August 29, 2011 at 1:47 pm
GSquared (8/29/2011)
Marx/Engels called for the successful to be slaughtered by the unsuccessful in the establishment of "The Tyranny of the Proletariat" (Socialism) as a step on the way to Communism. At least, that's how I read calls for armed revolution and the overturn of the social order by elimination of both the middle and upper class. If you see armed revolution and the elimination of members of certain social classes as anything other than a death threat, then we're reading it differently.
You're right that nobody (except the original authors and a lot of ignorati) ever took Communism seriously. Not even Lenin and Trotsky made that mistake. But a LOT of people take Socialism seriously. (Which is really interesting, in that it was originally proposed as a necessary but evil step on the route to Communism, not a destination in itself.)
Or should I avoid taking The Thread back into my controversial socio-political-financial views? Feel free to ignore me as a completely loon on the subject if that's how you feel.
And, yes, Heidegger (and many others) were ... well, I can't easily think of a way to comment on that ilk without violating the PG rating of SSC. Interesting questions asked by him, total *** as a human being, and violated the basic purpose of philosophy with his "trying to be comprehensible is bad" idiocy.
Yes, Marx called for revolution, which is almost never done without the loss of lives (even America's revolution with Briton for example too). But that's probably why Marx was exiled from so many countries. (He was also extremely poor - one or two of his own children starved to death I read.)
I think the main reason I cut him a break, even if his ideas were so extreme, is that his intentions were good (in my estimation). He saw the wealthy stay wealthy and the poor stay poor without much hope. But Heidegger, on the other hand, saw the aftermath of the Nazi's power and still didn't express regret for it.
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August 29, 2011 at 1:48 pm
Tom.Thomson (8/29/2011)
we do need to be afraid of the current crop of active post-modernists who deny the existence of any distinction ....between truth and falsehood, or between fact and fiction ....
I am a writer. I lie to people for a living. Fear me!!!
Okay, so I don't make a living off it yet, but still. Fear <insert well-known author's name here>!
August 29, 2011 at 2:54 pm
GilaMonster (8/29/2011)
mtillman-921105 (8/29/2011)
But communism is not seriously considered a real option anymore.Come down and tell some people in government here that. It would come as a revelation to them.
I'm afraid that's also true here in the U.S.
--Jeff Moden
Change is inevitable... Change for the better is not.
August 29, 2011 at 2:55 pm
Checked on Jeff's copyright issue. Simple Talk has given permission to that UK group, but I am unsure of there was permission given for Jeff's article. We are checking, though with a holiday in the UK, might be until tomorrow.
August 29, 2011 at 2:55 pm
August 29, 2011 at 3:00 pm
Jeff Moden (8/29/2011)
GilaMonster (8/29/2011)
mtillman-921105 (8/29/2011)
But communism is not seriously considered a real option anymore.Come down and tell some people in government here that. It would come as a revelation to them.
I'm afraid that's also true here in the U.S.
Your politicians aren't discussing how to nationalise the banks and mines and how to redistribute land without compensation...
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August 29, 2011 at 3:23 pm
Steve Jones - SSC Editor (8/29/2011)
Anyone see plagiarism here:http://www.sqlservercentral.com/articles/context_info()/74332/
http://www.thecodepage.com/post/TIP-A-Call-Stack-in-SQL-Server.aspx
Not quite.
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August 29, 2011 at 4:11 pm
GilaMonster (8/29/2011)
And right on cue, a PM that's leaning towards harassment. <sigh>Why do some people think that just because I've answered a couple of their questions that I'm their BFF?
But... I was going to get the tattoo and everything <sob>
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August 29, 2011 at 4:14 pm
mtillman-921105 (8/29/2011)
GSquared (8/29/2011)
Marx/Engels called for the successful to be slaughtered by the unsuccessful in the establishment of "The Tyranny of the Proletariat" (Socialism) as a step on the way to Communism. At least, that's how I read calls for armed revolution and the overturn of the social order by elimination of both the middle and upper class. If you see armed revolution and the elimination of members of certain social classes as anything other than a death threat, then we're reading it differently.
You're right that nobody (except the original authors and a lot of ignorati) ever took Communism seriously. Not even Lenin and Trotsky made that mistake. But a LOT of people take Socialism seriously. (Which is really interesting, in that it was originally proposed as a necessary but evil step on the route to Communism, not a destination in itself.)
Or should I avoid taking The Thread back into my controversial socio-political-financial views? Feel free to ignore me as a completely loon on the subject if that's how you feel.
And, yes, Heidegger (and many others) were ... well, I can't easily think of a way to comment on that ilk without violating the PG rating of SSC. Interesting questions asked by him, total *** as a human being, and violated the basic purpose of philosophy with his "trying to be comprehensible is bad" idiocy.
