September 23, 2011 at 11:15 am
Grant Fritchey (9/23/2011)
GSquared (9/23/2011)
Grant Fritchey (9/23/2011)
Steve Jones - SSC Editor (9/23/2011)
Now I feel like an idiot and a little naive for using Amazon so much: http://t.co/gm3hPsGvBased on a long history of reading about muck-raking journalism and its aftermath going all the way back to Sinclair Lewis... I'll bet solid money things are not as much a Dickensian Sweatshop as this article makes it out to be.
Wouldn't take that bet. Too likely to be right. At the same time, "not as much" isn't "is not". There'll be enough truth in it, but it will also be twisted towards an agenda.
Absolutely. And the workers and the company should make changes occur (not the government, please) and likely will. But, I'll pass on a note to Amazon to suggest they improve this & link the article. Even small actions will help when there's enough of them.
I wouldn't take that bet either. I would guess that things are not necessarily as bad as the article makes it sound (maybe 1 bad day, 1 guy passing out), but I would guess the numbers for a "quota" have some validity. Even if it's 1 a minute, it could easily be bad. Using temp workers as well is a great way to save money, increase profit, and abuse people.
We can say workers should leave, but with 10% unemployment, is that really fair? It means the problem is pushed to the next worker. If you're out of work, we always say, you take the work you can, which means open yourself up to potential abuse.
I know you hate the government getting involved but it took government efforts to stem quite a few things in our history. Child labor, though thank to Nike and Kathy Lee Gifford, we know it just got pushed to the next guy (country). Women can work and vote. Non-white get the chance to vote, work, and have equal rights. Those things would never, ever, have become widespread practice if someone wasn't forced.
The left pushes too far, but make no mistake that the people that can, will take every advantage of others that they can.
September 23, 2011 at 11:19 am
I went back and read the article again because it just doesn't feel right to me somehow and then I saw this:
The more I travel, the more I observe that Americans are becoming foreigners to each other. People in Texas speak of people in New York the way certain Sunnis speak of Shiites, and vice versa in New York.
Ha! Dude. In my youth, 30 years ago, I joined the Navy and I was sent all over the country for training and posting, from Oklahoma (home) to Florida (boot camp), to Illinois (A school), to Virginia (waiting for nuke school), to Florida (nuke school), to Idaho (nuke training), to Connecticut (first post), to New Hampshire (dry dock & hell). And you know what? Every single one of those places was radically different than the others. Now, I travel all over the country and after 30 years of cheap travel, more TV, and the Internet, there's a really boring sameness to all these places now. Lots of the distinctive flavors that used to be there are gone. AND they're much less abrasive & ignorant about people from other places than they used to be. This guy is just WAY off. Also, if he thinks modern society is more abrasive than it used to be... read some history. That's all I'm saying.
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September 23, 2011 at 11:19 am
The left pushes too far, but make no mistake that the people that can, will take every advantage of others that they can.
This is one of the main reason I can't see myself any other way than self employed.
It's also why I think as an employer, I have the responsibility to make sure I provide great conditions to my employees. (just myself for now, but if we all do it... it'll spread around pretty darn fast).
September 23, 2011 at 11:24 am
GilaMonster (9/22/2011)
EXEC TotalChangeOfSubjectSQL Server MVP Deep Dives 2 will soon be available for pre-order and early access via Manning publishers: http://www.manning.com/delaney/
Chapter 8: "The how and why of Page Restores", Grant also wrote a chapter, I don't recall which one
All proceeds to charity.
Do you know how soon is soon?
September 23, 2011 at 11:29 am
Ninja's_RGR'us (9/23/2011)
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EXEC TotalChangeOfSubjectSQL Server MVP Deep Dives 2 will soon be available for pre-order and early access via Manning publishers: http://www.manning.com/delaney/
Chapter 8: "The how and why of Page Restores", Grant also wrote a chapter, I don't recall which one
All proceeds to charity.
Do you know how soon is soon?
If things go according to plan, less than 3 weeks.
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September 23, 2011 at 11:41 am
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GilaMonster (9/22/2011)
EXEC TotalChangeOfSubjectSQL Server MVP Deep Dives 2 will soon be available for pre-order and early access via Manning publishers: http://www.manning.com/delaney/
Chapter 8: "The how and why of Page Restores", Grant also wrote a chapter, I don't recall which one
All proceeds to charity.
Do you know how soon is soon?
Planned for October for the print edition.
http://www.manning.com/delaney/
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September 23, 2011 at 11:53 am
Steve Jones - SSC Editor (9/23/2011)
Grant Fritchey (9/23/2011)
GSquared (9/23/2011)
Grant Fritchey (9/23/2011)
Steve Jones - SSC Editor (9/23/2011)
Now I feel like an idiot and a little naive for using Amazon so much: http://t.co/gm3hPsGvBased on a long history of reading about muck-raking journalism and its aftermath going all the way back to Sinclair Lewis... I'll bet solid money things are not as much a Dickensian Sweatshop as this article makes it out to be.
