August 29, 2011 at 11:22 am
WayneS (8/29/2011)
Just read this: http://ittybiz.com/death-threats-online/. Appalling.
Unbelievable. What is it, that they feel threatened by someone else's success?
Gail Shaw
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August 29, 2011 at 11:38 am
WayneS (8/29/2011)
Just read this: http://ittybiz.com/death-threats-online/. Appalling.
Awful.
Is there nothing that can stop it?
Maybe whover hosts the evil blog has terms of business that exclude this sort of thing (very common in the EU; don't know about the USA though). Or maybe the first amendment doesn't extend to permitting harrassment and inciting assault and/or murder? Or would anything like that be too sensible for the USA?
Tom
August 29, 2011 at 11:39 am
WayneS (8/29/2011)
Just read this: http://ittybiz.com/death-threats-online/. Appalling.
Awful.
Good for her for taking it public and keeping it up.
Who do you go to for this sort of thing? I imagine local PD wouldn't be much help.
-Dan B
August 29, 2011 at 11:48 am
Tom.Thomson (8/29/2011)
WayneS (8/29/2011)
Just read this: http://ittybiz.com/death-threats-online/. Appalling.Awful.
Is there nothing that can stop it?
Maybe whover hosts the evil blog has terms of business that exclude this sort of thing (very common in the EU; don't know about the USA though). Or maybe the first amendment doesn't extend to permitting harrassment and inciting assault and/or murder? Or would anything like that be too sensible for the USA?
Inciting crimes isn't protected speech under the 1st Ammendment, most of the time. It depends on the crimes being incited, but assault/muder is never protected. The people who claim "I'm just exercising 'free speech'" when they make death threats are simply exercising their right to remain ignorant of actual laws.
There are many forms of "free speech" which aren't protected. Harassment, death threats, conspiring to commit a crime, espionage, copyright/patent/trademark violation, jokes about certain things in an airport, impersonating a lawyer/doctor/policeman, and so on, are all examples.
It gets more complicated (politicians are involved, so of course it does), but there are some limits.
The case she's talking about would probably be one for the FBI, not a local PD. Easy enough for her to report it, either way. And a lot of people might be surprised to find out that their "anonymous" posts on "the interwebz" are actually pretty identifiable in a lot of cases, if/when she does report it.
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August 29, 2011 at 11:52 am
GilaMonster (8/29/2011)
WayneS (8/29/2011)
Just read this: http://ittybiz.com/death-threats-online/. Appalling.Unbelievable. What is it, that they feel threatened by someone else's success?
I read a book about that once, by some guy named "Marx". I think a co-author named "Engels", or something like that, was involved. Of course, nobody ever took them seriously, but they did have a lot to say on the idea of threatening death to anyone who actually succeeds at much of anything. Not that anyone would ever follow advice by wackos like those two!
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August 29, 2011 at 11:56 am
GSquared (8/29/2011)
GilaMonster (8/29/2011)
WayneS (8/29/2011)
Just read this: http://ittybiz.com/death-threats-online/. Appalling.Unbelievable. What is it, that they feel threatened by someone else's success?
I read a book about that once, by some guy named "Marx". I think a co-author named "Engels", or something like that, was involved. Of course, nobody ever took them seriously, but they did have a lot to say on the idea of threatening death to anyone who actually succeeds at much of anything. Not that anyone would ever follow advice by wackos like those two!
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August 29, 2011 at 12:05 pm
skrilla99 (8/29/2011)
WayneS (8/29/2011)
Just read this: http://ittybiz.com/death-threats-online/. Appalling.Awful.
Good for her for taking it public and keeping it up.
Who do you go to for this sort of thing? I imagine local PD wouldn't be much help.
-Dan B
I agree... good for going public. I think contacting the FBI would be her best course of action.
Wayne
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August 29, 2011 at 12:20 pm
GSquared (8/29/2011)
GilaMonster (8/29/2011)
WayneS (8/29/2011)
Just read this: http://ittybiz.com/death-threats-online/. Appalling.Unbelievable. What is it, that they feel threatened by someone else's success?
I read a book about that once, by some guy named "Marx". I think a co-author named "Engels", or something like that, was involved. Of course, nobody ever took them seriously, but they did have a lot to say on the idea of threatening death to anyone who actually succeeds at much of anything. Not that anyone would ever follow advice by wackos like those two!
I don't feel that threatened by Marx, and no one really should anymore. He (and Engels) mainly put too much faith in what a government could do. But communism is not seriously considered a real option anymore. I doubt that he would kill or chastise anyone for success actually. But he would complain about the pay of some CEO's.
If you want to demonize a philosopher, what about Heidegger, who never renounced being a Nazi?
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August 29, 2011 at 12:50 pm
And right on cue, a PM that's leaning towards harassment. <sigh>
Why do some people think that just because I've answered a couple of their questions that I'm their BFF?
Gail Shaw
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August 29, 2011 at 12:52 pm
mtillman-921105 (8/29/2011)
But communism is not seriously considered a real option anymore.
Come down and tell some people in government here that. It would come as a revelation to them.
