March 17, 2009 at 2:59 pm
Jack Corbett (3/17/2009)
Lynn Pettis (3/17/2009)
called handling on the keeper and my partner and I had to do some explaining about the current interpretation of the laws of the game).How about explaining this to us too? I haven't been involved in soccer for about 5 years because of work, family, and moving so I've fallen a bit behind on any changes.
Short version as I have to leave shortly to go ref a Varsity Girls game today at 4:00 PM MDT.
It's called the pass back rule, and it basically states that the keeper can not handle the ball in her penalty area if it is purposely kicked by the foot of her teammate. There are some grey areas, but they did not apply in this instance at the game yesterday. In that case, her teammate attempted to clear the ball down field, but when she kicked it, it was on a high bounce, and instead of going down field it went toward their goal. It was a very high arching ball and the keeper had plenty of time to position herself to head or chest the ball instead of playing it with her hands.
Had it been a dive to save an errant pass, that would have put it in the grey area, and I would not have blown the whistle.
Most coaches are under the impression that it must be a deliberate pass by the foot TO the keeper for this rule to be called. There does not have to be intent. To things have to occur. Did the teammate deliberately play the ball with their foot, and did the keeper have time to decide how to play the ball. If both answers are yes, the foul occurred.
Help?
I'd be glad to elaborate, but that will have to wait until tonight.
Thanks.
March 17, 2009 at 2:59 pm
Chris Morris (3/17/2009)
It was supposed to be a CROSS JOIN but it didn't look right in the same sentence as beer:-P
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I did wonder whether you should be joining the "mates" table with a "rounds" table to get a list of not only the beer, but how many rounds and who is paying.
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March 17, 2009 at 3:01 pm
Good one. I need more Happy Joins in my life.
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March 17, 2009 at 3:26 pm
Bruce W Cassidy (3/17/2009)
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May be taking a "desert sabatical", if he was paying attention to The Thread.(Free association error: Connection between Pern books and SQL Server being established ... reconciliation impossible ... the desert is --> that way.)
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Now I'm confused. Since when did the sandworm fight the thread on dragon-back?
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March 17, 2009 at 3:45 pm
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March 17, 2009 at 8:31 pm
Lynn Pettis (3/17/2009)
Short version as I have to leave shortly to go ref a Varsity Girls game today at 4:00 PM MDT.
It's called the pass back rule, and it basically states that the keeper can not handle the ball in her penalty area if it is purposely kicked by the foot of her teammate. There are some grey areas, but they did not apply in this instance at the game yesterday. In that case, her teammate attempted to clear the ball down field, but when she kicked it, it was on a high bounce, and instead of going down field it went toward their goal. It was a very high arching ball and the keeper had plenty of time to position herself to head or chest the ball instead of playing it with her hands.
Had it been a dive to save an errant pass, that would have put it in the grey area, and I would not have blown the whistle.
Most coaches are under the impression that it must be a deliberate pass by the foot TO the keeper for this rule to be called. There does not have to be intent. To things have to occur. Did the teammate deliberately play the ball with their foot, and did the keeper have time to decide how to play the ball. If both answers are yes, the foul occurred.
Help?
I'd be glad to elaborate, but that will have to wait until tonight.
Thanks.
Thanks for the clarification. I would have been in with the coaches on that one.
That's not a PK though is it?
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March 17, 2009 at 9:13 pm
Jack Corbett (3/17/2009)
Lynn Pettis (3/17/2009)
Short version as I have to leave shortly to go ref a Varsity Girls game today at 4:00 PM MDT.
It's called the pass back rule, and it basically states that the keeper can not handle the ball in her penalty area if it is purposely kicked by the foot of her teammate. There are some grey areas, but they did not apply in this instance at the game yesterday. In that case, her teammate attempted to clear the ball down field, but when she kicked it, it was on a high bounce, and instead of going down field it went toward their goal. It was a very high arching ball and the keeper had plenty of time to position herself to head or chest the ball instead of playing it with her hands.
Had it been a dive to save an errant pass, that would have put it in the grey area, and I would not have blown the whistle.
Most coaches are under the impression that it must be a deliberate pass by the foot TO the keeper for this rule to be called. There does not have to be intent. To things have to occur. Did the teammate deliberately play the ball with their foot, and did the keeper have time to decide how to play the ball. If both answers are yes, the foul occurred.
Help?
I'd be glad to elaborate, but that will have to wait until tonight.
Thanks.
Thanks for the clarification. I would have been in with the coaches on that one.
That's not a PK though is it?