Wouldn't take that bet. Too likely to be right. At the same time, "not as much" isn't "is not". There'll be enough truth in it, but it will also be twisted towards an agenda.
Absolutely. And the workers and the company should make changes occur (not the government, please) and likely will. But, I'll pass on a note to Amazon to suggest they improve this & link the article. Even small actions will help when there's enough of them.
I wouldn't take that bet either. I would guess that things are not necessarily as bad as the article makes it sound (maybe 1 bad day, 1 guy passing out), but I would guess the numbers for a "quota" have some validity. Even if it's 1 a minute, it could easily be bad. Using temp workers as well is a great way to save money, increase profit, and abuse people.
We can say workers should leave, but with 10% unemployment, is that really fair? It means the problem is pushed to the next worker. If you're out of work, we always say, you take the work you can, which means open yourself up to potential abuse.
I know you hate the government getting involved but it took government efforts to stem quite a few things in our history. Child labor, though thank to Nike and Kathy Lee Gifford, we know it just got pushed to the next guy (country). Women can work and vote. Non-white get the chance to vote, work, and have equal rights. Those things would never, ever, have become widespread practice if someone wasn't forced.
The left pushes too far, but make no mistake that the people that can, will take every advantage of others that they can.
Totally agreed.
And, to set the record straight, I don't think the government should never get involved. I think it should get involved when the threat of force is the best solution to the problem. That's rare, but it does come up.
Ending slavery took not only the threat of force, it took over 100-thousand deaths in a gruesome war. Necessary? Yep.
Ending racial segregation? Yep. I would NOT want to have been that little girl, Ruby Bridges, without her armed, government escort. Threat of force was needed to solve that problem.
On the other hand, I find it amusing that you put right-to-vote in there, since that is government, by definition. Voting is government, so saying "government intervention was necessary in order for government to work" seems kind of circular to me. Voting is, by function, the exercise of the threat of force. There's no separating the two in the realm of law.
As far as people taking advantage of each other? Yeah, taking as much advantage as possible is our best and worst feature, all in one. It's what makes us the apex predator of this world, with all the good and bad that causes. What we need is ethics strong enough to hold to a standard of mutual good, instead of mutual predation. On the day when mankind can trust one another, we will have peace on Earth, but not a second before then.
But we've beaten that dead horse before.
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September 23, 2011 at 12:01 pm
Grant Fritchey (9/23/2011)
I went back and read the article again because it just doesn't feel right to me somehow and then I saw this:The more I travel, the more I observe that Americans are becoming foreigners to each other. People in Texas speak of people in New York the way certain Sunnis speak of Shiites, and vice versa in New York.
Ha! Dude. In my youth, 30 years ago, I joined the Navy and I was sent all over the country for training and posting, from Oklahoma (home) to Florida (boot camp), to Illinois (A school), to Virginia (waiting for nuke school), to Florida (nuke school), to Idaho (nuke training), to Connecticut (first post), to New Hampshire (dry dock & hell). And you know what? Every single one of those places was radically different than the others. Now, I travel all over the country and after 30 years of cheap travel, more TV, and the Internet, there's a really boring sameness to all these places now. Lots of the distinctive flavors that used to be there are gone. AND they're much less abrasive & ignorant about people from other places than they used to be. This guy is just WAY off. Also, if he thinks modern society is more abrasive than it used to be... read some history. That's all I'm saying.
We live in a golden age and people just don't realize it.
Similar mobility, different experiences. I've lived in over 20 communities in 6 states. Some of the communities were very rural (nearest neighbor was almost a mile away), some were hyper-urban (Los Angeles), some were in between (Missoula, Montana). I see a fair amount of tollerance, even friendliness, and such in some people, and a tremendous level of hostility from others. But I agree that it's not getting worse. At least we don't have duels any more. We have gang wars instead, but at least it's not duels.
- Gus "GSquared", RSVP, OODA, MAP, NMVP, FAQ, SAT, SQL, DNA, RNA, UOI, IOU, AM, PM, AD, BC, BCE, USA, UN, CF, ROFL, LOL, ETC
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September 23, 2011 at 12:19 pm
GSquared (9/23/2011)
Steve Jones - SSC Editor (9/23/2011)
Grant Fritchey (9/23/2011)
GSquared (9/23/2011)
Grant Fritchey (9/23/2011)
Steve Jones - SSC Editor (9/23/2011)
Now I feel like an idiot and a little naive for using Amazon so much: http://t.co/gm3hPsGvBased on a long history of reading about muck-raking journalism and its aftermath going all the way back to Sinclair Lewis... I'll bet solid money things are not as much a Dickensian Sweatshop as this article makes it out to be.
