September 21, 2011 at 11:39 am
L' Eomot Inversé (9/21/2011)
LutzM (9/21/2011)
Gianluca Sartori (9/21/2011)
...:-D:hehe:
Today we had an Oracle consultant (BI systems engineer, not a DBA) in our offices and I was discussing some (very serious) issues with an Oracle database. Basically, it stops responding every one or two days, blocking everything.
When I saw the consultant, I just said out loud: "Oh, well, if it doesn't stop this behaviour I think we'll have to move the data in a working RDBMS, such as SQL Server."
His face turned red and he shouted: "At least wait for me to go home before saying this kind of things! I disagree with everything you say! Oracle is the best RDBMS in the world! If it doesn't work it's all your fault!" ...
Well, it wasn't fair, but you can't even imagine how good that made me feel. 🙂
But he's absolutely right: It's all your (or your company's) fault to start with Oracle in the first place! 🙂
No way to argue about it....
Difficult to disagree with that - but it could be worse, at least they aren't trying to use DB2.
Literally before I was born.
Unlike a few others around here :Whistling:
September 21, 2011 at 11:49 am
L' Eomot Inversé (9/21/2011)
...Difficult to disagree with that - but it could be worse, at least they aren't trying to use DB2.
I don't know why I suddenly think about the choice between pest or cholera.
Most probably unrelated to the above statement... 😉
September 21, 2011 at 12:09 pm
Ninja's_RGR'us (9/21/2011)
SQLRNNR (9/21/2011)
Ninja's_RGR'us (9/21/2011)
L' Eomot Inversé (9/21/2011)
Ninja's_RGR'us (9/21/2011)
The real short answer here is :Why = Pourquoi
What for = Pour <space> quoi.
In the case of your sig, it's definitely 1 word.
Well, as it's definitely a "What for" and not a "Why" I don't understand why you say it has to be one word?
It's "For what do these people exist" not "Why do these people exist".
My memory may be playing me up, but I'm pretty sure I recall it being written as two words in the early 90s, when I first saw it.
I'm not a french teacher but I'm more than decent at spelling and I promise you it's 1 word unless you completely mis-expressed your intention.
In both meaning of the phrase you still have to use only 1 word unless I'm missing a deep nuance in the language (wouldn't be the first time).
In this case, I see the intent that Tom is trying to express and I believe Pour Quoi is correct.
Pour quoi = pour cela, pour quelle chose (c'est l'opposé de 'pour qui').
Sure, it's not like anybody's going to read / understand it anyways.
:w00t:
When I plugged it into Google Translate it suggested that I might mean Pourquoi (one word). Don't know that it means anything.
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September 21, 2011 at 1:42 pm
Ninja's_RGR'us (9/21/2011)
Literally before I was born.Unlike a few others around here :Whistling:
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September 21, 2011 at 2:08 pm
Stefan Krzywicki (9/21/2011)
That sounds pretty funny. I'd think if it were really the best, the consultant would be able to say "Oh, you just have this configured wrong, let me show you."
Let me show you????????
You must be kidding. An Oracle consultant doesn't teach. If it was easy you would be doing it right.
What happens at best is: "You're a clueless idiot. Let me fix it."
After two or three days everything is just as broken as before, you owe him € 6,000 and you're a clueless idiot.
-- Gianluca Sartori
September 21, 2011 at 2:10 pm
Gianluca Sartori (9/21/2011)
Stefan Krzywicki (9/21/2011)
That sounds pretty funny. I'd think if it were really the best, the consultant would be able to say "Oh, you just have this configured wrong, let me show you."Let me show you????????
You must be kidding. An Oracle consultant doesn't teach. If it was easy you would be doing it right.
What happens at best is: "You're a clueless idiot. Let me fix it."
After two or three days everything is just as broken as before, you owe him € 6,000 and you're a clueless idiot.
I did say "if it were really the best". I think that answers that! : -)
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September 21, 2011 at 2:16 pm
Jack Corbett (9/21/2011)
Ninja's_RGR'us (9/21/2011)
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Ninja's_RGR'us (9/21/2011)
L' Eomot Inversé (9/21/2011)
Ninja's_RGR'us (9/21/2011)
The real short answer here is :Why = Pourquoi
What for = Pour <space> quoi.
In the case of your sig, it's definitely 1 word.
Well, as it's definitely a "What for" and not a "Why" I don't understand why you say it has to be one word?
It's "For what do these people exist" not "Why do these people exist".
