December 19, 2011 at 10:49 am
Revenant (12/19/2011)
bitbucket-25253 (12/19/2011)
. . . Being too darn lazy perfrom the necessary calculations required for rocket engine design by using my slide rule. . . .Yes, we are the last crop of engineers who were taught slide rule calculations. I have not used since I left the school.
I was lucky... I used a circular slide rule. Couldn't lose the yard stick that way and there was no way to poke yourself (or the person next to you) in the eye. 😀
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December 19, 2011 at 10:51 am
Stefan Krzywicki (12/19/2011)
GSquared (12/19/2011)
Stefan Krzywicki (12/19/2011)
Revenant (12/19/2011)
bitbucket-25253 (12/19/2011)
. . . Being too darn lazy perfrom the necessary calculations required for rocket engine design by using my slide rule. . . .Yes, we are the last crop of engineers who were taught slide rule calculations. I have not used since I left the school.
I learned to use a slide rule when I was in grade school. Wasn't required to, just wanted to.
I've heard of these newfangled "slide rule" things. Are they really as much better than clay tablets as the marketing hype keeps saying?
They're even better than the abacus!
I used {drum roll please} Tally sticks once as part of a demonstration of the "old ways".
--Jeff Moden
Change is inevitable... Change for the better is not.
December 19, 2011 at 10:52 am
bitbucket-25253 (12/19/2011)
LutzM Posted Today @ 9:07 AM
Hmmm.... interesting....
Based on the (almost public available) age of the two fellows you're somewhat between 14 and 16 years old. Hard to believe that you've been working all those years since Kindergarden (2011-1970 aprrox. 40, / 4 (factor of experience) = 10 years of experience, brings it down to the age of 4 to 6 when you started to gain "real" IT experience.)
LutzM - now, now you have never heard Jeff Moden calling me 3 days older than dirt... for shame...
Now click and look at my profile - it contains my DOB -- and when you see it execute the DATEDIFF function, then after that come on back ...
Guess where I got the numbers from... But since there's no immediate link to the personal profile, I decided to call it "almost public" 😀
Based on what Dev mentioned and what age is the result from his "hints", a slide rule would have been useful in his hands, too... (I'm just guessing he's older than 14 tho 🙂 )
December 19, 2011 at 10:56 am
Revenant (12/19/2011)
bitbucket-25253 (12/19/2011)
. . . Being too darn lazy perfrom the necessary calculations required for rocket engine design by using my slide rule. . . .Yes, we are the last crop of engineers who were taught slide rule calculations. I have not used since I left the school.
I learned how to use a slide rule in school (not talking college here). Last time I touched one if I remember correctly was like 9th grade. I got my first pocket calculator in high school.
December 19, 2011 at 11:01 am
Revenant (12/19/2011)
Kiara (12/19/2011)
Revenant (12/19/2011)
bitbucket-25253 (12/19/2011)
. . . Being too darn lazy perfrom the necessary calculations required for rocket engine design by using my slide rule. . . .Yes, we are the last crop of engineers who were taught slide rule calculations. I have not used since I left the school.
I'm the same age as Steve, and had to learn to use one in college. And yes, I was an engineering major at the time. 🙂
The year after mine no longer had it on their curriculum.
However, we engineers lost something with its demise: it used to be a status symbol, just like stethoscope for doctors. Nowadays it might be mistaken for a steampunk gadget... 🙂
Now I need to a) find mine and b) put it on my desk. Just because. Perhaps next to the little yellow-handled screwdriver I keep around when invoking St. Vidicon becomes necessary.
-Ki
December 19, 2011 at 11:05 am
You all are older than me. I am a young pup compared to some of you. 🙂 Younger than Steve 😀 So I can call Steve "Old Man" now.
-Roy
December 19, 2011 at 11:51 am
Roy Ernest (12/19/2011)
You all are older than me. I am a young pup compared to some of you. 🙂 Younger than Steve 😀 So I can call Steve "Old Man" now.
I definitely feel old most days.
December 19, 2011 at 12:00 pm
Steve Jones - SSC Editor (12/19/2011)
Roy Ernest (12/19/2011)
You all are older than me. I am a young pup compared to some of you. 🙂 Younger than Steve 😀 So I can call Steve "Old Man" now.I definitely feel old most days.
Some days I feel old enough to retire.
If only dreams could meet reality.
DBBC Timewarp - where are you when I need you?
