insulting to anyone as some of the stuff I've seen from him.edit: Is olc leam litreachadh deòradh sasunnach (I detest this alien English spelling).
I'm loathe to change that opinion of me but as a single example I was abusing every one of Celko's posts at one point, and I'm not always a model citizen. I believe a few months ago I was foaming at the mouth to verbally abuse someone here. *shrugs* Luckily some folks here see enough value in me to simply PM me when I'm getting out of hand and smack me upside the back of the head before it gets out of control. 😎
Thank you for the compliment, though. It's nice to see it's mostly working. 🙂
So, on another note... Anyone's team still in the playoffs for American Football?
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January 13, 2012 at 2:46 am
L' Eomot Inversé (1/12/2012)
edit: I haven't looked at the posting history - just the the thread referenced here and the first thread it references - so maybe I'm reacting on insufficient evidence. But if so, I'll guess that people are kicking him for previous sins, aunjustifiable on currect behaviour - and we ought to recognise that people can reform.
He was insulting someone who was trying to help him. I don't see any problem with GSquard's tone even, he was polite in asking too.
http://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic1232752-1633-1.aspx
January 13, 2012 at 4:04 am
L' Eomot Inversé (1/12/2012)
Grant Fritchey (1/12/2012)
GilaMonster (1/12/2012)
Evil Kraig F (1/11/2012)
GilaMonster (1/11/2012)
Errrrr... Someone(s) want to tackle this? http://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic1234441-61-1.aspxAlready responded. I'm waiting to see his answer before continuing.
I just had a look over his posting history, surprised he gets any answers at all.
Yikes. Serious attitude problem. I just don't understand why people jump ugly when they're asking for help.
Yes, he's got an atttitude probl;em - but it was provoked, one can see why he has it. I'm amazed at the way that people who I thought (from reading their posts in these forums) were civilised have jumped so hard on someone who was upset by a totally unhelpful and somewhat insulting reply to his query. Yes, some of his posts have been deserving of criticism - but so have some of the replies that perhaps provoked those posts, and no-one seems to have noticed that.
edit: I haven't looked at the posting history - just the the thread referenced here and the first thread it references - so maybe I'm reacting on insufficient evidence. But if so, I'll guess that people are kicking him for previous sins, aunjustifiable on currect behaviour - and we ought to recognise that people can reform.
I looked through his posting history, which isn't that long. Some of his stuff was justified, but some of it wasn't. It's the whole thing about getting terribly upset about people asking questions about his question that I tried to understand. He wouldn't answer and I was not in any way nasty. I answered his questions respectfully and fulling and directly, but I asked for more information, like a conversation. It was a ignored and he spent time tossing out more passive/aggressive crap. That's when I left. Not sure what's happened since. I unsubscribed.
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January 13, 2012 at 7:04 am
L' Eomot Inversé (1/12/2012)
Grant Fritchey (1/12/2012)
GilaMonster (1/12/2012)
Evil Kraig F (1/11/2012)
GilaMonster (1/11/2012)
Errrrr... Someone(s) want to tackle this? http://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic1234441-61-1.aspxAlready responded. I'm waiting to see his answer before continuing.
I just had a look over his posting history, surprised he gets any answers at all.
Yikes. Serious attitude problem. I just don't understand why people jump ugly when they're asking for help.
Yes, he's got an atttitude probl;em - but it was provoked, one can see why he has it. I'm amazed at the way that people who I thought (from reading their posts in these forums) were civilised have jumped so hard on someone who was upset by a totally unhelpful and somewhat insulting reply to his query. Yes, some of his posts have been deserving of criticism - but so have some of the replies that perhaps provoked those posts, and no-one seems to have noticed that.
edit: I haven't looked at the posting history - just the the thread referenced here and the first thread it references - so maybe I'm reacting on insufficient evidence. But if so, I'll guess that people are kicking him for previous sins, aunjustifiable on currect behaviour - and we ought to recognise that people can reform.
Tom, you won't see the thread where he just jumped right in and got incredibly insulting with me. You won't see it because he went back and replaced all his posts with garbage strings of random characters. (Does that count as a "virtual delete"?)
All I did was politely ask him to clarify his question, and he jumped right in with "do I need to tell you what SQL is, what a query is, what a computer is?" and "how hard is it to just answer a question, what's wrong with you?" and other, similar posts. About 6 posts in a row, all incredibly arrogant and insulting to me. I'd never interacted with him before that at all, so if he was attacking me because of feeling peevish over SQLKnowItAll's interactions with him, he may have had some very slight justification, but it was, at best, a serious over-reaction to a simple, polite, request for clarification. Being over-the-top rude to Person B because Person A was rude to you isn't adult behavior.
I wrote back to him that if was going to be rude, I was going to take my help elsewhere.
He responded by starting his thread about how horrible we all are. In that thread, I pointed out to him how rude he'd been to me. His response was to mock me more.
At best, he's being seriously childish. More likely, this is someone who is just arrogant and rude, possibly even a full-on troll who feeds his ego on getting a rise out of people.
Regardless of potential provocation by others, his responses and interactions with me have been universally rude, non-professional, deliberately insulting, and trollish. I'm not dealing with him any more if I can help it. I have better things to do with my time.
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January 13, 2012 at 7:05 am
What's the general feeling about asking Steve to remove that "Question for the Experts" thread? +1 vote here.
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