January 12, 2012 at 6:03 am
mtillman-921105 (1/11/2012)
Wasn't there a band named the Sex Pixels?
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January 12, 2012 at 6:12 am
Bex (1/12/2012)
Grant Fritchey (1/12/2012)
GilaMonster (1/12/2012)
Evil Kraig F (1/11/2012)
GilaMonster (1/11/2012)
Errrrr... Someone(s) want to tackle this? http://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic1234441-61-1.aspxAlready responded. I'm waiting to see his answer before continuing.
I just had a look over his posting history, surprised he gets any answers at all.
Yikes. Serious attitude problem. I just don't understand why people jump ugly when they're asking for help.
From someone who is a lurker on this site, I take the attitude that if I ask for free help and I don't like the reponses I am getting, I am free to go pay for some I do like elsewhere. I was taught that good manners cost nothing, and as I got older discovered that there are a lot of tech forums where advice and help is also free, providing you 'help them to help you'.
imho (and I may be very wrong), I got the impression the op was almost suggesting that some people post replies asking questions as a form of ego, whereas I (and most posters here) see them for what they are; "help us to help you".
I just know that if I am ever in a situation that overwhelms me and that BOL and Googling can't help me with, I'll be happy to answer any questions anyone who is trying to help me asks. I'm owed nothing, and that so many people give of their time and expertise is something I am very, very grateful for (I often come to this site before Google and have solved quite a few issues through answers to previously answered questions).
- apologies for ramble, I just felt quite strongly about it.
Bex
No need for an apology.
This particular guy, he posted a question about passing parameters in SSRS reports to the SQL engine. The question wasn't clear, because he mentioned multi-select controls, but then went on about concatenating two strings together, and never made it clear what the actual problem was. Based on the original post, he knows how to pass a parameter to a query, but the question seemed to be "how do I pass a parameter to a query".
I asked for clarification on the question. He went onto a rant about having to explain what SQL was to me, and asking me if I needed him to tell me what a computer is.
I called him out on it.
He deleted most of his posts in that thread, replacing them with strings of random characters, and then posted a few more insults.
That was yesterday. This new post is almost certainly a continuation of that. He's probably just hoping to get some others to join him in his opinion about me.
Standard operating pattern for a certain unpleasant personality type. Nothing unusual enough to even be interesting.
- Gus "GSquared", RSVP, OODA, MAP, NMVP, FAQ, SAT, SQL, DNA, RNA, UOI, IOU, AM, PM, AD, BC, BCE, USA, UN, CF, ROFL, LOL, ETC
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January 12, 2012 at 6:23 am
And here I was thinking he was a noob who'd seen the first couple of pages of The Thread and got insulted.
Of course, I didn't check his posting history because all of you had already posted additional commentary on his background.
January 12, 2012 at 6:28 am
Bex (1/12/2012)
From someone who is a lurker on this site, I take the attitude that if I ask for free help and I don't like the reponses I am getting, I am free to go pay for some I do like elsewhere. I was taught that good manners cost nothing, and as I got older discovered that there are a lot of tech forums where advice and help is also free, providing you 'help them to help you'.
Fantastic. Please feel free to lurk less and post more, your attitude is unfortunately rare these days
Gail Shaw
Microsoft Certified Master: SQL Server, MVP, M.Sc (Comp Sci)
SQL In The Wild: Discussions on DB performance with occasional diversions into recoverability
January 12, 2012 at 6:46 am
GilaMonster (1/12/2012)
Bex (1/12/2012)
From someone who is a lurker on this site, I take the attitude that if I ask for free help and I don't like the reponses I am getting, I am free to go pay for some I do like elsewhere. I was taught that good manners cost nothing, and as I got older discovered that there are a lot of tech forums where advice and help is also free, providing you 'help them to help you'.Fantastic. Please feel free to lurk less and post more, your attitude is unfortunately rare these days
Ditto.
And remember, the more you post, the more you learn. Even if you're wrong, if you're willing to be corrected, your knowledge will increase by leaps and bounds more than if you just read. Practice makes perfect and all that.
January 12, 2012 at 6:54 am
Brandie Tarvin (1/12/2012)
GilaMonster (1/12/2012)
Bex (1/12/2012)
From someone who is a lurker on this site, I take the attitude that if I ask for free help and I don't like the reponses I am getting, I am free to go pay for some I do like elsewhere. I was taught that good manners cost nothing, and as I got older discovered that there are a lot of tech forums where advice and help is also free, providing you 'help them to help you'.Fantastic. Please feel free to lurk less and post more, your attitude is unfortunately rare these days
Ditto.
And remember, the more you post, the more you learn. Even if you're wrong, if you're willing to be corrected, your knowledge will increase by leaps and bounds more than if you just read. Practice makes perfect and all that.
Re-ditto.
I started out by posting answers straight off the bat a few years ago. Boy did I need a lot of correction back then! WOW!
