March 14, 2009 at 11:50 pm
RBarryYoung (3/14/2009)
OK, this is the most disturbing thing that I have read in a while. Read it closely. Brrrr...
Oooooh myyyyyy.... absolutely chilling. "Forgive them, Lord, for they know not what they do." 😉
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March 15, 2009 at 1:33 am
RBarryYoung (3/14/2009)
OK, this is the most disturbing thing that I have read in a while. Read it closely. Brrrr...
Blimey - now ain't that a triumph of quantity over quality.
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March 15, 2009 at 2:14 am
RBarryYoung (3/14/2009)
OK, this is the most disturbing thing that I have read in a while. Read it closely. Brrrr...
Hey, look on the bright side. Jonathan and Jacob got first and second place, and their posts are well thought out and detailed (at least the ones I've seen). Also note that it's participation (number of posts) not number of accepted answers (as far as I know)
If I posted canned answers like someone who will not be named, I could also top the MSDN forums list. Doing that just takes time, nothing more.
Gail Shaw
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March 15, 2009 at 11:28 am
I don't think I met Mangal up there.
Note that the MVP award is for community contribution, not technical knowledge. You are expected to answer questions, and give good answers, but since most people don't know a lot, you can rack up lots of answers out there.
March 15, 2009 at 12:06 pm
Gail: Granted, kudos to Jacob & Jonathon. Good points.
Steve: That's really the only way that I can make sense of it too.
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March 15, 2009 at 12:14 pm
Steve Jones - Editor (3/15/2009)
I don't think I met Mangal up there.
I suspect he wasn't there. The whole 'Answered Posts' yelling match occurred during Summit.
Steve Jones - Editor (3/15/2009)
Note that the MVP award is for community contribution, not technical knowledge.
It's supposed to be both, which is why this entire situation upsets me so much.
Microsoft Most Valuable Professionals (MVPs) are exceptional technical community leaders from around the world who are awarded for voluntarily sharing their high quality, real world expertise in offline and online technical communities. Microsoft MVPs are a highly select group of experts that represents the technical community's best and brightest, and they share a deep commitment to community and a willingness to help others.
When a community participant sees an MVP in a technical community, whether in a newsgroup, as a user group host, a conference speaker, or a respondent in forums, that community participant can be confident that the information shared by the MVP will be of the highest caliber and will help every user make the most of the technology.
MVPs are objective technology experts who are eager to share their knowledge.
A panel that includes MVP team members and product group teams evaluate each nominee's technical expertise and voluntary community contributions for the past year. The panel considers the quality, quantity, and level of impact of the MVP nominee's contributions. Active MVPs receive the same level of scrutiny as other candidates each year.
From http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/ and pages directly linked, emphasis mine.
Gail Shaw
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March 15, 2009 at 12:30 pm
I believe Mangal stated at some point that his primary area of expertise was BI, however, he enjoys SQL. He likes CTEs. SELECT statements make him happy.
I sent him a private message warning him of the dangers of offering solutions outside his area of expertise, precisely because his link to his blog and his advertisement of his MVP would lead newcomers to rely on him, perhaps to the point of assuming that recursive CTEs is a best practice. He never responded, but I felt he needed to hear that.
It is possible that I could listen to him respectfully when he is speaking within the scope of his expertise. But I don't know that I could trust him about what the scope of his expertise encompasses. He certainly doesn't appear to be in the same league as the other MVPs we see in this forum.
I truly hope that his MVP wasn't awarded solely for participation. When I was a child, schools often handed out awards for perfect attendance. They had nothing to do with academic excellence.
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March 15, 2009 at 12:54 pm
Lynn and RBarry would be good MVP's, Professionals with lot of knowledge and desire to help.
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March 15, 2009 at 1:13 pm
Doc (3/15/2009)
Lynn and RBarry would be good MVP's, Professionals with lot of knowledge and desire to help.
