Are the posted questions getting worse?
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GSquared (7/14/2011)
Brandie Tarvin (7/14/2011)
May I just mention that many people in this debate are forgetting that historically speaking, there is a predecessor to paying taxes. It even predates feudalism.It was called tribute.
Now, in some cultures it was forced upon people. But back before the Romans, before the Egyptians, before centralized empires of any sort, small groups of people came across the notion that if they paid "strong men" in valuable goods, they could get protection. They weren't all forced to. There was no death threat involved. It was a simple arrangement in which people could concentrate on working their trade and letting someone else do all the "heavy lifting".
Of course, there were some cultures in which people paid tribute to keep the big bad away (don't invade me, here, have some money and I'll pay you each year to keep you away). That evolved into the sort of tributes demanded by the ancient Greeks and the Romans. But fact of the matter is, the tribute / tax idea did evolve naturally and voluntarily in some parts of the world.
A lot like insurance, believe it or not. And I blame the medieval Italians for that one.
Some of the even predates the idea of money (which is a pretty recent concept in the span of humanity on this planet). Heck, some of the idea of paying services/goods for protection predates conscious thought, since animals do that pretty regularly in social species.
Again, that's social contract, while the enforced version is law, in the lexicon I'm using here.
I'm not really seeing the practical difference here. While there's no "death threat" in the actual transfer of payment in Brandie's scenario, since the 'protector' is benevolent, the threat is presented by the Other, unrepresented in the transaction. If the payment is not made, then the protection is not provided, and suddenly there is a threat of something, up to and including death.
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jcrawf02 (7/15/2011)
GSquared (7/14/2011)
Brandie Tarvin (7/14/2011)
May I just mention that many people in this debate are forgetting that historically speaking, there is a predecessor to paying taxes. It even predates feudalism.It was called tribute.
Now, in some cultures it was forced upon people. But back before the Romans, before the Egyptians, before centralized empires of any sort, small groups of people came across the notion that if they paid "strong men" in valuable goods, they could get protection. They weren't all forced to. There was no death threat involved. It was a simple arrangement in which people could concentrate on working their trade and letting someone else do all the "heavy lifting".
Of course, there were some cultures in which people paid tribute to keep the big bad away (don't invade me, here, have some money and I'll pay you each year to keep you away). That evolved into the sort of tributes demanded by the ancient Greeks and the Romans. But fact of the matter is, the tribute / tax idea did evolve naturally and voluntarily in some parts of the world.
A lot like insurance, believe it or not. And I blame the medieval Italians for that one.
Some of the even predates the idea of money (which is a pretty recent concept in the span of humanity on this planet). Heck, some of the idea of paying services/goods for protection predates conscious thought, since animals do that pretty regularly in social species.
Again, that's social contract, while the enforced version is law, in the lexicon I'm using here.
I'm not really seeing the practical difference here. While there's no "death threat" in the actual transfer of payment in Brandie's scenario, since the 'protector' is benevolent, the threat is presented by the Other, unrepresented in the transaction. If the payment is not made, then the protection is not provided, and suddenly there is a threat of something, up to and including death.
My point was about who initiated the transaction and under what circumstances. It was not The Authority, because there was no authority. It was a group of people who came together and made a decision, then passed a measure of authority, in specific circumstances, to people who formerly had no authority over this group and paid them for that authority. Willingly and without coercion.
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Willingly? Sure. Without coercion? Not from the party receiving the payment, but coerced nonetheless by the need for protection
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and now for something completely different:
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jcrawf02 (7/15/2011)
and now for something completely different::-D:hehe::-D:hehe::-D:hehe::-D:hehe:
Thanks Jon, very funny!
-- Gianluca Sartori
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coerced nonetheless by the need for protection
I'm afraid I'll have to card you for that one.
Look up the definition of coercion and it is generally defined as forcing or pressuring another to do something involuntarily, often under color of authority.
By your use of the word, I am "coerced" into buying a cheeseburger because I'm hungry.
People voluntarily do things all the time that they would not do if the enjoyed godlike autonomy. I don't produce my own food, so I pay someone else for my cheeseburger. It's not coerced. It's an arm's-length transaction. If I feel threatened and I hire security, that's not coercion.
If someone comes around to my place of work with a baseball bat and says "Nice little database server you got here... be a shame if something should happen to it.... gimme some money." THAT 's COERCION. 😀
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For those interested ...
Just in case anyone could use a little hand slipstreaming SP1 into his SQL2008R2 ... 😀
and SSC doesn't have a .PS1 script section and I don't want to post it in the SQL script section.
You'll still have to download the 3 exes yourself, but anyway.
