January 3, 2012 at 12:35 pm
GilaMonster (1/3/2012)
Divine Flame (1/3/2012)
I would request them (the bosses) again to postpone it for few weeks but don't know if they will agree :hehe:.Well, it's that or you buy materials (or read from Books Online) and give a poor presentation, because you don't have time to even prep pre-done materials properly.
Oh, and there's also no way you can discuss all of those topics in detail in 2 days. High level overview with a few details, sure, but not in detail on all of them. Architecture on its own is most of a day if done in detail. Performance tuning in detail is a week, maybe two, high availability (log shipping, mirroring, clustering and replication) might fit into a day, but it would require a lot be left out. Backup and restore is at least a day (unless you're just going to discuss full and log backups and full restores)
You are right Gail. I must say, I can't speak for a week on performance tuning unless I am not as knowledgable as You 🙂 (although I always wish for that 😉 )
January 3, 2012 at 12:36 pm
Evil Kraig F (1/3/2012)
Brandie Tarvin (1/2/2012)
What in particular did you have problems with that you call it shark jumping?- Magic Hackers (and the death of old-school deck building)
- RFIDs
- PDA SIN network
- Near loss of Credsticks
- Super Duper Wi-Fi Network
Well, technomancers aren't really magic, but ... I see your point on that one.
RFIDS exist today, so I'm not sure how that's jumping the shark.
The SIN network existed before, it just wasn't attached to wireless commlinks.
Certified Credsticks still exist and are runners preferred method of payment since they can't be tracked, so I'm not sure about why this is an issue.
The Wi-Fi stuff gets overplayed by a lot of players. Yes, the Matrix is wireless, but there are a lot of corps and businesses (like today) that are not stupid enough to put their systems on wireless nodes. We're trying to make the point to GMs and players alike that hard-wired systems still exist and are still used. And that people do still use things like old fashioned combo locks, etc.
I'm sorry you had such a bad experience, but I will tell you that a lot of the stuff you have issues with came up in 3rd edition and 4th edition tried to fix the system breaks put in by 3rd... Except for the technos. Those are definitely 4th ed based off a 3rd ed character type (otaku).
January 3, 2012 at 12:41 pm
Divine Flame (1/3/2012)
I must say, I can't speak for a week on performance tuning...
5 day course on performance tuning: http://www.sqlskills.com/T_ImmersionPerformanceTuning.asp
And note that that course is purely on the admin side. Nothing about writing queries for performance, query patterns, database design, nothing about indexing (that's a day or more in a different course).
Gail Shaw
Microsoft Certified Master: SQL Server, MVP, M.Sc (Comp Sci)
SQL In The Wild: Discussions on DB performance with occasional diversions into recoverability
January 3, 2012 at 12:54 pm
GilaMonster (1/3/2012)
Divine Flame (1/3/2012)
I must say, I can't speak for a week on performance tuning...5 day course on performance tuning: http://www.sqlskills.com/T_ImmersionPerformanceTuning.asp
And note that that course is purely on the admin side. Nothing about writing queries for performance, query patterns, database design, nothing about indexing (that's a day or more in a different course).
I hope you have not taken my words in a wrong sense. What I tried to say is, unless you (as you really make learning about performance tuning exciting & interesting) are not giving the training, audience will not listen for a week. Atleast, they will not listen to me for sure :-D.
January 3, 2012 at 1:40 pm
Brandie Tarvin (1/3/2012)
RFIDS exist today, so I'm not sure how that's jumping the shark.
"I just ate at Whattaburger!" I mean seriously, they're tossing them in food for advertising assistance in the VR, at least as far as all the subtext is written. It was just taken too far.
The SIN network existed before, it just wasn't attached to wireless commlinks.
True, it was just a lot easier to hide before.
Certified Credsticks still exist and are runners preferred method of payment since they can't be tracked, so I'm not sure about why this is an issue.
Because instead of being a standard method of doing business, it dang near immediately indicates criminal activities, otherwise why go through all the hassle? Being caught with a credstick is like being caught with lockpicks. They're not illegal, but welcome to a very deep personal interview.
The Wi-Fi stuff gets overplayed by a lot of players. Yes, the Matrix is wireless, but there are a lot of corps and businesses (like today) that are not stupid enough to put their systems on wireless nodes. We're trying to make the point to GMs and players alike that hard-wired systems still exist and are still used. And that people do still use things like old fashioned combo locks, etc.
You'll practically have to rewrite a lot of text in the supporting manuals. The inference is that nearly everyone's on the wi-fi now. Obviously not the archologies and the like, but this may be a matter of taste. Doing a run on Renraku is like going up and smacking a dragon, at your own risk. Your average run, at least in the worlds I usually run, is on Bob's Walmart FOR Renraku, because they want enough data to take down Bob and kick him out of business. Most Shadowteams wouldn't have the power to truly take on an Archive (for example).