I was actually looking at the discussions on my audit trails articles just yesterday. Posted those articles in '08. Wow! They definitely needed a lot of correction. Someone in the forum had to tell me what a server-side trace was, for example.
Learned a LOT from corrections, et al, to what I posted. Jeff is the main one I remember flinging more than a few porkchops my way.
These days, I've learned enough that Gail, Paul, Jeff, et al, only have to call me out a few times a month, instead of several times per day. I take that as evidence of a bit of learnin' on my part. I got edumicated right quick, and largely due to participation. (Judging by my post-count, perhaps too much participation.)
- Gus "GSquared", RSVP, OODA, MAP, NMVP, FAQ, SAT, SQL, DNA, RNA, UOI, IOU, AM, PM, AD, BC, BCE, USA, UN, CF, ROFL, LOL, ETC
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January 12, 2012 at 7:03 am
GSquared (1/12/2012)
I was actually looking at the discussions on my audit trails articles just yesterday. Posted those articles in '08. Wow! They definitely needed a lot of correction.
I felt the same way when I sat down to rewrite my transaction log article late last year. It was terribly written, vague and wrong in several places. My reaction was along the lines of 'Who wrote this pile of garbage, oh wait, I did."
Gail Shaw
Microsoft Certified Master: SQL Server, MVP, M.Sc (Comp Sci)
SQL In The Wild: Discussions on DB performance with occasional diversions into recoverability
January 12, 2012 at 7:12 am
GilaMonster (1/12/2012)
GSquared (1/12/2012)
I was actually looking at the discussions on my audit trails articles just yesterday. Posted those articles in '08. Wow! They definitely needed a lot of correction.I felt the same way when I sat down to rewrite my transaction log article late last year. It was terribly written, vague and wrong in several places. My reaction was along the lines of 'Who wrote this pile of garbage, oh wait, I did."
I'm seriously considering putting a sig that says.
WAIT, watch when I posted this. If it's over 1 year old, consider reposting a question in case I was wrong when I posted this.
January 12, 2012 at 7:15 am
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Bex
imho (and I may be very wrong), I got the impression the op was almost suggesting that some people post replies asking questions as a form of ego, whereas I (and most posters here) see them for what they are; "help us to help you".
I too usually lurk here, sponging off the thoughts of many. On occasions, I have provided my thoughts on a problem or question without thought to whether there might be some underlying issue such as whether or not the OP is asking for homework assistance or other. I have been on this forum for a long time and have seen many come and go.
I have seen fortunately only a very few who, IN MY OPINION, are here with either an ego or their own agenda (no names). There is currently one that I have this opinion of and choose to limit what I read from him/her.
I do get concerned that in some of those opinions that a person can be ostracized from becoming a more active future participant in the group because of some of these answers/attitudes. For the most part, I agree with asking questions in order to fully identify what is being asked. But on occasion there is also the appearance of some (one or two) who may be using this forum of “free professional volunteers” to generate business rather than answer a question, which then seems to escalate the tensions with the OP.
Yes, I have asked questions in the past, usually because I see that there is someone whose opinion I respect available and I do not always have the time to google, or have googled and read several opinions and am asking someone whose opinion I once again may respect or know. Or maybe even because I have seen the question/problem here before.
I don't usually post to this area for the same reasons, the appearance of a clique, which I know is wrong - but appearances are generated.
Again, just my humble opinion!
Steve Jimmo
Sr DBA
“If we ever forget that we are One Nation Under God, then we will be a Nation gone under." - Ronald Reagan
January 12, 2012 at 7:33 am
GilaMonster (1/12/2012)
Bex (1/12/2012)
From someone who is a lurker on this site, I take the attitude that if I ask for free help and I don't like the reponses I am getting, I am free to go pay for some I do like elsewhere. I was taught that good manners cost nothing, and as I got older discovered that there are a lot of tech forums where advice and help is also free, providing you 'help them to help you'.Fantastic. Please feel free to lurk less and post more, your attitude is unfortunately rare these days
+1. That's how I look at it as well. One problem is that some people seem to think we are paid for answering questions, when we do it because we ENJOY it, most of the time anyway.
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January 12, 2012 at 7:36 am
GilaMonster (1/12/2012)
GSquared (1/12/2012)
I was actually looking at the discussions on my audit trails articles just yesterday. Posted those articles in '08. Wow! They definitely needed a lot of correction.I felt the same way when I sat down to rewrite my transaction log article late last year. It was terribly written, vague and wrong in several places. My reaction was along the lines of 'Who wrote this pile of garbage, oh wait, I did."
Pretty much where I'm at on mine.
Thinking I need to do a Part III on the audit trails one, to add newer data and corrections, and a Part II on hierarchies to add in HierarchyID and corrections.
- Gus "GSquared", RSVP, OODA, MAP, NMVP, FAQ, SAT, SQL, DNA, RNA, UOI, IOU, AM, PM, AD, BC, BCE, USA, UN, CF, ROFL, LOL, ETC
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January 12, 2012 at 7:47 am
GilaMonster (1/12/2012)
Evil Kraig F (1/11/2012)
GilaMonster (1/11/2012)
Errrrr... Someone(s) want to tackle this? http://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic1234441-61-1.aspxAlready responded. I'm waiting to see his answer before continuing.
