September 2, 2011 at 1:04 pm
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So, I've probably had wildlife closer than Gail has, despite the fact that she lives in a grass hut and hasn't ever even heard of electricity or running water. :w00t:Mud. Grass doesn't stand up well to highveld thunderstorms.
WOW! You guys are really modernizing at an amazing rate!
Why, next thing you know, you'll have unionized employees hired for reasons that have nothing to do with competence or trustworthiness, who can produce amazingly shoddy products and services in incredibly low quantities, for amazingly high wages! Just like a real, modern country!
"Amazingly high wages"? I guess the US isn't a "real, modern country".
In comparison to most 2nd and 3rd world countries a person making minimum wage in the US is making "Amazingly High Wages".
Would you consider most 2nd and 3rd workd countries "modern"? People making the minimum wage are well below the poverty line.
A) Which poverty line? According to the US Dept of Labor, the majority of people making minimum wage are high school and college students working part-time. "The" poverty line is also defined as a moving target in many cases, since it's "the bottom 10%" of income. The majority of people "below the poverty line" in the US own a house, 1 car, 2 TVs, 1 gaming consol, and eat 120-150% of the USRDA of calories. That's not "poverty" by any definition except US and Western Europe. Research it if you don't believe me. These are all reasonably current stats.
B) We're specifically comparing "modern" countries with "pre-modern" countries, as per original comments about South Africa becoming a more modern country by moving out of grass huts and into mud huts, because of more strict building codes related to storm damage.
C) We've now managed to drag a toung-in-cheek comment about Gail living in a grass hut surrounded by lions and zebras and elephants, into a debate about world poverty compared to US living standards, so all of our "I've got a sense of humor, and if you disagree with me on that I'll beat up your databases" t-shirts need to be returned.
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September 2, 2011 at 1:06 pm
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For the most part $7.25, but Wyoming (for example) dips to $5.15.That's not half-bad. Until a few months ago my friend (environmental consultant with 3 university degrees) was making a bit under twice that. (Gross, not CTC)
How's the cost of living compare?
(Now I'm having visions of the movie Eurotrip, where they tip a guy a nickel and he quits his job to open a luxury hotel.)
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September 2, 2011 at 1:11 pm
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The majority of people "below the poverty line" in the US own a house, 1 car, 2 TVs, 1 gaming consol, and eat 120-150% of the USRDA of calories. That's not "poverty" by any definition except US and Western Europe. Research it if you don't believe me. These are all reasonably current stats.
How the standards differ....
Poverty here is kinda living in a squatter camp, no electricity (unless illegal connection), no running water, family of 6+ (easily) in a 1-2 room shack. A study was done here several years ago (probably around 2000) and found that if you owned a house and a car, you're in the top 10% wealthiest in the country.
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September 2, 2011 at 1:17 pm
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For the most part $7.25, but Wyoming (for example) dips to $5.15.That's not half-bad. Until a few months ago my friend (environmental consultant with 3 university degrees) was making a bit under twice that. (Gross, not CTC)
How's the cost of living compare?
Some rough figures from my expenses (note that I could not have lived on what my friend earned)
Bond repayments on house : R3000/month
Rates, electricity, water, etc: R2500/month
Groceries: R2000/month
Lots left out, that's just the very basics.
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September 2, 2011 at 1:29 pm
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The majority of people "below the poverty line" in the US own a house, 1 car, 2 TVs, 1 gaming consol, and eat 120-150% of the USRDA of calories. That's not "poverty" by any definition except US and Western Europe. Research it if you don't believe me. These are all reasonably current stats.How the standards differ....
Poverty here is kinda living in a squatter camp, no electricity (unless illegal connection), no running water, family of 6+ (easily) in a 1-2 room shack. A study was done here several years ago (probably around 2000) and found that if you owned a house and a car, you're in the top 10% wealthiest in the country.
