August 15, 2011 at 8:36 am
Steve Jones - SSC Editor (8/15/2011)
Grant Fritchey (8/15/2011)
My bigger concern is that he hates technology. Good god, why do it if you just hate it. Especially if, you're actually not doing it yet. "I don't have a job in this field I loathe, how do I go about getting one." Doesn't that fall into the doctor, doctor, it hurts when I do this, category?You'd be surprised how many people are in this boat. They often do the job because it pays more than the bills. Tech is a good living, better than most places where you might spend your passion.
What bothered me about it was that he wants to do it short term to make lots of money while he becomes a lawyer. That just isn't going to happen. If he was serious about it, he could do it even if he hated it as long as he was willing to put in the time and effort. It is pretty clear he isn't. He thought he could get some certs and make a ton of money right away.
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August 15, 2011 at 8:39 am
Stefan Krzywicki (8/15/2011)
Steve Jones - SSC Editor (8/15/2011)
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What bothered me about it was that he wants to do it short term to make lots of money while he becomes a lawyer. That just isn't going to happen. If he was serious about it, he could do it even if he hated it as long as he was willing to put in the time and effort. It is pretty clear he isn't. He thought he could get some certs and make a ton of money right away.
Maybe, maybe not. Still lots of jobs in IT, many paying well. "Lots" is relative. If you do IT for a few years while doing part time school, you might make a lot of money relative to waiting tables. Or working in a bank, insurance company, corporate marketing, etc.
Depends on your skill level, which is semi-related to attitude, but not completely.
I'm not saying he's going about this right, but he's not all wrong either.
August 15, 2011 at 8:40 am
Hmm, I can pick up 4 x 1 TB drives for around $300. RAID 5 config, 3TB internal. Should last for a while.
Or I can get 4 x 1.5 TB drives for just under $400 for 4.5TB internal. The 2TB drives aren't cost-effective. 4 x 2TB drives would cost almost $900.
Gail Shaw
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August 15, 2011 at 8:46 am
Steve Jones - SSC Editor (8/15/2011)
Stefan Krzywicki (8/15/2011)
Steve Jones - SSC Editor (8/15/2011)
Grant Fritchey (8/15/2011)[/b
What bothered me about it was that he wants to do it short term to make lots of money while he becomes a lawyer. That just isn't going to happen. If he was serious about it, he could do it even if he hated it as long as he was willing to put in the time and effort. It is pretty clear he isn't. He thought he could get some certs and make a ton of money right away.
Maybe, maybe not. Still lots of jobs in IT, many paying well. "Lots" is relative. If you do IT for a few years while doing part time school, you might make a lot of money relative to waiting tables. Or working in a bank, insurance company, corporate marketing, etc.
Depends on your skill level, which is semi-related to attitude, but not completely.
I'm not saying he's going about this right, but he's not all wrong either.
He doesn't like tech and doesn't even know how to use Excel. He thinks he'll get enough money to live like a king.
I worked in IT during summers so I wouldn't have to work during the school year. The difference is that I love learning, I love problem solving, I had experience with computers and had no illusions it was easy money. It can be a great way to earn good money while you're in school, but it isn't for everyone and he's admitted it isn't for him. I think Jeff came closest for what he's really looking for.
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When you encounter a problem, if the solution isn't readily evident go back to the start and check your assumptions.
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It’s unpleasantly like being drunk.
What’s so unpleasant about being drunk?
You ask a glass of water. -- Douglas Adams
August 15, 2011 at 8:52 am
Stefan Krzywicki (8/15/2011)
He doesn't like tech and doesn't even know how to use Excel. He thinks he'll get enough money to live like a king.
And thinks he's hot enough to replace 2-3 years of experience with a couple months studying.
Gail Shaw
Microsoft Certified Master: SQL Server, MVP, M.Sc (Comp Sci)
SQL In The Wild: Discussions on DB performance with occasional diversions into recoverability
August 15, 2011 at 8:53 am
Stefan Krzywicki (8/15/2011)
He doesn't like tech and doesn't even know how to use Excel. He thinks he'll get enough money to live like a king.
I worked in IT during summers so I wouldn't have to work during the school year. The difference is that I love learning, I love problem solving, I had experience with computers and had no illusions it was easy money. It can be a great way to earn good money while you're in school, but it isn't for everyone and he's admitted it isn't for him. I think Jeff came closest for what he's really looking for.
LOL, I do think Jeff came closest to solving his issues.
However I worked in IT as an intern. At a time when most of my friend made $5/hr or so, I was making $12 along with a few others that didn't like IT. Felt like I was living like a king when I was single, with roommates and no real responsibilities other than going to work/school.
There is no right or wrong answer here, but I'm with most of you. I hope he stays out of IT in the state he's in.
August 15, 2011 at 8:57 am
Steve Jones - SSC Editor (8/15/2011)
However I worked in IT as an intern. At a time when most of my friend made $5/hr or so, I was making $12 along with a few others that didn't like IT. Felt like I was living like a king when I was single, with roommates and no real responsibilities other than going to work/school.
Yeah, but when was that? During an IT boom?
