August 4, 2011 at 1:49 pm
I don't think there's any real chance to catch a "bad guy" with the methods "they" show at the airport nor the stuff they've come up with at airplanes (plastic "silverware", no pocket knifes and the like).
I've seen a report where a guy walked into a plane with something that looked like a 5 gramm honey sample. Did pass every security and specifically asked if he could take that stuff with him. It turned out to be some really nasty chemicals...
August 4, 2011 at 1:51 pm
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which stopped happening 11 years ago) because US immigration control has deteriorated to the point where no-one in his right mind wants to travel to the USA anywayTell me about it. It's about the worst part of each trip - 20 questions, let's see if we can trip you up, how much can we sneer at you - fairly closely followed by the joys of leaving again.
Don't worry, we treat ourselves just about as horribly. I'm not looking forward to the travel part of my vacation later this month, what with airport "security" and all that.
Funny, I don't travel much, but I've never really had a bad experience with security. Have always just been sent right through. I must look harmless.:-D
Hit and miss with moi. First year after 9/11 was bad, but it's gotten better. Borders usually get me a few funny looks and a short tolerance since I profile nicely. I usually stay business like and friendly, but not overly so.
At Heathrow last time I was coming to the US, and forgot to put my leatherman into my checked bag. The security guy grabbed my laptop bag, so it was in my pocket. I handed it to the guard, thinking that it would be confiscated. I walk through the xray, start gathering my things and the guard walks up and says he has to "ask someone" about this. It's small, but a 2" blade, multiple tools. Comes back in a minute, hands it to me and I walk to the airplane.
Crazy.
George Carlin had a great routine on the list of things you can and can't take with you onto an airplane these days.
The fact that you can take a pencil with you makes it very clear it's about feeling safe, not about being safe.
The most dangerous weapon a human being can posses is an educated mind and the desire to use it for the harm of others. Anyone who actually stayed awake through high school chemistry classes can bring down any nation on this planet, starting with just a pocket knife and some duct tape, if they have the desire and will to do so.
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August 4, 2011 at 1:57 pm
Other American officials (police and military for example) are unfailingly courteous
Um, what? I'm even peripherally related to some of those, and, uh, no. People is people. People with guns is even suckier people sometimes.
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August 4, 2011 at 2:19 pm
last year summit was my first trip to US. Sin I am an Indian with an Indian passport, I was expecting to be harassed, strip searched by the Security and customs but I was pleasantly surprised. No hassles, no questions. Security and Border did not bother me much.
I was more surprised when I applied for a Visa to travel. I had to go to Venezuela to apply for it since my Island does not have an embassy. I was escorted by an official all the way to the Visa officer. The Visa officer did not even ask questions. She just said that if I can wait 3 hrs she can get me the visa stamped that day itself. No Queues at all.
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August 4, 2011 at 2:35 pm
RE: Airplanes and idiots:
It's been proven that you can *waltz* through American security even after 9/11 with:
- A katana
- Machete
- Enough gunpowder to press your own 100 round magazine. Now, add in 3 tennis balls and a roll of electrical tape.
- 2 lbs of C4 ( shaped as/in your flipflops... which are on your feet in plain sight)
- some other random crap I can't remember off the top of my head but was a 'wtf' type of thing.
So, to the whole 'security' crap... Please. Take the money we're spending on 'security', hire two air marshals per plane, and let's move on with life.
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August 4, 2011 at 2:46 pm
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which stopped happening 11 years ago) because US immigration control has deteriorated to the point where no-one in his right mind wants to travel to the USA anywayTell me about it. It's about the worst part of each trip - 20 questions, let's see if we can trip you up, how much can we sneer at you - fairly closely followed by the joys of leaving again.
Don't worry, we treat ourselves just about as horribly. I'm not looking forward to the travel part of my vacation later this month, what with airport "security" and all that.
Funny, I don't travel much, but I've never really had a bad experience with security. Have always just been sent right through. I must look harmless.:-D
Hit and miss with moi. First year after 9/11 was bad, but it's gotten better. Borders usually get me a few funny looks and a short tolerance since I profile nicely. I usually stay business like and friendly, but not overly so.
At Heathrow last time I was coming to the US, and forgot to put my leatherman into my checked bag. The security guy grabbed my laptop bag, so it was in my pocket. I handed it to the guard, thinking that it would be confiscated. I walk through the xray, start gathering my things and the guard walks up and says he has to "ask someone" about this. It's small, but a 2" blade, multiple tools. Comes back in a minute, hands it to me and I walk to the airplane.
Crazy.
Anyone who actually stayed awake through high school chemistry classes can bring down any nation on this planet, starting with just a pocket knife and some duct tape,...
MacGyver?
August 4, 2011 at 3:21 pm
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GSquared (8/4/2011)
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Tom.Thomson (8/3/2011)
which stopped happening 11 years ago) because US immigration control has deteriorated to the point where no-one in his right mind wants to travel to the USA anywayTell me about it. It's about the worst part of each trip - 20 questions, let's see if we can trip you up, how much can we sneer at you - fairly closely followed by the joys of leaving again.