Yeah. Most of the people in the US have never encountered actual poverty and think it means you can't afford McDonald's Happy Meals for the kids 3 times per day. The US definition of "poverty" is generally something politicians, union leaders, et al, use for demagogery, not anything real. Even the homeless here can easily get three meals per day and wear clothing and shoes, and can get medical attention if they need it. The quality on all of those things is lower than ideal, but compared to actual poverty, the kind where "I ate a slice of bread 2 days ago and my neighbors are still jealous of me for that" is the standard, we're all filthy rich. And, like most of the idle rich, we complain constantly about how the silver spoons in our mouths aren't as fancy as we'd like them to be.
Used to know a guy who joined the Libertarian party (he'd probably be TEA Party these days), because he believed he was being taxed into poverty, and would use his AOL account on his laptop, from the living room of his 3 bedroom house (shared with his wife and 1 kid), to complain about those punishing taxes. Apparently, his six-year-old-car (with 50k miles on it), that he drove to his $45k/year job, was the real key to indicate how abject his poverty was. I was never really clear on how having a paid-off car was proof of poverty, but he insisted that it was. He's not atypical of modern Americans.
I've seen politicians here define "poverty" as not being able to afford the most recent, revolutionary medicines for non-critical illnesses. It's pretty silly, and very out-of-touch with reality, in my opinion.
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September 2, 2011 at 1:30 pm
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In comparison to most 2nd and 3rd world countries a person making minimum wage in the US is making "Amazingly High Wages".Out of curiosity, what is US minimum wage?
If I'm not mistaken, I believe it's $7.25/hour.
It depends on State in 2011
http://www.dol.gov/whd/minwage/america.htm
For the most part $7.25, but Wyoming (for example) dips to $5.15.
Also, if you are in the services industry where part of your income is tips - the minimum wage dips far below that (as low as $2/hr).
not entirely true, your employer in that case is obligated to at least pay you the difference if you don't make any tips. Not that you'd last long at the job if that were the case, but still.
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September 2, 2011 at 1:38 pm
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So, I've probably had wildlife closer than Gail has, despite the fact that she lives in a grass hut and hasn't ever even heard of electricity or running water. :w00t:Mud. Grass doesn't stand up well to highveld thunderstorms.
WOW! You guys are really modernizing at an amazing rate!
Why, next thing you know, you'll have unionized employees hired for reasons that have nothing to do with competence or trustworthiness, who can produce amazingly shoddy products and services in incredibly low quantities, for amazingly high wages! Just like a real, modern country!
"Amazingly high wages"? I guess the US isn't a "real, modern country".
In comparison to most 2nd and 3rd world countries a person making minimum wage in the US is making "Amazingly High Wages".
Would you consider most 2nd and 3rd workd countries "modern"? People making the minimum wage are well below the poverty line.
A) Which poverty line? According to the US Dept of Labor, the majority of people making minimum wage are high school and college students working part-time. "The" poverty line is also defined as a moving target in many cases, since it's "the bottom 10%" of income. The majority of people "below the poverty line" in the US own a house, 1 car, 2 TVs, 1 gaming consol, and eat 120-150% of the USRDA of calories. That's not "poverty" by any definition except US and Western Europe. Research it if you don't believe me. These are all reasonably current stats.
B) We're specifically comparing "modern" countries with "pre-modern" countries, as per original comments about South Africa becoming a more modern country by moving out of grass huts and into mud huts, because of more strict building codes related to storm damage.
C) We've now managed to drag a toung-in-cheek comment about Gail living in a grass hut surrounded by lions and zebras and elephants, into a debate about world poverty compared to US living standards, so all of our "I've got a sense of humor, and if you disagree with me on that I'll beat up your databases" t-shirts need to be returned.
Poverty is normally calculated by a "market basket" analysis, or by measures like "60% of median income", not by things like "bottom 10%".
Where are you getting this list of things they own? The "house" part seems farfetched to me. For many people in this country, if they didn't have a car, they wouldn't even be able to get to work. 2 tvs and 1 gaming console? Big deal. And the calories metric is also nonsense since cheap, bad for you food is high in calories.