Let me know, I'm happy to share with peers.
Your powershell novice addict.:hehe:
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The Dixie Flatline (7/15/2011)
coerced nonetheless by the need for protection
I'm afraid I'll have to card you for that one.
Look up the definition of coercion and it is generally defined as forcing or pressuring another to do something involuntarily, often under color of authority.
By your use of the word, I am "coerced" into buying a cheeseburger because I'm hungry.
People voluntarily do things all the time that they would not do if the enjoyed godlike autonomy. I don't produce my own food, so I pay someone else for my cheeseburger. It's not coerced. It's an arm's-length transaction. If I feel threatened and I hire security, that's not coercion.
If someone comes around to my place of work with a baseball bat and says "Nice little database server you got here... be a shame if something should happen to it.... gimme some money." THAT 's COERCION. 😀
Red or yellow card? And does it help if I fall down and hold my leg and wail? 😀
You're not coerced into buying the cheeseburger, but yes, you are involuntarily compelled to do *something* about your hunger, whether it's tightening your belt or buying the cheeseburger, or breaking the window to steal a loaf of bread a la Jean val Jean. The need for food, or protection, is not a choice.
This is probably turning into more of a discussion about freewill, actually, my bad.
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or breaking the window to steal a loaf of bread a la Jean val Jean
You know nothing of Javert, 24601 !
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The Dixie Flatline (7/15/2011)
or breaking the window to steal a loaf of bread a la Jean val Jean
You know nothing of Javert, 24601 !
NICE. I think I have 4 renditions of the movie based on that novel plus the novel (unabridged) dans sa langue maternelle.
Jason...AKA CirqueDeSQLeil
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I think I have 4 renditions of the movie based on that novel plus the novel (unabridged) dans sa langue maternelle.
You surprised me with that Jason. I really must make a road trip to LV and have a glass of wine (or beer) (or two) with you.
Now I will invoke DBCC TIMEWARP to wish you all a happy Bastille Day... yesterday.
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The Dixie Flatline (7/15/2011)
I think I have 4 renditions of the movie based on that novel plus the novel (unabridged) dans sa langue maternelle.
You surprised me with that Jason. I really must make a road trip to LV and have a glass of wine (or beer) (or two) with you.
Now I will invoke DBCC TIMEWARP to wish you all a happy Bastille Day... yesterday.
Merci Beaucoup
As Per Vegas - you would miss me. I don't live there anymore.
Jason...AKA CirqueDeSQLeil
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Craig Farrell (7/14/2011)
Hey guys, does anyone know of boot camp training session(s) for SQL Server for practical skills (not certifications). I'm talking real basics here. I didn't see much when I went browsing, though I saw a lot of high level type of classes. I have both a need to ship someone to one and my eyes are seeing dollar signs with opportunities.EDIT: I should mention, we're talking what the different joins are, what's a clustered vs. non-clustered index, how to read an execution plan, why you control data types, what's a deadlock... that kind of thing. REAL basic, intro to databasing kind of stuff.
I had exactly this opportunity handed to me a little while ago. I created a basic indexing presentation to train a small group, shared it a couple places and was asked by one company to start a regular brown-bag seminar series. At first I picked random topics that dealt with what I knew best or what they were confronting at the time, but recently cooked up a more logical sequence of classes and teach the first one next week. I love it, am way excited, and interested in collaboration if you guys will have me.
Thanks,
Chad
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As Per Vegas - you would miss me. I don't live there anymore.
Whups, sorry Jason. :blink:
You must have moved when I was absent from the Thread. Where do you hang your hat now?
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Chad Crawford (7/15/2011)
Craig Farrell (7/14/2011)
Hey guys, does anyone know of boot camp training session(s) for SQL Server for practical skills (not certifications). I'm talking real basics here. I didn't see much when I went browsing, though I saw a lot of high level type of classes. I have both a need to ship someone to one and my eyes are seeing dollar signs with opportunities.EDIT: I should mention, we're talking what the different joins are, what's a clustered vs. non-clustered index, how to read an execution plan, why you control data types, what's a deadlock... that kind of thing. REAL basic, intro to databasing kind of stuff.
I had exactly this opportunity handed to me a little while ago. I created a basic indexing presentation to train a small group, shared it a couple places and was asked by one company to start a regular brown-bag seminar series. At first I picked random topics that dealt with what I knew best or what they were confronting at the time, but recently cooked up a more logical sequence of classes and teach the first one next week. I love it, am way excited, and interested in collaboration if you guys will have me.
Thanks,
Chad
I'd like to get involved in this type of endeavour as well.
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