December 19, 2011 at 12:02 pm
Greg Edwards-268690 (12/19/2011)
DBBC Timewarp - where are you when I need you?
Hiding in the next century, awaiting the day it will be legal and ubiquitous and an official part of SQL Server 3014.
December 19, 2011 at 12:05 pm
Brandie Tarvin (12/19/2011)
Greg Edwards-268690 (12/19/2011)
DBBC Timewarp - where are you when I need you?Hiding in the next century, awaiting the day it will be legal and ubiquitous and an official part of SQL Server 3014.
So it is hiding sometime between 2101 and 2200 awaiting 800-900 years after that? Maybe that makes sense with DBCC Timewarp, I'm no expert.
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December 19, 2011 at 12:13 pm
Stefan Krzywicki (12/19/2011)
Brandie Tarvin (12/19/2011)
Greg Edwards-268690 (12/19/2011)
DBBC Timewarp - where are you when I need you?Hiding in the next century, awaiting the day it will be legal and ubiquitous and an official part of SQL Server 3014.
So it is hiding sometime between 2101 and 2200 awaiting 800-900 years after that? Maybe that makes sense with DBCC Timewarp, I'm no expert.
Well, not only is it a time travel issue, but http://www.xkcd.com/989/.
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December 19, 2011 at 1:43 pm
Good lord. Some of you are Older than Steam!
I'm not even going to get in this old fogie contest, best I can offer is starting out programming Basic on an 8088 in my mom's office when I was 12. Which is probably Iron Age in comparison theory to the Bone Clubs y'all worked with. Wow!
It's wierd to feel young in an online forum these days. Woot woot! I must game too much.
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December 19, 2011 at 2:34 pm
Evil Kraig F (12/19/2011)
It's wierd to feel young in an online forum these days. Woot woot! I must game too much.
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December 19, 2011 at 2:57 pm
Evil Kraig F (12/19/2011)
Good lord. Some of you are Older than Steam!I'm not even going to get in this old fogie contest, best I can offer is starting out programming Basic on an 8088 in my mom's office when I was 12. Which is probably Iron Age in comparison theory to the Bone Clubs y'all worked with. Wow!
It's wierd to feel young in an online forum these days. Woot woot! I must game too much.
Not quite older than steam after all we could always rub two sticks together over some dried grass and cook a meal, that is if we had anything to cook.
But getting somewhat serious - computers / programming / operating systems have come a LONG ways. I can remember when indirect addressing was not yet thought of, and all your code and data had one of two choices,
1. Fit into 32K of memory or
2. You composed (wrote) segmented code, with a main and the main called segments into memory .. my first payroll program consisted of a main and some 9 segments. At that time the so call standards said a main could call a segment, but a segment could NOT return to main. Well that was NEVER adopted by IBM, General Electric, Dec, HP and others (Yes at one time GE made computers - main frame size). Now you can code for days on end, compile and run it .. indirect addressing takes place behind the scenes. We had to divide the program code such that each segment could fit into 16K of core minus space taken by the main segment. Talk about fun and frustration -- one of the reasons I adopted a crew hair cut -- when frustrated I could not pull it out roots and all.
Somehow or other we (old fogies) proved the worth of computers to our managements and so the market grew and grew until it is what it is today mainly as a result of our friend Microsoft ... I can remember talking with a MS team manager and inquiring about what was then called ACCESS and was informed that it could if properly used function as well as a rolodex, you know those individual address cards on a spindle sitting on the corner of your desk.
Another quirk - those old machines when shut down were restarted by reading a series of commands from a roll of punched paper tape. Doubt if many or even anyone remembers that medium.
December 19, 2011 at 4:00 pm
bitbucket-25253 (12/19/2011)
Another quirk - those old machines when shut down were restarted by reading a series of commands from a roll of punched paper tape. Doubt if many or even anyone remembers that medium.
5-hole or 8-hole?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punched_tape
You might be interested in this history of data storage media: http://www.pcworld.com/article/188661/from_paper_tape_to_data_sticks_the_evolution_of_removable_storage.html (In my old college programming classes, I used punched card and cassette tapes. In my first job, they used "disk packs"; a later job used mag tape reels. I've also used tape cartridges, ROM cartridges (games), floppys, opticals, MO, Zip (remember the "click-of-death"?), flopticals, SparQ, various flash formats, and now USB.)
... now that I've suitably aged myself...
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