Imagine being mid run, picking a maglock, and having the local security elemental tap you on the shoulder for identification. Twitch. With the resources available to the megacorps that's not exactly an unreasonable possibility considering your wage-mage is paid to simply sit there and do those things. Then you get sprayed by $.01 RFIDs as you try to run away. They're too cheap.
I'm sorry you had such a bad experience, but I will tell you that a lot of the stuff you have issues with came up in 3rd edition and 4th edition tried to fix the system breaks put in by 3rd... Except for the technos. Those are definitely 4th ed based off a 3rd ed character type (otaku).
I'd heard 3rd was horrible for all the inconsistencies and breaks, but I missed that generation of the game. It's all good, I still love the world. I just don't like playing in it anymore. The way it's built (which is theoretically logical) just doesn't make for the over-the-top insanity that I used to enjoy from it.
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January 3, 2012 at 2:01 pm
GilaMonster (1/3/2012)
Divine Flame (1/3/2012)
I would request them (the bosses) again to postpone it for few weeks but don't know if they will agree :hehe:.Well, it's that or you buy materials (or read from Books Online) and give a poor presentation, because you don't have time to even prep pre-done materials properly.
Oh, and there's also no way you can discuss all of those topics in detail in 2 days. High level overview with a few details, sure, but not in detail on all of them. Architecture on its own is most of a day if done in detail. Performance tuning in detail is a week, maybe two, high availability (log shipping, mirroring, clustering and replication) might fit into a day, but it would require a lot be left out. Backup and restore is at least a day (unless you're just going to discuss full and log backups and full restores)
Total agreement! I think that Sujeet's bosses perhaps have a very different conception of "in detail" from yours (and indeed from mine). Two days for those 8 topics is at best a quick whistlestop tour hitting the highlights and maybe pointing to some landmark-type details, at worst a recital of some SQL Server marketing documents. To do genuine in-detail training, properly covering all 8 topics and allowing adequate time for proper discussion of issues raised by the "trainees" is at least a 13 full day excercise, more likely 3 full weeks, and the preparation time needed to do it properly if you haven't done it before must be getting on for half a (wo)man year.
Tom
January 3, 2012 at 6:45 pm
L' Eomot Inversé (1/3/2012)
GilaMonster (1/3/2012)
Divine Flame (1/3/2012)
I would request them (the bosses) again to postpone it for few weeks but don't know if they will agree :hehe:.Well, it's that or you buy materials (or read from Books Online) and give a poor presentation, because you don't have time to even prep pre-done materials properly.
Oh, and there's also no way you can discuss all of those topics in detail in 2 days. High level overview with a few details, sure, but not in detail on all of them. Architecture on its own is most of a day if done in detail. Performance tuning in detail is a week, maybe two, high availability (log shipping, mirroring, clustering and replication) might fit into a day, but it would require a lot be left out. Backup and restore is at least a day (unless you're just going to discuss full and log backups and full restores)
Total agreement! I think that Sujeet's bosses perhaps have a very different conception of "in detail" from yours (and indeed from mine). Two days for those 8 topics is at best a quick whistlestop tour hitting the highlights and maybe pointing to some landmark-type details, at worst a recital of some SQL Server marketing documents. To do genuine in-detail training, properly covering all 8 topics and allowing adequate time for proper discussion of issues raised by the "trainees" is at least a 13 full day excercise, more likely 3 full weeks, and the preparation time needed to do it properly if you haven't done it before must be getting on for half a (wo)man year.
Which almost leads one into the question of what would 2 days of training would be expected to accomplish?
Just enough to make people very dangerous?
Maybe the discussion would be not to just delay, but break into some bite size chunks that give enough training / discussion to be of real value.
I tend to like hands on labs for some of these topics - nothing better than to do some real life excercises to see how things work. And sometimes it helps to be able to go back over these more than once.
Just a couple of random thoughts.
January 3, 2012 at 9:32 pm
Is it just me, or has anyone else noticed what happened to the entry in the left most frame linking to that series of SPACKLE[/B] articles, it seems to have vanished ?
January 3, 2012 at 9:57 pm
How can I convince my manager, and company that its a great idea to send me to SQL 2012 Launch?
http://devconnections.com/shows/sp2012/default.aspx?s=185
flying to the USA from South Africa and accommodation will be much more than the event costs, always the problem.
any advice? 😛
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This thing is addressing problems that dont exist. Its solution-ism at its worst. We are dumbing down machines that are inherently superior. - Gilfoyle
January 3, 2012 at 10:41 pm
Henrico Bekker (1/3/2012)
How can I convince my manager, and company that its a great idea to send me to SQL 2012 Launch?http://devconnections.com/shows/sp2012/default.aspx?s=185
flying to the USA from South Africa and accommodation will be much more than the event costs, always the problem.
any advice? 😛
Ping me by a private e-mail - I can share an idea.
