May 24, 2011 at 11:42 am
Steve Jones - SSC Editor (5/24/2011)
Stefan Krzywicki (5/24/2011)
Plus, if the person gets undercover help and succeeds, they're going to be asked to do more that they're going to need help with. It becomes a never-ending situation.
This is the thing I'd worry about. It's human nature to take advantage of a situation, especially when you're removed from dealing with it by another person.
I'd point him in the right direction for training, and offer to train him a bit for your rate, maybe hitting high points of what he should learn.
Or maybe you would take a meeting with the boss and explain what works and what value support brings. I might invest that much in a friend.
Yup. I need to find a diplomatic yet conclusive turn-down. Firstly I can't morally accept payment when I know that it's an individual not a company paying and that he can't afford the rate, secondly I don't think he understands the scope of the problem. There's far more to tuning a server than fixing a single query.
Gail Shaw
Microsoft Certified Master: SQL Server, MVP, M.Sc (Comp Sci)
SQL In The Wild: Discussions on DB performance with occasional diversions into recoverability
May 24, 2011 at 12:31 pm
I'm probably going to get lynched for this one, but ... It is a valid scenario. Honest.
Thoughts?
http://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic1114315-149-1.aspx
May 24, 2011 at 1:25 pm
Brandie Tarvin (5/24/2011)
I'm probably going to get lynched for this one, but ... It is a valid scenario. Honest.Thoughts?
http://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic1114315-149-1.aspx
Sorry Brandie, I haven't a clue.
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May 24, 2011 at 1:50 pm
Brandie Tarvin (5/24/2011)
I'm probably going to get lynched for this one, but ... It is a valid scenario. Honest.Thoughts?
http://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic1114315-149-1.aspx
Not entirely sure, but I may have just provided the rope. 😉
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May 25, 2011 at 4:25 am
jcrawf02 (5/24/2011)
Brandie Tarvin (5/24/2011)
I'm probably going to get lynched for this one, but ... It is a valid scenario. Honest.Thoughts?
http://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic1114315-149-1.aspx
Not entirely sure, but I may have just provided the rope. 😉
Hee. Just for that, I have linked to you. Shame on your workplace for not allowing my blog! @=)
May 25, 2011 at 7:08 am
GilaMonster (5/24/2011)
Steve Jones - SSC Editor (5/24/2011)
Stefan Krzywicki (5/24/2011)
Plus, if the person gets undercover help and succeeds, they're going to be asked to do more that they're going to need help with. It becomes a never-ending situation.
This is the thing I'd worry about. It's human nature to take advantage of a situation, especially when you're removed from dealing with it by another person.
I'd point him in the right direction for training, and offer to train him a bit for your rate, maybe hitting high points of what he should learn.
Or maybe you would take a meeting with the boss and explain what works and what value support brings. I might invest that much in a friend.
Yup. I need to find a diplomatic yet conclusive turn-down. Firstly I can't morally accept payment when I know that it's an individual not a company paying and that he can't afford the rate, secondly I don't think he understands the scope of the problem. There's far more to tuning a server than fixing a single query.
"Sorry, but no. I just don't have the time to do this. I strongly suggest hiring a consultant."?
Wayne
Microsoft Certified Master: SQL Server 2008
Author - SQL Server T-SQL Recipes
May 25, 2011 at 7:31 am
WayneS (5/25/2011)
GilaMonster (5/24/2011)
Steve Jones - SSC Editor (5/24/2011)
Stefan Krzywicki (5/24/2011)
Plus, if the person gets undercover help and succeeds, they're going to be asked to do more that they're going to need help with. It becomes a never-ending situation.
This is the thing I'd worry about. It's human nature to take advantage of a situation, especially when you're removed from dealing with it by another person.
I'd point him in the right direction for training, and offer to train him a bit for your rate, maybe hitting high points of what he should learn.
Or maybe you would take a meeting with the boss and explain what works and what value support brings. I might invest that much in a friend.
Yup. I need to find a diplomatic yet conclusive turn-down. Firstly I can't morally accept payment when I know that it's an individual not a company paying and that he can't afford the rate, secondly I don't think he understands the scope of the problem. There's far more to tuning a server than fixing a single query.
"Sorry, but no. I just don't have the time to do this. I strongly suggest hiring a consultant."?
The only thing I worry about there (though there's really nothing that can be done) is that he'll try to hire a consultant out of his own pocket and the only people he'll get at that price are either people who don't know what they're doing or people who are just out to cheat him. You could suggest the company hire a consultant and that he could learn from that consultant, but he won't like that either. It is a no-win situation at this point.
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May 25, 2011 at 9:08 am
Stefan Krzywicki (5/25/2011)
WayneS (5/25/2011)
GilaMonster (5/24/2011)
Steve Jones - SSC Editor (5/24/2011)
Stefan Krzywicki (5/24/2011)
Plus, if the person gets undercover help and succeeds, they're going to be asked to do more that they're going to need help with. It becomes a never-ending situation.