Gail Shaw
Microsoft Certified Master: SQL Server, MVP, M.Sc (Comp Sci)
SQL In The Wild: Discussions on DB performance with occasional diversions into recoverability
August 15, 2011 at 9:07 am
Steve Jones - SSC Editor (8/15/2011)
Stefan Krzywicki (8/15/2011)
He doesn't like tech and doesn't even know how to use Excel. He thinks he'll get enough money to live like a king.
I worked in IT during summers so I wouldn't have to work during the school year. The difference is that I love learning, I love problem solving, I had experience with computers and had no illusions it was easy money. It can be a great way to earn good money while you're in school, but it isn't for everyone and he's admitted it isn't for him. I think Jeff came closest for what he's really looking for.
LOL, I do think Jeff came closest to solving his issues.
However I worked in IT as an intern. At a time when most of my friend made $5/hr or so, I was making $12 along with a few others that didn't like IT. Felt like I was living like a king when I was single, with roommates and no real responsibilities other than going to work/school.
There is no right or wrong answer here, but I'm with most of you. I hope he stays out of IT in the state he's in.
Admittedly, I can only speak for my country but when I graduated with a degree in Computer Science, I had to take an unpaid job (Junior SQL Developer) for 6 months just to get enough experience under my belt for someone to start paying me.
I'm actually still behind where my pay was before I went to university, at which point I was a manager in a pub - and it has been 2 years since I graduated! Good job I didn't get into IT for the money :w00t:
August 15, 2011 at 9:17 am
Totally off topic - Grant, I'd like to mention a couple of RedGate tools (SQL compare and SQL data compare) in an upcoming presentation. Positively, of course - just as options for figuring out what's different between the standard data in a particular ERP system table and what customizations users have made to it over time. Anyone I need to check in with first?
-Ki
August 15, 2011 at 9:20 am
GilaMonster (8/15/2011)
Steve Jones - SSC Editor (8/15/2011)
However I worked in IT as an intern. At a time when most of my friend made $5/hr or so, I was making $12 along with a few others that didn't like IT. Felt like I was living like a king when I was single, with roommates and no real responsibilities other than going to work/school.Yeah, but when was that? During an IT boom?
Actually pre-IT boom.
In the IT boom of the mid 90s in the US, I saw kids coming out of college making $40-50k w/ a cert and 0 experience. They lived like Emperors!
August 15, 2011 at 9:21 am
Kiara (8/15/2011)
Totally off topic - Grant, I'd like to mention a couple of RedGate tools (SQL compare and SQL data compare) in an upcoming presentation. Positively, of course - just as options for figuring out what's different between the standard data in a particular ERP system table and what customizations users have made to it over time. Anyone I need to check in with first?
No, though if you are looking for support for a UG or something, ping communicates@red-gate.com
August 15, 2011 at 9:30 am
Steve Jones - SSC Editor (8/15/2011)
Kiara (8/15/2011)
Totally off topic - Grant, I'd like to mention a couple of RedGate tools (SQL compare and SQL data compare) in an upcoming presentation. Positively, of course - just as options for figuring out what's different between the standard data in a particular ERP system table and what customizations users have made to it over time. Anyone I need to check in with first?No, though if you are looking for support for a UG or something, ping communicates@red-gate.com
Thanks, Steve. No support needed - just crossing T's and dotting I's before submitting a slide deck.
-Ki
August 15, 2011 at 10:18 am
Steve Jones - SSC Editor (8/15/2011)
Grant Fritchey (8/15/2011)
My bigger concern is that he hates technology. Good god, why do it if you just hate it. Especially if, you're actually not doing it yet. "I don't have a job in this field I loathe, how do I go about getting one." Doesn't that fall into the doctor, doctor, it hurts when I do this, category?You'd be surprised how many people are in this boat. They often do the job because it pays more than the bills. Tech is a good living, better than most places where you might spend your passion.
No question. And it's entirely possible to make a good living at it while having no real interest in it. But it still takes years to get there. The number of people who passed a cert & walked into a good-paying job (in the last 5 years) is exceedingly low.
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August 15, 2011 at 10:19 am
GilaMonster (8/14/2011)
Plugin list:Akismet - Essential. 99% eliminates spam.
No Self Pings - Doesn't send ping backs to own site (I reference earlier posts often and I don't like that producing trackbacks)
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SyntaxHighlighter Evolved - code highlighter.
Tweetable - auto tweet on post. I'd say near-essential if you write and schedule posts for future publication.
Gonna have to add no self ping.
I use akismet, and now reading. Was not happy with Syntax Highlighter Evolved.
Code - WP-SynHighlight
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I also use WordPress Database Backup - help get db backups done and emailed. I have a few caching plugins (url, page, and widget). Also, look at WP Optimize. It helps clean spam comments, compress db and stuff like that.
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August 15, 2011 at 10:21 am
Kiara (8/15/2011)
Totally off topic - Grant, I'd like to mention a couple of RedGate tools (SQL compare and SQL data compare) in an upcoming presentation. Positively, of course - just as options for figuring out what's different between the standard data in a particular ERP system table and what customizations users have made to it over time. Anyone I need to check in with first?
Anyone you need to check with to say nice things about Red Gate? Nope!
However, pass the word on how the presentation went, how many people attended, if there outstanding questions, we're always interested. Do you have any of my myriad email addresses?
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