My memory may be playing me up, but I'm pretty sure I recall it being written as two words in the early 90s, when I first saw it.
I'm not a french teacher but I'm more than decent at spelling and I promise you it's 1 word unless you completely mis-expressed your intention.
In both meaning of the phrase you still have to use only 1 word unless I'm missing a deep nuance in the language (wouldn't be the first time).
In this case, I see the intent that Tom is trying to express and I believe Pour Quoi is correct.
Pour quoi = pour cela, pour quelle chose (c'est l'opposé de 'pour qui').
Sure, it's not like anybody's going to read / understand it anyways.
:w00t:
When I plugged it into Google Translate it suggested that I might mean Pourquoi (one word). Don't know that it means anything.
Obviously the 12 different french teachers I had (13 if I include my mom) all got it wrong all those years.
What else could it possibly be? :hehe:
September 21, 2011 at 2:20 pm
Evil Kraig F (9/21/2011)
Ninja's_RGR'us (9/21/2011)
Literally before I was born.Unlike a few others around here :Whistling:
*puts fresh tennis balls on his walker for better movement* Stay stiiiillll there sonny... I'ma gonna beat you wit my dentures!
Let me know when you want me to come back here.
Say how did you manage to get a color picture of that avatar?? Must have been real hard :-D.
September 21, 2011 at 2:21 pm
Gianluca Sartori (9/21/2011)
Stefan Krzywicki (9/21/2011)
That sounds pretty funny. I'd think if it were really the best, the consultant would be able to say "Oh, you just have this configured wrong, let me show you."Let me show you????????
You must be kidding. An Oracle consultant doesn't teach. If it was easy you would be doing it right.
What happens at best is: "You're a clueless idiot. Let me fix it."
After two or three days everything is just as broken as before, you owe him € 6,000 and you're a clueless idiot.
Where'd you get one so affordable ? 😀
September 21, 2011 at 2:30 pm
Just a note, in case you didn't see it, Jeff's interview is up: http://www.sqlservercentral.com/articles/Exceptional+DBA+Awards/75986/
September 21, 2011 at 2:41 pm
Ninja's_RGR'us (9/21/2011)
Gianluca Sartori (9/21/2011)
Stefan Krzywicki (9/21/2011)
That sounds pretty funny. I'd think if it were really the best, the consultant would be able to say "Oh, you just have this configured wrong, let me show you."Let me show you????????
You must be kidding. An Oracle consultant doesn't teach. If it was easy you would be doing it right.
What happens at best is: "You're a clueless idiot. Let me fix it."
After two or three days everything is just as broken as before, you owe him € 6,000 and you're a clueless idiot.
Where'd you get one so affordable ? 😀
Well, to tell the truth I'm a bit emotional about that, but don't think it's very far from reality. I have some horror stories to share.
Last year we had serious performance issues and we badly needed consulting on the DWH database on Oracle, so we asked for their best consultant, no matter what he would cost.
Long story short, we had the best. After three days of continuos insults to my skills (quite inexistant at the time), he went away saying that HW was insufficient and we needed to upgrade. The box was a 16 core IBM power6 with 96 GB of RAM, attached to the top class IBM storage, all worth around € 200,000.
We followed his advice and bought 8 more CPUs and more RAM (now we have something like 160 GB, I don't remember exactly).
This was to serve a 500 GB database, to be clear. I'm not talking about a 30 TB database.
After the upgrade, everything was just as ugly as before and we spent a wild amount of euros. Turned out that Oracle was spawning (2 x CPU count) parallel processes for each query, that means 32 processes in the old setup and 48 processes in the new setup, rapidly exhausting the available parallel servers (120 at the time). The database spawned 32/48 processes regardless of the table size, even when accessing a 100 rows table. Everything was due to a bug in the upgrade process from version 11.1.0.7 to version 11.2.0.1 that didn't set the correct flags on the tablespaces.
And this was their best consultant.
I don't know if we also happened to run in their worst one, but one of them dropped the database during a critical upgrade and we had no backup (due to another bug).
So... who wants to buy Oracle now? 😀
-- Gianluca Sartori
September 21, 2011 at 2:46 pm
Gianluca Sartori (9/21/2011)
Ninja's_RGR'us (9/21/2011)
Gianluca Sartori (9/21/2011)
Stefan Krzywicki (9/21/2011)
That sounds pretty funny. I'd think if it were really the best, the consultant would be able to say "Oh, you just have this configured wrong, let me show you."Let me show you????????