Don't worry, we treat ourselves just about as horribly. I'm not looking forward to the travel part of my vacation later this month, what with airport "security" and all that.
Funny, I don't travel much, but I've never really had a bad experience with security. Have always just been sent right through. I must look harmless.:-D
Hit and miss with moi. First year after 9/11 was bad, but it's gotten better. Borders usually get me a few funny looks and a short tolerance since I profile nicely. I usually stay business like and friendly, but not overly so.
At Heathrow last time I was coming to the US, and forgot to put my leatherman into my checked bag. The security guy grabbed my laptop bag, so it was in my pocket. I handed it to the guard, thinking that it would be confiscated. I walk through the xray, start gathering my things and the guard walks up and says he has to "ask someone" about this. It's small, but a 2" blade, multiple tools. Comes back in a minute, hands it to me and I walk to the airplane.
Crazy.
Anyone who actually stayed awake through high school chemistry classes can bring down any nation on this planet, starting with just a pocket knife and some duct tape,...
MacGyver?
Ah man! Walker and MacGyver in the same day. All we need is an A-Team reference and my life will be complete.
August 4, 2011 at 3:44 pm
I lovw it when a plan comes together.
More to follow late next week.
August 4, 2011 at 3:59 pm
Chad Crawford (8/4/2011)
Ah man! Walker and MacGyver in the same day. All we need is an A-Team reference and my life will be complete.
Lynn Pettis (8/4/2011)
I love it when a plan comes together.
Lynn, you're mean. I love it! 😀
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August 4, 2011 at 3:59 pm
Craig Farrell (8/4/2011)
RE: Airplanes and idiots:It's been proven that you can *waltz* through American security even after 9/11 with:
...- 2 lbs of C4 ( shaped as/in your flipflops... which are on your feet in plain sight)
....
nah, that would be spotted, you'd be the guy walking very carefully.
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August 4, 2011 at 4:07 pm
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Craig Farrell (8/4/2011)
RE: Airplanes and idiots:It's been proven that you can *waltz* through American security even after 9/11 with:
...- 2 lbs of C4 ( shaped as/in your flipflops... which are on your feet in plain sight)
....
nah, that would be spotted, you'd be the guy walking very carefully.
No. C4 is completely safe in that sense. It requires a very specific trigger to explode. It can be thrown, dropped, shot even and it won't detonate. Besides, a suicide bomber isn't really going to care. Worst case it goes off early, he still gets what he wants.
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August 4, 2011 at 4:09 pm
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Craig Farrell (8/4/2011)
RE: Airplanes and idiots:It's been proven that you can *waltz* through American security even after 9/11 with:
...- 2 lbs of C4 ( shaped as/in your flipflops... which are on your feet in plain sight)
....
nah, that would be spotted, you'd be the guy walking very carefully.
No. C4 is completely safe in that sense. It requires a very specific trigger to explode. It can be thrown, dropped, shot even and it won't detonate. Besides, a suicide bomber isn't really going to care. Worst case it goes off early, he still gets what he wants.
don't care what they say about how safe it is, I'm not risking it! 🙂
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August 4, 2011 at 5:16 pm
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RE: Airplanes and idiots:It's been proven that you can *waltz* through American security even after 9/11 with:
...- 2 lbs of C4 ( shaped as/in your flipflops... which are on your feet in plain sight)
....
nah, that would be spotted, you'd be the guy walking very carefully.
No. C4 is completely safe in that sense. It requires a very specific trigger to explode. It can be thrown, dropped, shot even and it won't detonate. Besides, a suicide bomber isn't really going to care. Worst case it goes off early, he still gets what he wants.
don't care what they say about how safe it is, I'm not risking it! 🙂
You can use it as your pillow while smoking in bed for how dangerous it is... just keep anything that can run an electrical current through it away from it.
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August 4, 2011 at 6:17 pm
Just before and after 9/11 I was traveling a lot for work as an engineer/installer for a telco company. Before 9/11 we always traveled with our tool bags as carry ons. After 9/11 everything was checked.
I travelled on a red-eye to New York from Phoenix on standby weeks after 9/11. The executive assistant messed up the flight plans, I was supposed to fly out Sunday Afternoon at 12pm to be there the night before the install. She put me on a 12am flight for Sunday morning so I missed the flight. When I showed up at noon I had to wait on standby and didn't get out until the midnight flight (12 am Monday Morning). I Went from Phoenix to Vegas to Chicago to New York. I was patted down and had all my belonging searched as each stop. I had 5 Hard Drives in my carry on bag and had to explain to them what they were. Instead of being rested up and ready for work I was a zombie.
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August 4, 2011 at 10:13 pm
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Ah man! Walker and MacGyver in the same day. All we need is an A-Team reference and my life will be complete.Lynn Pettis (8/4/2011)
I love it when a plan comes together.Lynn, you're mean. I love it! 😀
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