And is that really what we're shooting for? Not starving and having a tv? Minimum wage as stated above is under $15,000 a year. You want to try to pay for college for your kids with that? Remember that most college is around twice that a year. Want to have something nicer than 2 10 year old tvs, a clunker car and a $300 XBox that you scraped and saved for so your kids your have some fun? What kind of savings can you have on that income? What happens when there's an emergency? Do they have insurance? Simplistic listing of a few posessions and pretending that means someone isn't poor is unrealistic.
Would you want your kids having that kind of a living?
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September 2, 2011 at 1:44 pm
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The majority of people "below the poverty line" in the US own a house, 1 car, 2 TVs, 1 gaming consol, and eat 120-150% of the USRDA of calories. That's not "poverty" by any definition except US and Western Europe. Research it if you don't believe me. These are all reasonably current stats.How the standards differ....
Poverty here is kinda living in a squatter camp, no electricity (unless illegal connection), no running water, family of 6+ (easily) in a 1-2 room shack. A study was done here several years ago (probably around 2000) and found that if you owned a house and a car, you're in the top 10% wealthiest in the country.
Yeah. Most of the people in the US have never encountered actual poverty and think it means you can't afford McDonald's Happy Meals for the kids 3 times per day. The US definition of "poverty" is generally something politicians, union leaders, et al, use for demagogery, not anything real. Even the homeless here can easily get three meals per day and wear clothing and shoes, and can get medical attention if they need it. The quality on all of those things is lower than ideal, but compared to actual poverty, the kind where "I ate a slice of bread 2 days ago and my neighbors are still jealous of me for that" is the standard, we're all filthy rich. And, like most of the idle rich, we complain constantly about how the silver spoons in our mouths aren't as fancy as we'd like them to be.<
I'm sorry, but that's just not true. Many people in the USA can't afford 3 meals a day for themselves and their kids and the medical attention they get is emergency-room only, wait 7 hours to be seen. They don't get anything like decent care. And your standard is that they aren't naked? That's nonsense.
Used to know a guy who joined the Libertarian party (he'd probably be TEA Party these days), because he believed he was being taxed into poverty, and would use his AOL account on his laptop, from the living room of his 3 bedroom house (shared with his wife and 1 kid), to complain about those punishing taxes. Apparently, his six-year-old-car (with 50k miles on it), that he drove to his $45k/year job, was the real key to indicate how abject his poverty was. I was never really clear on how having a paid-off car was proof of poverty, but he insisted that it was. He's not atypical of modern Americans.
OK, so you knew a moron. The TEA Party shows there's a sizeable minority of morons in the USA. His imbicillity has nothing to do with actual poverty in the USA.
I've seen politicians here define "poverty" as not being able to afford the most recent, revolutionary medicines for non-critical illnesses. It's pretty silly, and very out-of-touch with reality, in my opinion.
Funny, I haven't seen that.
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September 2, 2011 at 1:55 pm
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So, I've probably had wildlife closer than Gail has, despite the fact that she lives in a grass hut and hasn't ever even heard of electricity or running water. :w00t:Mud. Grass doesn't stand up well to highveld thunderstorms.
WOW! You guys are really modernizing at an amazing rate!
Why, next thing you know, you'll have unionized employees hired for reasons that have nothing to do with competence or trustworthiness, who can produce amazingly shoddy products and services in incredibly low quantities, for amazingly high wages! Just like a real, modern country!
"Amazingly high wages"? I guess the US isn't a "real, modern country".
In comparison to most 2nd and 3rd world countries a person making minimum wage in the US is making "Amazingly High Wages".
Would you consider most 2nd and 3rd workd countries "modern"? People making the minimum wage are well below the poverty line.
A) Which poverty line? According to the US Dept of Labor, the majority of people making minimum wage are high school and college students working part-time. "The" poverty line is also defined as a moving target in many cases, since it's "the bottom 10%" of income. The majority of people "below the poverty line" in the US own a house, 1 car, 2 TVs, 1 gaming consol, and eat 120-150% of the USRDA of calories. That's not "poverty" by any definition except US and Western Europe. Research it if you don't believe me. These are all reasonably current stats.