You must be kidding. An Oracle consultant doesn't teach. If it was easy you would be doing it right.
What happens at best is: "You're a clueless idiot. Let me fix it."
After two or three days everything is just as broken as before, you owe him € 6,000 and you're a clueless idiot.
Where'd you get one so affordable ? 😀
Well, to tell the truth I'm a bit emotional about that, but don't think it's very far from reality. I have some horror stories to share.
Last year we had serious performance issues and we badly needed consulting on the DWH database on Oracle, so we asked for their best consultant, no matter what he would cost.
Long story short, we had the best. After three days of continuos insults to my skills (quite inexistant at the time), he went away saying that HW was insufficient and we needed to upgrade. The box was a 16 core IBM power6 with 96 GB of RAM, attached to the top class IBM storage, all worth around € 200,000.
We followed his advice and bought 8 more CPUs and more RAM (now we have something like 160 GB, I don't remember exactly).
This was to serve a 500 GB database, to be clear. I'm not talking about a 30 TB database.
After the upgrade, everything was just as ugly as before and we spent a wild amount of euros. Turned out that Oracle was spawning (2 x CPU count) parallel processes for each query, that means 32 processes in the old setup and 48 processes in the new setup, rapidly exhausting the available parallel servers (120 at the time). The database spawned 32/48 processes regardless of the table size, even when accessing a 100 rows table. Everything was due to a bug in the upgrade process from version 11.1.0.7 to version 11.2.0.1 that didn't set the correct flags on the tablespaces.
And this was their best consultant.
I don't know if we also happened to run in their worst one, but one of them dropped the database during a critical upgrade and we had no backup (due to another bug).
So... who wants to buy Oracle now? 😀
I don't know. Maybe I could trade Larry Ellison your house for his company. Works for me! :w00t:
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September 21, 2011 at 2:57 pm
GSquared (9/21/2011)
Gianluca Sartori (9/21/2011)
So... who wants to buy Oracle (products) now? 😀I don't know. Maybe I could trade Larry Ellison your house for his company. Works for me! :w00t:
That's not exactly what I meant, but if it works I guess I'll be both unemployed and homeless.
Damn ANSI NULLS!!
-- Gianluca Sartori
September 21, 2011 at 2:59 pm
Ninja's_RGR'us (9/21/2011)
Evil Kraig F (9/21/2011)
Ninja's_RGR'us (9/21/2011)
Literally before I was born.Unlike a few others around here :Whistling:
*puts fresh tennis balls on his walker for better movement* Stay stiiiillll there sonny... I'ma gonna beat you wit my dentures!
Let me know when you want me to come back here.
Say how did you manage to get a color picture of that avatar?? Must have been real hard :-D.
Come back here sonny!!!! 😉 Actually, wasn't too hard. Google makes things easy. 😎
Never stop learning, even if it hurts. Ego bruises are practically mandatory as you learn unless you've never risked enough to make a mistake.
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September 21, 2011 at 3:15 pm
Ninja's_RGR'us (9/21/2011)
L' Eomot Inversé (9/21/2011)
LutzM (9/21/2011)
Gianluca Sartori (9/21/2011)
...:-D:hehe:
Today we had an Oracle consultant (BI systems engineer, not a DBA) in our offices and I was discussing some (very serious) issues with an Oracle database. Basically, it stops responding every one or two days, blocking everything.
When I saw the consultant, I just said out loud: "Oh, well, if it doesn't stop this behaviour I think we'll have to move the data in a working RDBMS, such as SQL Server."
His face turned red and he shouted: "At least wait for me to go home before saying this kind of things! I disagree with everything you say! Oracle is the best RDBMS in the world! If it doesn't work it's all your fault!" ...
Well, it wasn't fair, but you can't even imagine how good that made me feel. 🙂
But he's absolutely right: It's all your (or your company's) fault to start with Oracle in the first place! 🙂
No way to argue about it....
Difficult to disagree with that - but it could be worse, at least they aren't trying to use DB2.
Literally before I was born.
Unlike a few others around here :Whistling:
Now now do not speak ill of your elders. As Jeff says, I am 3 days older that dirt, and he is 2 days older that that same dirt.
Remember when I first stated out in what is now termed IT .. it was reels of tape, punched cards (72 columns) we used mechanical card sorting machines, and what were called tabulators for creating printed reports. And yes I did start program using Fortran I on an IBM 901 machine. So like I said mind you elders you young whipper snapper (meant in a nice way)
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