No. It is IFK (Indirect Free Kick). That means they can not score directly from the kick, it must touch a second player (either team) before you can score. Also, since the foul occurred inside the goal area (if you look at a regulation field, its the small area just in from of the goal), the ball is placed at the point closest to the point of the foul on the line parallel to the goal line. As all players on the opposing team must be at least 10 yards from the ball at the time it is kicked, a special circumstance occurs. The defending team can line up their players ON THE GOAL LINE BETWEEN THE GOAL POSTS.
Trust me, this is one of the more interesting parts of the game.
The two fouls that the keeper can be called for handling the ball in the penalty area are both indirect free kicks. The first one I have already told you about. The other one is that a keeper can not handle the ball if received directly from a throw in by a teammate.
I did a Varsity Girls game this evening, and the other Law some coaches have a problem with is Law 11, Offside. I'll leave that for another day.
March 17, 2009 at 11:14 pm
So what do you think, Lynn? Is our man trying to learn something now? He seems to be refraining from insults, and he's actually providing schema now, if not data.
Can he be turned from the Dark Side?
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March 17, 2009 at 11:25 pm
I don't know yet. It's hard to tell if he is a Vader or an Emperor. If you tried to run his code he provided it is missing a User Defined Function used in a check constraint. The table PrdInfo does not even exist. That's what I told him up front, and without test data and expected results, we can't even verify our work.
Oh, we also didn't have the source table we need to start the whole thing. It even resides in a totally diferent database.
We'll have to see if he respondes. It should be morning time where he lives, so we'll see later what he thinks of our posts.
March 18, 2009 at 5:37 am
I'm going to hell for this one, I just know it.
I was checking up on the status of what I think is a bug that I posted to Connect (Disabling TDE if you're interested) When I saw... well... wouldn't it be cool if
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March 18, 2009 at 5:44 am
Grant Fritchey (3/18/2009)
I'm going to hell for this one, I just know it.I was checking up on the status of what I think is a bug that I posted to Connect (Disabling TDE if you're interested) When I saw... well... wouldn't it be cool if
https://connect.microsoft.com/SQLServer/feedback/ViewFeedback.aspx?FeedbackID=424191
He attracted the same response there as he has here - Loops? Nah, try set-based 😉
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March 18, 2009 at 6:21 am
Lynn Pettis (3/17/2009)
I did a Varsity Girls game this evening, and the other Law some coaches have a problem with is Law 11, Offside. I'll leave that for another day.
I thought that anyone who completely understood the Offside Rule immediately achieved Nirvana? 😀
Derek
March 18, 2009 at 6:33 am
Chris Morris (3/18/2009)
Grant Fritchey (3/18/2009)
I'm going to hell for this one, I just know it.I was checking up on the status of what I think is a bug that I posted to Connect (Disabling TDE if you're interested) When I saw... well... wouldn't it be cool if
https://connect.microsoft.com/SQLServer/feedback/ViewFeedback.aspx?FeedbackID=424191
He attracted the same response there as he has here - Loops? Nah, try set-based 😉
He claims to know a lot of sql, but so far his examples which must use a cursor (cough, spit)😀 are all just relatively simple inserts.
OK, so he needed to generate a sequence, but that's what IDENTITY and ROW_NUMBER are for (or, of course, a Tally table (c)J.Moden). 😀
By the way, who changed the emoticon codes from ":)" and ":D" to ":-)" and ":-D"?
Derek
March 18, 2009 at 7:15 am
Grant Fritchey (3/18/2009)
I'm going to hell for this one, I just know it.I was checking up on the status of what I think is a bug that I posted to Connect (Disabling TDE if you're interested) When I saw... well... wouldn't it be cool if
https://connect.microsoft.com/SQLServer/feedback/ViewFeedback.aspx?FeedbackID=424191
So he got the same response there like he got here.... He must be disappointed...:hehe:
So the bug in TDE is an issue...:-) I hope you dont mind if I use the bug you found for something personnel for me...:-)
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March 18, 2009 at 7:24 am
Derek Dongray (3/18/2009)
Chris Morris (3/18/2009)
Grant Fritchey (3/18/2009)
I'm going to hell for this one, I just know it.I was checking up on the status of what I think is a bug that I posted to Connect (Disabling TDE if you're interested) When I saw... well... wouldn't it be cool if
https://connect.microsoft.com/SQLServer/feedback/ViewFeedback.aspx?FeedbackID=424191
He attracted the same response there as he has here - Loops? Nah, try set-based 😉
He claims to know a lot of sql, but so far his examples which must use a cursor (cough, spit)😀 are all just relatively simple inserts.
OK, so he needed to generate a sequence, but that's what IDENTITY and ROW_NUMBER are for (or, of course, a Tally table (c)J.Moden). 😀
By the way, who changed the emoticon codes from ":)" and ":D" to ":-)" and ":-D"?
I think they intentionally made that change so that parenthesis in code blocks would not change to smiley's anymore.
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