B) We're specifically comparing "modern" countries with "pre-modern" countries, as per original comments about South Africa becoming a more modern country by moving out of grass huts and into mud huts, because of more strict building codes related to storm damage.
C) We've now managed to drag a toung-in-cheek comment about Gail living in a grass hut surrounded by lions and zebras and elephants, into a debate about world poverty compared to US living standards, so all of our "I've got a sense of humor, and if you disagree with me on that I'll beat up your databases" t-shirts need to be returned.
Poverty is normally calculated by a "market basket" analysis, or by measures like "60% of median income", not by things like "bottom 10%".
Where are you getting this list of things they own? The "house" part seems farfetched to me. For many people in this country, if they didn't have a car, they wouldn't even be able to get to work. 2 tvs and 1 gaming console? Big deal. And the calories metric is also nonsense since cheap, bad for you food is high in calories.
And is that really what we're shooting for? Not starving and having a tv? Minimum wage as stated above is under $15,000 a year. You want to try to pay for college for your kids with that? Remember that most college is around twice that a year. Want to have something nicer than 2 10 year old tvs, a clunker car and a $300 XBox that you scraped and saved for so your kids your have some fun? What kind of savings can you have on that income? What happens when there's an emergency? Do they have insurance? Simplistic listing of a few posessions and pretending that means someone isn't poor is unrealistic.
Would you want your kids having that kind of a living?
It's really about perspective. What do you really need? I spent the last 4 years living on $20-22K per year (family of 5), by choice. We didn't go without food, clothes, hear, place to live. We had DirecTV with HD, high speed internet, and my kids went to private school. Our kids had better health insurance than they do now that I'm back to grossing close to $100k if I can keep contract work.
I realize we expect more in the US and I think we should be lifting people up, but we also have to be realistic about what is truly poverty. Not having cable, the internet, or a new car isn't poverty. Not having food for the next meal is not poverty and having the mac & cheese and ramen noodles many of us lived through college on is only close to poverty.
My family when I was growing up never had any extra money, but I have a college degree and only had about 4k in debt when I graduated. There is plenty of aid available in the US, if you get the grades and make the effort to find it. Yes, my 4 year of college at a state college only cost about $30k total, but that was 20 years ago.
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September 2, 2011 at 1:56 pm
Gus, I'll have to concede your point to an extent about our ideas in the US about poverty.
Although it's largely fiction, the book Shantaram sheds a big light on this. At one point the main character is taken to a dark place where children are being auctioned off as slaves. Later, he finds out that the parents of these children were actually relieved to let them be sold because, otherwise, the children would have starved to death.
On the other hand, the US is a rich country. If you're born rich, there is a 75% chance you'll die rich. If you're born poor, there's a 75% chance you'll die poor. (And I seriously doubt that the statistic is due to genetics.) So, to me, it's not a completely fair system.
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September 2, 2011 at 2:11 pm
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The majority of people "below the poverty line" in the US own a house, 1 car, 2 TVs, 1 gaming consol, and eat 120-150% of the USRDA of calories. That's not "poverty" by any definition except US and Western Europe. Research it if you don't believe me. These are all reasonably current stats.How the standards differ....
Poverty here is kinda living in a squatter camp, no electricity (unless illegal connection), no running water, family of 6+ (easily) in a 1-2 room shack. A study was done here several years ago (probably around 2000) and found that if you owned a house and a car, you're in the top 10% wealthiest in the country.
Yeah. Most of the people in the US have never encountered actual poverty and think it means you can't afford McDonald's Happy Meals for the kids 3 times per day. The US definition of "poverty" is generally something politicians, union leaders, et al, use for demagogery, not anything real. Even the homeless here can easily get three meals per day and wear clothing and shoes, and can get medical attention if they need it. The quality on all of those things is lower than ideal, but compared to actual poverty, the kind where "I ate a slice of bread 2 days ago and my neighbors are still jealous of me for that" is the standard, we're all filthy rich. And, like most of the idle rich, we complain constantly about how the silver spoons in our mouths aren't as fancy as we'd like them to be.<
I'm sorry, but that's just not true. Many people in the USA can't afford 3 meals a day for themselves and their kids and the medical attention they get is emergency-room only, wait 7 hours to be seen. They don't get anything like decent care. And your standard is that they aren't naked? That's nonsense.
