August 3, 2011 at 8:49 am
Kiara (8/3/2011)
...Now, thanks to The Thread, I have beer on the brain too...
Applied from the outside or the inside?
Imaginary type or the liquid form?
August 3, 2011 at 8:57 am
Tom.Thomson (8/3/2011)
...Actually, if there were a world competition for the worst beers, no European country would come top - the worst European beers are comfortably outclassed for awfulness by many American and (if one can judge by the stuff exported from Oz to satisy the Australian expat community in London back in the 60s and 70s :unsure:) Australian beers. Even Belgium, Britain, Germany and France would be far behind in such a competition (although these four might come joint first in Europe).
Back at the time I spent in the U.S. we (a few Germans that just arrived and been there for the first time) wondered why we received a weird look from a waitress when we asked for non-frozen mugs while ordering a pitcher of Warsteiner. But after the first sip we completely understood :sick:
Never happened again...
August 3, 2011 at 8:59 am
LutzM (8/3/2011)
Tom.Thomson (8/3/2011)
...Actually, if there were a world competition for the worst beers, no European country would come top - the worst European beers are comfortably outclassed for awfulness by many American and (if one can judge by the stuff exported from Oz to satisy the Australian expat community in London back in the 60s and 70s :unsure:) Australian beers. Even Belgium, Britain, Germany and France would be far behind in such a competition (although these four might come joint first in Europe).
Back at the time I spent in the U.S. we (a few Germans that just arrived and been there for the first time) wondered why we received a weird look from a waitress when we asked for non-frozen mugs while ordering a pitcher of Warsteiner. But after the first sip we completely understood :sick:
Never happened again...
It's interesting to me that your post might as well be in another language, because of my profound ignorance on the subject of beer.
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August 3, 2011 at 9:31 am
Anybody familiar with Cognos?
http://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic1150452-147-1.aspx
August 3, 2011 at 9:44 am
Ninja's_RGR'us (8/3/2011)
Anybody familiar with Cognos?http://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic1150452-147-1.aspx
Yeah - and am not a fan of it
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August 3, 2011 at 9:48 am
Ninja's_RGR'us (8/3/2011)
Anybody familiar with Cognos?http://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic1150452-147-1.aspx
He really did not provide enough information yet.
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August 3, 2011 at 9:57 am
LutzM (8/3/2011)
Back at the time I spent in the U.S. we (a few Germans that just arrived and been there for the first time) wondered why we received a weird look from a waitress when we asked for non-frozen mugs while ordering a pitcher of Warsteiner. But after the first sip we completely understood :sick:Never happened again...
It's probably my lack of experience with good German or, in general, European beer, but every time I've tried beer that wasn't cold, it didn't taste good, the alcohol went straight to my head immediately, and it gave me a headache. So I must be missing something...
The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge. - Stephen Hawking
August 3, 2011 at 10:01 am
Tom.Thomson (8/3/2011)
Koen Verbeeck (8/3/2011)
LutzM (8/3/2011)
Koen Verbeeck (8/3/2011)
...Not only excellent chocolate, also excellent beers 😉
And I do need the diapers, just not for myself 🙂
(I just found out I can order diapers from the German Amazon. Interesting...)
I guess we need to agree to disagree regarding the beer part... 😎
That is just because you never tasted Duvel before 😀
I think I agree with Lutz! 😎
I seem to recall finding a Belgian beer that was merely bad (not supremely awful) once. Although it was a great relief :unsure: at the time I can't now remember what it was called. The other beers I had drunk there combined the worst characteristics of German Hellesbier and British lager.
Actually, if there were a world competition for the worst beers, no European country would come top - the worst European beers are comfortably outclassed for awfulness by many American and (if one can judge by the stuff exported from Oz to satisy the Australian expat community in London back in the 60s and 70s :unsure:) Australian beers. Even Belgium, Britain, Germany and France would be far behind in such a competition (although these four might come joint first in Europe).
But it gets very confusing - in Europe there are at least three countries which make some really awful :sick: beer, while these same three countries also make some really excellent 🙂 beer. Maybe Belgium is a fourth?
I saw someone talking about an interesting study a few years ago. In blind wine testing, there wasn't a substantial difference in enjoyment and pleasure seen in many different wines of different prices, until the price and rating were revealed. In the later rounds, when that was the case, the price and rating seemed to create more enjoyment.
Nothing wrong with that, but it's interesting.
August 3, 2011 at 10:16 am
LutzM (8/3/2011)
Kiara (8/3/2011)
...Now, thanks to The Thread, I have beer on the brain too...
Applied from the outside or the inside?
Imaginary type or the liquid form?