:blush::blush::blush::blush::blush::blush::blush::blush::blush::blush:
Do they give out MVP for Jack of all Trades, Master of None?
:blush::blush::blush::blush::blush::blush::blush::blush::blush::blush:
March 15, 2009 at 4:50 pm
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Doc (3/15/2009)
Lynn and RBarry would be good MVP's, Professionals with lot of knowledge and desire to help.:blush::blush::blush::blush::blush::blush::blush::blush::blush::blush:
Do they give out MVP for Jack of all Trades, Master of None?
:blush::blush::blush::blush::blush::blush::blush::blush::blush::blush:
Heh. Ditto.
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March 16, 2009 at 8:19 am
GilaMonster (3/14/2009)
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GilaMonster (3/13/2009)
Am I being too harsh here?Nope.
I've been caught with errors like that before, and you've called me out the same sort of way. I've never taken it personally or "harsh".
Thanks.
I'm often unsure if I should call out little mistakes like that. Doubly so after I got an email last week complaining that I unfairly pick on people for small mistakes.
Ignore the e-mail. I guarantee the people who think they are "small mistakes" don't understand that enough small mistakes leads to the Titanic at the bottom of the Atlantic and thousands of people dead. (Okay, maybe I'm taking that one too far, but it is a valid analogy.)
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March 16, 2009 at 8:21 am
RBarryYoung (3/14/2009)
OK, this is the most disturbing thing that I have read in a while. Read it closely. Brrrr...
Yeah ... um ... wow ... that is a bit disturbing to see that name in there.
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March 16, 2009 at 9:30 am
Bob Hovious (3/15/2009)
I truly hope that his MVP wasn't awarded solely for participation. When I was a child, schools often handed out awards for perfect attendance. They had nothing to do with academic excellence.
From what I've seen of some of the MVP's, there's obviously that type of thing to put up with. You also have to understand that those "grading the papers" may not actually be qualified to do so. Heh... of course you understand that... look who we're talking about and just reminisce on the latest round of moronic, self appointed, blatherskites that have been doing all the ring knocking around here, lately. Some of those heavy handed, incredibly ignorant, rude, crude, and socially unattractive know-it-alls are MVP's that aren't qualified to hit the floor with a hat. If common sense were gasoline, some of them wouldn't have enough to run a sugar-ant's minibike through a matchbox. If the other's had two brains, they'd simply be twice as stupid.
Heh... I know, I know... someday I actually say what I really mean. 😛
Still, there are a very large number of MVP's who are very, very good at what they do and they treat others with respect even if some of those others don't deserve it. Folks shouldnt allow the loud-mouthed exception to spoil that... and remember that some of our most "favorite" morons are not MVP's.
--Jeff Moden
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March 16, 2009 at 9:38 am
Jeff Moden (3/16/2009)
From what I've seen of some of the MVP's, there's obviously that type of thing to put up with. You also have to understand that those "grading the papers" may not actually be qualified to do so. Heh... of course you understand that... look who we're talking about and just reminisce on the latest round of moronic, self appointed, blatherskites that have been doing all the ring knocking around here, lately. Some of those heavy handed, incredibly ignorant, rude, crude, and socially unattractive know-it-alls are MVP's that aren't qualified to hit the floor with a hat. If common sense were gasoline, some of them wouldn't have enough to run a sugar-ant's minibike through a matchbox. If the other's had two brains, they'd simply be twice as stupid.Heh... I know, I know... someday I actually say what I really mean. 😛
😀
In other words, there are a couple bad apples in every barrel.
Gail Shaw
Microsoft Certified Master: SQL Server, MVP, M.Sc (Comp Sci)
SQL In The Wild: Discussions on DB performance with occasional diversions into recoverability
March 16, 2009 at 9:50 am
Don't stop him, Gail. He's on a roll. I'm taking notes....
But don't worry, Jeff. You guys and gals who truly know what you're talking about more than make up for the likes of the others. Y'all have my respect because of the good information you put out, not because of titles.
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