Used to know a guy who joined the Libertarian party (he'd probably be TEA Party these days), because he believed he was being taxed into poverty, and would use his AOL account on his laptop, from the living room of his 3 bedroom house (shared with his wife and 1 kid), to complain about those punishing taxes. Apparently, his six-year-old-car (with 50k miles on it), that he drove to his $45k/year job, was the real key to indicate how abject his poverty was. I was never really clear on how having a paid-off car was proof of poverty, but he insisted that it was. He's not atypical of modern Americans.
OK, so you knew a moron. The TEA Party shows there's a sizeable minority of morons in the USA. His imbicillity has nothing to do with actual poverty in the USA.
I've seen politicians here define "poverty" as not being able to afford the most recent, revolutionary medicines for non-critical illnesses. It's pretty silly, and very out-of-touch with reality, in my opinion.
Funny, I haven't seen that.
Please cite your sources on the rate of people in the US who have material problems with actually getting enough to eat. I'm using figures from sources like the US Census Bureau, the US Department of Labor, and various Congressional reports. The single largest health issue in the US poor is overeating. They're WAY over the US RDA on everything, not just calories. Compare that to whole swaths of the world, where people are lucky to get 25% of what they need, and have to deal with filthy water on top of that.
I also need to see figures on "emergency room only with a 7 hour wait". I'm sure you can find a few anecdotes on that, but you're contradicting official studies and numbers on the subject.
The data on housing is also provided by the US federal government, in studies published earlier this year. Yes, there are huge homeless problems in places like San Francisco and Los Angeles, but it's a tiny, tiny percentage compared to most of the world. Does that mean it's not a problem and that it doesn't need to be solved? Of course not. But you asserting that I think that, is just a straw man argument, and proves absolutely nothing at all to anyone with any powers of reason at all.
And you're reading your own biases into what I wrote again. Per the official numbers, the majority of US poor live in a single-family house or appartment, own a car, and have money for TVs and Xboxes. That puts them in the top 10% or higher of the wealthiest people in many other parts of the world. That statement does NOT mean I think they aren't poor because they're not naked. That's you spinning and twisting what I wrote. It's not what I wrote. It's not what I believe. It's nothing but your own bias. You disagree with me without even bothering to understand me. Again. (You've done this before, where you dub in your own thoughts on the subject.)
Don't set up straw men based on things I never wrote, said, or even thought, and then knock them down to prove anything. Refute me with numbers, facts, citations of actual studies, against the things I've actually written. As you yourself said, the thoughts you are dubbing in are nonsense. If I really did think that, it would be time to put me away in the looney bin. Good thing I don't. And good thing nothing I wrote even vaguely asserts that.
Have you actually studied the subject, or just listened to the talking points on CNN and MSNBC? Do you get your facts from scientific studies, or from politicians and talking heads? I've studied it. I do so because improving the lot of mankind is my mission in life. Being a DBA is just how I pay for that. I can't do a lot, but what I can, I do. There are reasons I average over 20 hours a week trying to help people out as a volunteer, educating myself on how to help people better, and researching what people need help on. There are reasons the second largest expense I have is donations (right after rent, and more than that in some months).
(I'm trying to avoid being offensive in this, but I'm not sure I'm succeeding. If what I wrote steps on toes unnecessarily, I appologize. But please take a good look at fact vs political spin before you decide your toes have been stepped on. I'm not knowingly stating anything I haven't validated through research.)