Wouldn't take that bet. Too likely to be right. At the same time, "not as much" isn't "is not". There'll be enough truth in it, but it will also be twisted towards an agenda.
Absolutely. And the workers and the company should make changes occur (not the government, please) and likely will. But, I'll pass on a note to Amazon to suggest they improve this & link the article. Even small actions will help when there's enough of them.
I wouldn't take that bet either. I would guess that things are not necessarily as bad as the article makes it sound (maybe 1 bad day, 1 guy passing out), but I would guess the numbers for a "quota" have some validity. Even if it's 1 a minute, it could easily be bad. Using temp workers as well is a great way to save money, increase profit, and abuse people.
We can say workers should leave, but with 10% unemployment, is that really fair? It means the problem is pushed to the next worker. If you're out of work, we always say, you take the work you can, which means open yourself up to potential abuse.
I know you hate the government getting involved but it took government efforts to stem quite a few things in our history. Child labor, though thank to Nike and Kathy Lee Gifford, we know it just got pushed to the next guy (country). Women can work and vote. Non-white get the chance to vote, work, and have equal rights. Those things would never, ever, have become widespread practice if someone wasn't forced.
The left pushes too far, but make no mistake that the people that can, will take every advantage of others that they can.
Totally agreed.
And, to set the record straight, I don't think the government should never get involved. I think it should get involved when the threat of force is the best solution to the problem. That's rare, but it does come up.
Ending slavery took not only the threat of force, it took over 100-thousand deaths in a gruesome war. Necessary? Yep.
Ending racial segregation? Yep. I would NOT want to have been that little girl, Ruby Bridges, without her armed, government escort. Threat of force was needed to solve that problem.
On the other hand, I find it amusing that you put right-to-vote in there, since that is government, by definition. Voting is government, so saying "government intervention was necessary in order for government to work" seems kind of circular to me. Voting is, by function, the exercise of the threat of force. There's no separating the two in the realm of law.
As far as people taking advantage of each other? Yeah, taking as much advantage as possible is our best and worst feature, all in one. It's what makes us the apex predator of this world, with all the good and bad that causes. What we need is ethics strong enough to hold to a standard of mutual good, instead of mutual predation. On the day when mankind can trust one another, we will have peace on Earth, but not a second before then.
But we've beaten that dead horse before.
Yeah, that penultimate paragraph is pretty much what Marx said.
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September 23, 2011 at 12:27 pm
Stefan Krzywicki (9/23/2011)
GSquared (9/23/2011)
Steve Jones - SSC Editor (9/23/2011)
Grant Fritchey (9/23/2011)
GSquared (9/23/2011)
Grant Fritchey (9/23/2011)
Steve Jones - SSC Editor (9/23/2011)
Now I feel like an idiot and a little naive for using Amazon so much: http://t.co/gm3hPsGvBased on a long history of reading about muck-raking journalism and its aftermath going all the way back to Sinclair Lewis... I'll bet solid money things are not as much a Dickensian Sweatshop as this article makes it out to be.
Wouldn't take that bet. Too likely to be right. At the same time, "not as much" isn't "is not". There'll be enough truth in it, but it will also be twisted towards an agenda.
Absolutely. And the workers and the company should make changes occur (not the government, please) and likely will. But, I'll pass on a note to Amazon to suggest they improve this & link the article. Even small actions will help when there's enough of them.
I wouldn't take that bet either. I would guess that things are not necessarily as bad as the article makes it sound (maybe 1 bad day, 1 guy passing out), but I would guess the numbers for a "quota" have some validity. Even if it's 1 a minute, it could easily be bad. Using temp workers as well is a great way to save money, increase profit, and abuse people.
We can say workers should leave, but with 10% unemployment, is that really fair? It means the problem is pushed to the next worker. If you're out of work, we always say, you take the work you can, which means open yourself up to potential abuse.
I know you hate the government getting involved but it took government efforts to stem quite a few things in our history. Child labor, though thank to Nike and Kathy Lee Gifford, we know it just got pushed to the next guy (country). Women can work and vote. Non-white get the chance to vote, work, and have equal rights. Those things would never, ever, have become widespread practice if someone wasn't forced.
The left pushes too far, but make no mistake that the people that can, will take every advantage of others that they can.
Totally agreed.
And, to set the record straight, I don't think the government should never get involved. I think it should get involved when the threat of force is the best solution to the problem. That's rare, but it does come up.
Ending slavery took not only the threat of force, it took over 100-thousand deaths in a gruesome war. Necessary? Yep.
Ending racial segregation? Yep. I would NOT want to have been that little girl, Ruby Bridges, without her armed, government escort. Threat of force was needed to solve that problem.