January 4, 2012 at 12:29 am
L' Eomot Inversé (1/3/2012)
GilaMonster (1/3/2012)
Divine Flame (1/3/2012)
I would request them (the bosses) again to postpone it for few weeks but don't know if they will agree :hehe:.Well, it's that or you buy materials (or read from Books Online) and give a poor presentation, because you don't have time to even prep pre-done materials properly.
Oh, and there's also no way you can discuss all of those topics in detail in 2 days. High level overview with a few details, sure, but not in detail on all of them. Architecture on its own is most of a day if done in detail. Performance tuning in detail is a week, maybe two, high availability (log shipping, mirroring, clustering and replication) might fit into a day, but it would require a lot be left out. Backup and restore is at least a day (unless you're just going to discuss full and log backups and full restores)
Total agreement! I think that Sujeet's bosses perhaps have a very different conception of "in detail" from yours (and indeed from mine). Two days for those 8 topics is at best a quick whistlestop tour hitting the highlights and maybe pointing to some landmark-type details, at worst a recital of some SQL Server marketing documents. To do genuine in-detail training, properly covering all 8 topics and allowing adequate time for proper discussion of issues raised by the "trainees" is at least a 13 full day excercise, more likely 3 full weeks, and the preparation time needed to do it properly if you haven't done it before must be getting on for half a (wo)man year.
Have to say, techies usually ignores Management point-of-view ;-). For a Manager (I didn’t say good / bad) it’s a matter of formality. On his records he has arranged for training for resources and now he is clean in HR (Training) records. Also, he can push these resources in a pool to swim whether they survive or die it’s none of his business.
As everyone pointed out 2 days for such training is not sufficient. So I would like to change my definition of ‘detail training’ to meet my manager’s definitions. It will make my life easy because covering these topics at high level (technical definition) won’t cost me a day or two for preparation.
If someone verifies the effectiveness of the training you are still safe. However it looks irrelevant but First Law of Thermodynamics is applicable here. When the energy (knowledge) transforms from one type to another or one system (trainer) of another another (trainee), there is always some loss of energy.
January 4, 2012 at 2:10 am
Henrico Bekker (1/3/2012)
I'm not even trying. I have a very expensive UK trip planned for the middle of the year, I can't afford anything else before that.
Gail Shaw
Microsoft Certified Master: SQL Server, MVP, M.Sc (Comp Sci)
SQL In The Wild: Discussions on DB performance with occasional diversions into recoverability
January 4, 2012 at 2:16 am
GilaMonster (1/4/2012)
Henrico Bekker (1/3/2012)
How can I convince my manager, and company that its a great idea to send me to SQL 2012 Launch?/quote]I'm not even trying. I have a very expensive UK trip planned for the middle of the year, I can't afford anything else before that.
I'm trying to not end up paying for the trip myself, and possibly not doing it, got in contact with a MS person who will help with some ROI etc I can use.
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This thing is addressing problems that dont exist. Its solution-ism at its worst. We are dumbing down machines that are inherently superior. - Gilfoyle
January 4, 2012 at 4:25 am
Revenant (1/3/2012)
Henrico Bekker (1/3/2012)
How can I convince my manager, and company that its a great idea to send me to SQL 2012 Launch?http://devconnections.com/shows/sp2012/default.aspx?s=185
flying to the USA from South Africa and accommodation will be much more than the event costs, always the problem.
any advice? 😛
Ping me by a private e-mail - I can share an idea.
ping!
January 4, 2012 at 4:38 am
GilaMonster (1/3/2012)
Grant Fritchey (1/3/2012)
There is courseware you can purchase, but with only 2 days to prep, you're effectively going to be reading from the slides. Here's a place online that sells it. Last time I taught a three day course on SQL Server it took me three weeks to development materials for the course and another couple of weeks of rehearsals to get ready. I think you're in a tough situation.I generally budget 1 day of preparation per hour of course for any training course that I'm doing from scratch. More if it's to be demo-heavy. So for a two-day training (assuming 8 hours a day), I'd be looking at a little over 3 weeks of development and prep time if doing the course material from scratch. If I had to use someone else's material (which I prefer not to do), maybe a two days per day of course to learn the material well enough to be able to present it properly.
It takes me 1-2 days just to develop and prep a conference presentation of 75-90 minutes.
I feel much better now. I thought that it was just me. 🙂
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