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September 2, 2011 at 2:41 pm
I imagine I am the oldest one to comment.. I was born in 1932 at the height of what is now called the "Great Depression". My dad was out of work, and in the winters lined up along with hundreds of other men capable of working at the local WPA (Works Project Adminstration, a federal government run agency) office, . To get a day of work clearing snow form New York City streets using hand shovels. For an 8 hour work period he took home $10 in cash. No snow, no work, no cash. My Mom stood in line about 3 times a week at a similar food distribution outlet to be able to get a 2 or 3 lb bag of rice, a few potatoes, a loaf of bread, and because of my young age a quart or 2 of milk. My parents sacrificed for me, and we lived that way until the day of infamy (The sneak attach by the Japanese on Pearl Harbor December 7, 1941), rapidly afterward what with the younger men enlisting in the Armed Forces, and the military draft, my Dad finally got a job as a skilled machinist manufacturing gun barrels for U.S. naval vessels, and he volunteered to be New York City fireman. No, there was no TV, no internet, no game boys, etc., etc., at that time so, I never missed them, but my folks never let a Xmas go past without my receiving at least one present, general some new clothing. Remember when boys wore knickers, well it was 1942 when I got my first pair of long pants. I was a man at age 10. I am proud to say as a family we survived, My folks remembered the bad days and saved enough to pay my first year of college tuition. And in subsequent years I was awarded a scholarship (based on need). Did all the affect my life style, you bet it has and is still doing. My wife says that I pinch a nickel until the Indian is riding on the buffalo's back before I purchase any item, except the one essential (food). I will point out that my Dad worked for wages, hard work, and bought me up to never, ever expect a had out for doing nothing. My thoughts on the last 2 generations, they expect too much for doing nothing, and worst of all they get the something.
September 2, 2011 at 2:48 pm
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As we were getting the kids ready this am, a family of deer (buck, doe, 2 kids) walked through the front yard. The girls were fawning over them at the window.This is the type of thing we really missed in FL. There's a big field behind my office that regularly has turkeys in it and we'll see an occasional deer. When we hopefully buy a house next year we want it to be somewhere where we can see deer/bear and other wildlife in the yard.
There is a lot of desert acreage on the back side of my office by where I park. There are prarie dogs out there, gamble quail, desert doves, Rabbits, a bob cat and coyotes.
We also have a Road Runner that builds nest on people's cars. The other day when I drove in there was a coyote chasing the roadrunner. Yes...the roadrunner got away. No... the roadrunner wasn't using acme stuff.
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As we were getting the kids ready this am, a family of deer (buck, doe, 2 kids) walked through the front yard. The girls were fawning over them at the window.This is the type of thing we really missed in FL. There's a big field behind my office that regularly has turkeys in it and we'll see an occasional deer. When we hopefully buy a house next year we want it to be somewhere where we can see deer/bear and other wildlife in the yard.
There is a lot of desert acreage on the back side of my office by where I park. There are prarie dogs out there, gamble quail, desert doves, Rabbits, a bob cat and coyotes.
We also have a Road Runner that builds nest on people's cars. The other day when I drove in there was a coyote chasing the roadrunner. Yes...the roadrunner got away. No... the roadrunner wasn't using acme stuff.
I was really surprised how tiny road runners are.
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September 2, 2011 at 3:01 pm
Stefan Krzywicki (9/2/2011)
Trey Staker (9/2/2011)
Jack Corbett (9/2/2011)
Steve Jones - SSC Editor (9/2/2011)
As we were getting the kids ready this am, a family of deer (buck, doe, 2 kids) walked through the front yard. The girls were fawning over them at the window.This is the type of thing we really missed in FL. There's a big field behind my office that regularly has turkeys in it and we'll see an occasional deer. When we hopefully buy a house next year we want it to be somewhere where we can see deer/bear and other wildlife in the yard.
There is a lot of desert acreage on the back side of my office by where I park. There are prarie dogs out there, gamble quail, desert doves, Rabbits, a bob cat and coyotes.
We also have a Road Runner that builds nest on people's cars. The other day when I drove in there was a coyote chasing the roadrunner. Yes...the roadrunner got away. No... the roadrunner wasn't using acme stuff.
I was really surprised how tiny road runners are.
When I was growing up I had a road runner living in my yard and didn't know that it was a road runner. They don't look anything like they do in the cartoon and they don't say Meep-Meep. The also can fly/glide a bit but not very high or far. They do run fast.
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