This is the thing I'd worry about. It's human nature to take advantage of a situation, especially when you're removed from dealing with it by another person.
I'd point him in the right direction for training, and offer to train him a bit for your rate, maybe hitting high points of what he should learn.
Or maybe you would take a meeting with the boss and explain what works and what value support brings. I might invest that much in a friend.
Yup. I need to find a diplomatic yet conclusive turn-down. Firstly I can't morally accept payment when I know that it's an individual not a company paying and that he can't afford the rate, secondly I don't think he understands the scope of the problem. There's far more to tuning a server than fixing a single query.
"Sorry, but no. I just don't have the time to do this. I strongly suggest hiring a consultant."?
The only thing I worry about there (though there's really nothing that can be done) is that he'll try to hire a consultant out of his own pocket and the only people he'll get at that price are either people who don't know what they're doing or people who are just out to cheat him. You could suggest the company hire a consultant and that he could learn from that consultant, but he won't like that either. It is a no-win situation at this point.
a la nez
Have the company hire a consultant.
Jason...AKA CirqueDeSQLeil
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May 25, 2011 at 1:57 pm
Grant and I are talking Execution plans for a whole day at PASS Summit this year.
You are all coming? Right?
Gail Shaw
Microsoft Certified Master: SQL Server, MVP, M.Sc (Comp Sci)
SQL In The Wild: Discussions on DB performance with occasional diversions into recoverability
May 25, 2011 at 2:01 pm
GilaMonster (5/25/2011)
Grant and I are talking Execution plans for a whole day at PASS Summit this year.You are all coming? Right?
Are these the extra breakout sessions that cost extra?
Jason...AKA CirqueDeSQLeil
_______________________________________________
I have given a name to my pain...MCM SQL Server, MVP
SQL RNNR
Posting Performance Based Questions - Gail Shaw[/url]
Learn Extended Events
May 25, 2011 at 2:06 pm
SQLRNNR (5/25/2011)
GilaMonster (5/25/2011)
Grant and I are talking Execution plans for a whole day at PASS Summit this year.You are all coming? Right?
Are these the extra breakout sessions that cost extra?
Not breakout (that's a tech-ed term, PASS equivalent would be spotlight). Full day pre-conference seminar. Yes, they cost extra
Gail Shaw
Microsoft Certified Master: SQL Server, MVP, M.Sc (Comp Sci)
SQL In The Wild: Discussions on DB performance with occasional diversions into recoverability
May 25, 2011 at 2:07 pm
GilaMonster (5/25/2011)
Grant and I are talking Execution plans for a whole day at PASS Summit this year.You are all coming? Right?
If I could afford it I would. I'd love to hear that.
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When you encounter a problem, if the solution isn't readily evident go back to the start and check your assumptions.
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It’s unpleasantly like being drunk.
What’s so unpleasant about being drunk?
You ask a glass of water. -- Douglas Adams
May 25, 2011 at 2:12 pm
GilaMonster (5/25/2011)
SQLRNNR (5/25/2011)
GilaMonster (5/25/2011)
Grant and I are talking Execution plans for a whole day at PASS Summit this year.You are all coming? Right?
Are these the extra breakout sessions that cost extra?
Not breakout (that's a tech-ed term, PASS equivalent would be spotlight). Full day pre-conference seminar. Yes, they cost extra
I'm in the process of putting together a request for my employer to send me to the summit this year. If they won't pay, I'll finance it myself, but I'm not sure if I'll be able to afford the extra cost for this. So, yes, I plan to be at the PASS Summit this year, but I don't know yet if I'll be able to be at your spotlight seminar.
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May 25, 2011 at 2:25 pm
GSquared (5/25/2011)
GilaMonster (5/25/2011)
SQLRNNR (5/25/2011)
GilaMonster (5/25/2011)
Grant and I are talking Execution plans for a whole day at PASS Summit this year.You are all coming? Right?
Are these the extra breakout sessions that cost extra?
Not breakout (that's a tech-ed term, PASS equivalent would be spotlight). Full day pre-conference seminar. Yes, they cost extra
I'm in the process of putting together a request for my employer to send me to the summit this year. If they won't pay, I'll finance it myself, but I'm not sure if I'll be able to afford the extra cost for this. So, yes, I plan to be at the PASS Summit this year, but I don't know yet if I'll be able to be at your spotlight seminar.
I am in the same boat.
Jason...AKA CirqueDeSQLeil
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I have given a name to my pain...MCM SQL Server, MVP
SQL RNNR
Posting Performance Based Questions - Gail Shaw[/url]
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May 25, 2011 at 2:55 pm
I will most probably be there for the Summit (Got the OK from my CTO already) but not sure about the Pre-Con. I havent asked yet.
-Roy
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