That depends on how much of it you drink and how rowdy the party gets, doesn't it?;-)
-Ki
August 3, 2011 at 10:34 am
LutzM (8/3/2011)
Tom.Thomson (8/3/2011)
...Actually, if there were a world competition for the worst beers, no European country would come top - the worst European beers are comfortably outclassed for awfulness by many American and (if one can judge by the stuff exported from Oz to satisy the Australian expat community in London back in the 60s and 70s :unsure:) Australian beers. Even Belgium, Britain, Germany and France would be far behind in such a competition (although these four might come joint first in Europe).
Back at the time I spent in the U.S. we (a few Germans that just arrived and been there for the first time) wondered why we received a weird look from a waitress when we asked for non-frozen mugs while ordering a pitcher of Warsteiner. But after the first sip we completely understood :sick:
Never happened again...
The Australian community in London introduced the idea of beer which needed to be sufficiently chilled to numb the taste buds to Britsh beer drinkers. It used to be common to speak of "Kangaroo Valley beer disease", an ailment of beers that prevented them from being drunk if served at temperatures as high as 0 degrees C, because the Earls Court area of London (where the pubs served this appalling stuff) was known as Kangaroo Valley as at the time it was much frequented by Australians. We were often amazed by Americans who chose to go and drink there, until we realised that those Americans felt at home with beer like this.
The first time I was in the USA I spent some time looking for a place that servered beer warm, working on the idea that even Americans couldn't drink that stuff unchilledl; I was soon disillusioned. Since then I mostly drink wine when in the US (but I generally find US wines excessively sweet, with many so-called dry whites as least as sweet as a good spätlese and the reds not much less sweet than that).
Tom
August 3, 2011 at 12:12 pm
So Tom, it sounds like what you're saying is, American beer is terrible. Well, I know that I tend to buy imported beer most of the time (and I'm in the U.S.). I like Foster's myself.
Also, there is one exception to what I said above about warm beer. Once I was in Ireland and I did like Guinness Stout even though it wasn't served extremely cold. But that's a rich beer, which may help explain why it doesn't give me a headache - the alcohol is absorbed slowly. By the way, alcohol is odd, I understand that it is absorbed straight through the stomach lining. It isn't even digested per se.
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August 3, 2011 at 1:23 pm
If by American beer, you're referring to Miller & Budweiser & Coors, you're right. It's awful. But there's a whole category of American beer that's so good, when I was over in England they were selling "American Pale Ale" everywhere. It's basically our version of the IPA that's become popular.
If you buy stuff from Harpoon or Stone Brewing, it's not good, it's GREAT.
The key to American beer is to go to the micro-brews and then it's fantastic.
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August 3, 2011 at 1:26 pm
Grant Fritchey (8/3/2011)
If by American beer, you're referring to Miller & Budweiser & Coors, you're right. It's awful. But there's a whole category of American beer that's so good, when I was over in England they were selling "American Pale Ale" everywhere. It's basically our version of the IPA that's become popular.If you buy stuff from Harpoon or Stone Brewing, it's not good, it's GREAT.
The key to American beer is to go to the micro-brews and then it's fantastic.
The human kidney is the world's most efficent machine for turning European beer into American beer is a joke I heard a while back. Can't speak from experience myself (I don't drink beer), but the joke does seem to connect.
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August 3, 2011 at 2:35 pm
I gave up drinking a while back but agree with Grant. Stone is an excellent example of a U.S. microbrew far superior to any of the Mega Breweries. Oskar Blues is great too. Busch is owned by a Brazilian/Belgian group now anyway. Coors by Molson? (Canadian?). Colorado (where I live) is a Microbrew mecca. I hear Oregon is not far behind.
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August 3, 2011 at 3:17 pm
Grant Fritchey (8/3/2011)
If by American beer, you're referring to Miller & Budweiser & Coors, you're right. It's awful. But there's a whole category of American beer that's so good, when I was over in England they were selling "American Pale Ale" everywhere. It's basically our version of the IPA that's become popular.If you buy stuff from Harpoon or Stone Brewing, it's not good, it's GREAT.
The key to American beer is to go to the micro-brews and then it's fantastic.
I think that needs a minor correction:
The key to American beer is to go to the micro-brews and then it's got a chance of being fantastically good and a slightly better chance of being fantastically bad. I didn't often drink beer in the US because (a) the mass-produced stuff is all pretty awful and (b) while some of the microbrews are good, more of them (or rather more of the ones I've tried) are bad and I can't predict which a new (to me) microbrew will be.
Of course things may have improved since last I was there, which is three or four years (or since I was there often, which stopped happening 11 years ago) because US immigration control has deteriorated to the point where no-one in his right mind wants to travel to the USA anyway, regardless of the beer quality.
Next time (if ever) I'm over there I'll look for Harpoon or Stone Brewing - thanks for the tip.
Tom
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