I just had a look over his posting history, surprised he gets any answers at all.
I have a four letter word in mind for him in regards to his 2+2 question:-D
Jason...AKA CirqueDeSQLeil
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SQL RNNR
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January 12, 2012 at 7:50 am
Bex (1/12/2012)
Grant Fritchey (1/12/2012)
GilaMonster (1/12/2012)
Evil Kraig F (1/11/2012)
GilaMonster (1/11/2012)
Errrrr... Someone(s) want to tackle this? http://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic1234441-61-1.aspxAlready responded. I'm waiting to see his answer before continuing.
I just had a look over his posting history, surprised he gets any answers at all.
Yikes. Serious attitude problem. I just don't understand why people jump ugly when they're asking for help.
From someone who is a lurker on this site, I take the attitude that if I ask for free help and I don't like the reponses I am getting, I am free to go pay for some I do like elsewhere. I was taught that good manners cost nothing, and as I got older discovered that there are a lot of tech forums where advice and help is also free, providing you 'help them to help you'.
imho (and I may be very wrong), I got the impression the op was almost suggesting that some people post replies asking questions as a form of ego, whereas I (and most posters here) see them for what they are; "help us to help you".
I just know that if I am ever in a situation that overwhelms me and that BOL and Googling can't help me with, I'll be happy to answer any questions anyone who is trying to help me asks. I'm owed nothing, and that so many people give of their time and expertise is something I am very, very grateful for (I often come to this site before Google and have solved quite a few issues through answers to previously answered questions).
- apologies for ramble, I just felt quite strongly about it.
Bex
No apologies needed.
Nice to see your opinions and gratitude.
Jason...AKA CirqueDeSQLeil
_______________________________________________
I have given a name to my pain...MCM SQL Server, MVP
SQL RNNR
Posting Performance Based Questions - Gail Shaw[/url]
Learn Extended Events
January 12, 2012 at 7:51 am
SQLRNNR (1/12/2012)
GilaMonster (1/12/2012)
Evil Kraig F (1/11/2012)
GilaMonster (1/11/2012)
Errrrr... Someone(s) want to tackle this? http://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic1234441-61-1.aspxAlready responded. I'm waiting to see his answer before continuing.
I just had a look over his posting history, surprised he gets any answers at all.
I have a four letter word in mind for him in regards to his 2+2 question:-D
EDIT, quote bug!
SELECT Question + Answer FROM OP
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January 12, 2012 at 8:05 am
sjimmo (1/12/2012)
ABex
imho (and I may be very wrong), I got the impression the op was almost suggesting that some people post replies asking questions as a form of ego, whereas I (and most posters here) see them for what they are; "help us to help you".
I too usually lurk here, sponging off the thoughts of many. On occasions, I have provided my thoughts on a problem or question without thought to whether there might be some underlying issue such as whether or not the OP is asking for homework assistance or other. I have been on this forum for a long time and have seen many come and go.
I have seen fortunately only a very few who, IN MY OPINION, are here with either an ego or their own agenda (no names). There is currently one that I have this opinion of and choose to limit what I read from him/her.
I do get concerned that in some of those opinions that a person can be ostracized from becoming a more active future participant in the group because of some of these answers/attitudes. For the most part, I agree with asking questions in order to fully identify what is being asked. But on occasion there is also the appearance of some (one or two) who may be using this forum of “free professional volunteers” to generate business rather than answer a question, which then seems to escalate the tensions with the OP.
Yes, I have asked questions in the past, usually because I see that there is someone whose opinion I respect available and I do not always have the time to google, or have googled and read several opinions and am asking someone whose opinion I once again may respect or know. Or maybe even because I have seen the question/problem here before.
I don't usually post to this area for the same reasons, the appearance of a clique, which I know is wrong - but appearances are generated.
Again, just my humble opinion!
There is a degree of clique-ishness here. Any group that has different degrees of frequency of participation will develop that to one degree or another. Knee-jerk reactions will develop towards certain people as well (Joe Celko, for example), which aren't always appropriate. I hope it isn't too strong, and there is a general attitude of acceptance of multiple viewpoints and all that.
And I agree that alienation can be a problem and try to avoid it. At the same time, there are boundaries of common manners and respect that need to be adhered to for any group to function at all, and those who violate those common rules do sometimes need to be corrected on that. Every human group has mechanisms for that kind of thing.
So, appologies if anything I've done has lead to any sense of isolation/alienation on your part. I try to avoid that, but "try" and "succeed" aren't always the same verbs.
- Gus "GSquared", RSVP, OODA, MAP, NMVP, FAQ, SAT, SQL, DNA, RNA, UOI, IOU, AM, PM, AD, BC, BCE, USA, UN, CF, ROFL, LOL, ETC
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