Gail Shaw
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August 29, 2011 at 12:52 pm
GilaMonster (8/29/2011)
And right on cue, a PM that's leaning towards harassment. <sigh>Why do some people think that just because I've answered a couple of their questions that I'm their BFF?
Because Marcus is such a friendly guy?
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August 29, 2011 at 12:58 pm
SanDroid (8/29/2011)
GSquared (8/29/2011)
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WayneS (8/29/2011)
Just read this: http://ittybiz.com/death-threats-online/. Appalling.Unbelievable. What is it, that they feel threatened by someone else's success?
I read a book about that once, by some guy named "Marx". I think a co-author named "Engels", or something like that, was involved. Of course, nobody ever took them seriously, but they did have a lot to say on the idea of threatening death to anyone who actually succeeds at much of anything. Not that anyone would ever follow advice by wackos like those two!
http://definitions.uslegal.com/d/death-threat/
Under state criminal codes, which vary by state, it is an offense to knowingly utter or convey a threat to cause death or bodily harm to any person. It is also an offense to threaten to burn, destroy or damage property or threaten to kill, poison or injure an animal or bird that belongs to a person.
Based on the above and assuming she lives in the U.S. I hope the reports these threats to state law enforcement authorities.
August 29, 2011 at 1:00 pm
GilaMonster (8/29/2011)
mtillman-921105 (8/29/2011)
But communism is not seriously considered a real option anymore.Come down and tell some people in government here that. It would come as a revelation to them.
Maybe I should have qualified that statement by saying in the Western, developed nations or something of the sort. Your government down there is a little behind the times I think. And I believe that you realize that. 🙂
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August 29, 2011 at 1:01 pm
mtillman-921105 (8/29/2011)
GSquared (8/29/2011)
GilaMonster (8/29/2011)
WayneS (8/29/2011)
Just read this: http://ittybiz.com/death-threats-online/. Appalling.Unbelievable. What is it, that they feel threatened by someone else's success?
I read a book about that once, by some guy named "Marx". I think a co-author named "Engels", or something like that, was involved. Of course, nobody ever took them seriously, but they did have a lot to say on the idea of threatening death to anyone who actually succeeds at much of anything. Not that anyone would ever follow advice by wackos like those two!
I don't feel that threatened by Marx, and no one really should anymore. He (and Engels) mainly put too much faith in what a government could do. But communism is not seriously considered a real option anymore. I doubt that he would kill or chastise anyone for success actually. But he would complain about the pay of some CEO's.
If you want to demonize a philosopher, what about Heidegger, who never renounced being a Nazi?
Marx/Engels called for the successful to be slaughtered by the unsuccessful in the establishment of "The Tyranny of the Proletariat" (Socialism) as a step on the way to Communism. At least, that's how I read calls for armed revolution and the overturn of the social order by elimination of both the middle and upper class. If you see armed revolution and the elimination of members of certain social classes as anything other than a death threat, then we're reading it differently.
You're right that nobody (except the original authors and a lot of ignorati) ever took Communism seriously. Not even Lenin and Trotsky made that mistake. But a LOT of people take Socialism seriously. (Which is really interesting, in that it was originally proposed as a necessary but evil step on the route to Communism, not a destination in itself.)
Or should I avoid taking The Thread back into my controversial socio-political-financial views? Feel free to ignore me as a completely loon on the subject if that's how you feel.
And, yes, Heidegger (and many others) were ... well, I can't easily think of a way to comment on that ilk without violating the PG rating of SSC. Interesting questions asked by him, total *** as a human being, and violated the basic purpose of philosophy with his "trying to be comprehensible is bad" idiocy.
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August 29, 2011 at 1:45 pm
mtillman-921105 (8/29/2011)
I don't feel that threatened by Marx, and no one really should anymore. He (and Engels) mainly put too much faith in what a government could do. But communism is not seriously considered a real option anymore. I doubt that he would kill or chastise anyone for success actually. But he would complain about the pay of some CEO's.
I agree no-one should be afraid of Marx. In fact I sometimes think it's a pity that his form of socialism was never tried (there was a chance in 1917,after the February revolution, but the October revolution and the ensuing civil war put an end to that). And of course no form of communidm has ever been tried, anywhere, and with the bad name it has acquired through its name being hijacked by Lenin's totalitarian government (firmly based on enslaving the proletariat and the ascendancy of a new aristocracy - the senior members of the central soviet - and their favorites).
If you want to demonize a philosopher, what about Heidegger, who never renounced being a Nazi?
I am all in favour of Heidegger's being recognised as a demon, but there are other even more modern modernists who are far more deserving of this treatment: Luce Irigaray for example, or Jacques Lacan, or anyone else who aims to impress by misusing scirntific terminology and writing meaningless gibberish. We no longer need to be afraid of Heidegger - he's long dead, so isn't going to sway anyone; we do need to be afraid of the current crop of active post-modernists who deny the existence of any distinction between objectivity and subjectivity, between truth and falsehood, or between fact and fiction and attempt to inculcate both these crazy ideas and a reverence for incomprehensible claptrap into today's students.
Tom
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