Yes, Marx called for revolution, which is almost never done without the loss of lives (even America's revolution with Briton for example too). But that's probably why Marx was exiled from so many countries. (He was also extremely poor - one or two of his own children starved to death I read.)
I think the main reason I cut him a break, even if his ideas were so extreme, is that his intentions were good (in my estimation). He saw the wealthy stay wealthy and the poor stay poor without much hope. But Heidegger, on the other hand, saw the aftermath of the Nazi's power and still didn't express regret for it.
Wasn't there a road to somewhere paved with good intentions?
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August 29, 2011 at 4:25 pm
Steve Jones - SSC Editor (8/29/2011)
Anyone see plagiarism here:http://www.sqlservercentral.com/articles/context_info()/74332/
http://www.thecodepage.com/post/TIP-A-Call-Stack-in-SQL-Server.aspx
It's hard to say. It is very close, but the implementation is just different enough that it probably isn't. I know Gianluca commented that he did something similar.
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August 29, 2011 at 4:56 pm
Jack Corbett (8/29/2011)
Steve Jones - SSC Editor (8/29/2011)
Anyone see plagiarism here:http://www.sqlservercentral.com/articles/context_info()/74332/
http://www.thecodepage.com/post/TIP-A-Call-Stack-in-SQL-Server.aspx
It's hard to say. It is very close, but the implementation is just different enough that it probably isn't. I know Gianluca commented that he did something similar.
I didn't see a copy, maybe an inspiration, waiting to hear from the complaining author what he specifically thinks. I don't see anything that seems duplicated.
August 29, 2011 at 5:04 pm
Steve Jones - SSC Editor (8/29/2011)
Jack Corbett (8/29/2011)
Steve Jones - SSC Editor (8/29/2011)
Anyone see plagiarism here:http://www.sqlservercentral.com/articles/context_info()/74332/
http://www.thecodepage.com/post/TIP-A-Call-Stack-in-SQL-Server.aspx
It's hard to say. It is very close, but the implementation is just different enough that it probably isn't. I know Gianluca commented that he did something similar.
I didn't see a copy, maybe an inspiration, waiting to hear from the complaining author what he specifically thinks. I don't see anything that seems duplicated.
That is all I saw in it. Not copied. Maybe similar/inspired material. But implementations are different too.
Jason...AKA CirqueDeSQLeil
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August 29, 2011 at 7:02 pm
GilaMonster (8/29/2011)
Jeff Moden (8/29/2011)
GilaMonster (8/29/2011)
mtillman-921105 (8/29/2011)
But communism is not seriously considered a real option anymore.Come down and tell some people in government here that. It would come as a revelation to them.
I'm afraid that's also true here in the U.S.
Your politicians aren't discussing how to nationalise the banks and mines and how to redistribute land without compensation...
If that's what your government is discussing it's talking about fairly extreme state socialism, not real communism. State socialism is of course the starting point for totalitarian pseudo-communism as practised by Lenin and Stalin, and has no connection at all with real (Marxist or anarchistic) communism, syndicalism, or anarchic syndicalism, and only a slight connection with anarchistic socialism.
In anarchistic socialism (aka Marxist socialism) the means of production would be co-operatively owned and controlled - it's almost the same as anarcho-syndicalism - while in state socialism the state would own and control the means of production, which leads almost inevitably to the leading politicians and/or the chief bureaucrats owning and controlling them, so that the old dictum "absolute power corrupts absolutely" has been proved almost every time the state socialist system has been tried; Britain 1945 to 1951 was an exception, the leading politicians and bureaucrats didn't grab control and marginalise the people, but state socialism was pretty much a disaster for Britain even so, which was why the electorate booted it out in favour of something else in 1951.
Tom
August 29, 2011 at 7:22 pm
Agreed... I should have been a bit more specific, Tom.
--Jeff Moden
Change is inevitable... Change for the better is not.
August 29, 2011 at 7:33 pm
GilaMonster (8/29/2011)
Jeff Moden (8/29/2011)
GilaMonster (8/29/2011)
mtillman-921105 (8/29/2011)
But communism is not seriously considered a real option anymore.Come down and tell some people in government here that. It would come as a revelation to them.
I'm afraid that's also true here in the U.S.
Your politicians aren't discussing how to nationalise the banks and mines and how to redistribute land without compensation...
BWAA-HAA!!! My friends that are being foreclosed upon because Congress allowed (and encouraged) the banks to give loans to people, who could never afford it, would disagree.
But, I will most definitely agree... we don't have the same level of problems that are present in some other countries.... at least not yet (knocks on wood).
--Jeff Moden
Change is inevitable... Change for the better is not.
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