On the other hand, I find it amusing that you put right-to-vote in there, since that is government, by definition. Voting is government, so saying "government intervention was necessary in order for government to work" seems kind of circular to me. Voting is, by function, the exercise of the threat of force. There's no separating the two in the realm of law.
As far as people taking advantage of each other? Yeah, taking as much advantage as possible is our best and worst feature, all in one. It's what makes us the apex predator of this world, with all the good and bad that causes. What we need is ethics strong enough to hold to a standard of mutual good, instead of mutual predation. On the day when mankind can trust one another, we will have peace on Earth, but not a second before then.
But we've beaten that dead horse before.
Yeah, that penultimate paragraph is pretty much what Marx said.
Well, he wasn't a total moron.
It's like firing a shotgun in a crowd. Eventually, you'll hit someone who actually deserves it, it's kind of inevitable. Same for him getting something right - it was kind of inevitable not everything he wrote would be total bunk.
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September 23, 2011 at 12:38 pm
GSquared (9/23/2011)
Grant Fritchey (9/23/2011)
I went back and read the article again because it just doesn't feel right to me somehow and then I saw this:The more I travel, the more I observe that Americans are becoming foreigners to each other. People in Texas speak of people in New York the way certain Sunnis speak of Shiites, and vice versa in New York.
Ha! Dude. In my youth, 30 years ago, I joined the Navy and I was sent all over the country for training and posting, from Oklahoma (home) to Florida (boot camp), to Illinois (A school), to Virginia (waiting for nuke school), to Florida (nuke school), to Idaho (nuke training), to Connecticut (first post), to New Hampshire (dry dock & hell). And you know what? Every single one of those places was radically different than the others. Now, I travel all over the country and after 30 years of cheap travel, more TV, and the Internet, there's a really boring sameness to all these places now. Lots of the distinctive flavors that used to be there are gone. AND they're much less abrasive & ignorant about people from other places than they used to be. This guy is just WAY off. Also, if he thinks modern society is more abrasive than it used to be... read some history. That's all I'm saying.
We live in a golden age and people just don't realize it.
Similar mobility, different experiences. I've lived in over 20 communities in 6 states. Some of the communities were very rural (nearest neighbor was almost a mile away), some were hyper-urban (Los Angeles), some were in between (Missoula, Montana). I see a fair amount of tollerance, even friendliness, and such in some people, and a tremendous level of hostility from others. But I agree that it's not getting worse. At least we don't have duels any more. We have gang wars instead, but at least it's not duels.
+1 here. I've lived in VA, NY, CA, CO for long periods, traveled to most of the states (about 9 in the last year) and things are very close to the same everywhere. We do some some tendencies that differ in different places, but overall human nature is human nature.
September 23, 2011 at 12:59 pm
I'll third that the state by state discussion really isn't apt anymore, except in some rural areas. It's more jokes then actual hard feelings anymore.
The one thing I did notice a huge difference on was I went from east coast to west coast around the time 9/11 had hit. The emotional impact was incredibly different based on distance at the time. The west 'kinda cared', the east was looking for the nuclear football. Admittedly my perspective since I was born and raised in NY was a bit biased, so take take that viewpoint for what you will.
In general though, the only city I met that still had it's older personality was Philadelphia, and that was more among the lower end of folks financially, of which I was one at the time.
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September 26, 2011 at 6:43 am
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Say, anyone here know how to admin Sharepoint? Things like changing permissions to the calendar and stuff like that?People are asking me but I don't have a clue. <insert jokes here>
I mucked around in it a little bit when I was administering TFS at my last place. I never did it often enough to be able to tell anyone how to do it without having Sharepoint open in front of me while I did it.
Isn't the model for SharePoint that you can just give users access and they just know how to do it? 😉
I'll see if I can find a link today.
Are you the Farm Admin? And 2007 or 2010?
I too have inherited this product.
Although we use it mostly as a Business Intelligence Center / Performance Point site.
September 26, 2011 at 7:45 am
I read the article about the Amazon warehouse... I actually found it on first glance to be unbelievable. I live in the southern US where humidity and temperatures are both in the upper 90's or triple digits all summer long (april to september/october). I also worked in a machine shop on production pay where if I didn't do 100+ parts per hour I lost money working there. Little to no A/C... When it was 95 outside I was working in a parts wash room with a gas heater to dry the parts, easily got up over 105 every day. I did this for nearly 3 years in High School.
The numbers that got me in the article was the middle aged man who worked there for 7 MONTHS and then either quit or was fired (article didn't say). If he worked there that long, then the things he was complaining about were short in duration not continuous.
September 26, 2011 at 1:50 pm
So where is everybody? No messages over the weekend and only 2 today?
I know the Summit isn't for a few more weeks so that can't be the reason. SQLRally Nordic isn't going on now is it?
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