March 29, 2011 at 8:37 am
jcrawf02 (3/29/2011)
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jcrawf02 (3/29/2011)
So, just had a thought, trying to figure out if it's a good one or not. Camcorder that records 1080p straight to the cloud? Unlimited (assuming unlimited pocketbook) video storage?The big problem I see with the "cloud" is bandwidth. Is it practical to think that you'll get reliable transfer rates in enough places to allow it to work? And if more and more people start using high bandwidth technology, will it bog down the network to the point it is unusable?
Plus, once you've got all your video stored in the cloud, what do you do when you can't connect to get it back? Connectivity is more reliable than it used to be, both wired and wireless, but neither is 5 9s yet.
That's a good point, since likely a lot of places you'd really want this would be out-of-the-way spots.
I think it is a great idea, but I think it is ahead of its time. Maybe 5-7 years in better covered areas of the US, Europe and Japan, 15-20 most places.
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March 29, 2011 at 8:44 am
15-20? That would put us back in 1991 if you move the window? Seems perhaps a little too long, imho. But, point taken.
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March 29, 2011 at 8:50 am
jcrawf02 (3/29/2011)
15-20? That would put us back in 1991 if you move the window? Seems perhaps a little too long, imho. But, point taken.
Well, if you take the 5-7 into account that I suggest for the places with the best infrastructure now then the difference between the two is only 10-15 or 8-13 years. That'd put it back to 1996-2001 or 1998-2003.
From what I've seen some people here post about their access speeds, 1996 doesn't sound too far off.
If I'm selling these places short, I apologize I don't mean any slight or insult. I'm just trying to estimate based on limited knowledge.
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March 29, 2011 at 8:59 am
Not Video, but music..... here is an announcement from AMAZON
Appeared today at:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-12890677
Amazon has unveiled an online music service that lets users upload songs and play them from a range of devices.
The internet retailer launched its Cloud Player in the US, ahead of rivals Apple and Google which are rumoured to be developing similar systems.
Users are given 5Gb of storage space, roughly equivalent to 1,200 tracks, but can opt to pay for additional capacity.
Cloud Player works with Blackberry, Palm and Android mobiles, although there is no support for Apple's iOS.
March 29, 2011 at 9:11 am
bitbucket-25253 (3/29/2011)
Not Video, but music..... here is an announcement from AMAZONAppeared today at:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-12890677
Amazon has unveiled an online music service that lets users upload songs and play them from a range of devices.
The internet retailer launched its Cloud Player in the US, ahead of rivals Apple and Google which are rumoured to be developing similar systems.
Users are given 5Gb of storage space, roughly equivalent to 1,200 tracks, but can opt to pay for additional capacity.
Cloud Player works with Blackberry, Palm and Android mobiles, although there is no support for Apple's iOS.
Cool, I look forward to hearing the details of complaints of how it isn't working to the satisfaction of the users. That'll be a good indicator of how close the technology is to being actually ready. This sounds like "bleeding edge" to me, but that's a great way to test and figure out both demand and where to improve.
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March 29, 2011 at 9:16 am
jcrawf02 (3/29/2011)
Stefan Krzywicki (3/29/2011)
jcrawf02 (3/29/2011)
So, just had a thought, trying to figure out if it's a good one or not. Camcorder that records 1080p straight to the cloud? Unlimited (assuming unlimited pocketbook) video storage?The big problem I see with the "cloud" is bandwidth. Is it practical to think that you'll get reliable transfer rates in enough places to allow it to work? And if more and more people start using high bandwidth technology, will it bog down the network to the point it is unusable?
Plus, once you've got all your video stored in the cloud, what do you do when you can't connect to get it back? Connectivity is more reliable than it used to be, both wired and wireless, but neither is 5 9s yet.
That's a good point, since likely a lot of places you'd really want this would be out-of-the-way spots.
Or it will be at times of high traffic on the network. Happened to me a few weeks ago. My cell phone had reception, was getting a signal, but I couldn't make a phone call because the network was overloaded.
If you're at your kid's <insert sport game/recital/etc. here> and you want to film it, how many other parents want to do the same thing?
The unlimited storage is nice, but if you can't connect, you can't film. Gotta upgrade the network to be able to handle all the moms and dads filming their kid's graduation at once for that to be viable. Be a nice system once it's in place though. 🙂
-- Kit
March 29, 2011 at 9:18 am
jcrawf02 (3/29/2011)
Kiara, happens to me all the time. That's why I like hanging out with people smarter than me (and Alvin), some of it rubs off. 😀
And no Alvin to respond?
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March 29, 2011 at 9:25 am
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Kiara, happens to me all the time. That's why I like hanging out with people smarter than me (and Alvin), some of it rubs off. 😀And no Alvin to respond?
Trying to goad him into talking, haven't seen him for a bit. 😀
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March 29, 2011 at 9:30 am
jcrawf02 (3/29/2011)
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jcrawf02 (3/29/2011)
Kiara, happens to me all the time. That's why I like hanging out with people smarter than me (and Alvin), some of it rubs off. 😀And no Alvin to respond?
Trying to goad him into talking, haven't seen him for a bit. 😀
Yeah he has been extremely quiet.
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March 29, 2011 at 9:52 am
Kit G (3/29/2011)
jcrawf02 (3/29/2011)
Stefan Krzywicki (3/29/2011)
jcrawf02 (3/29/2011)
So, just had a thought, trying to figure out if it's a good one or not. Camcorder that records 1080p straight to the cloud? Unlimited (assuming unlimited pocketbook) video storage?The big problem I see with the "cloud" is bandwidth. Is it practical to think that you'll get reliable transfer rates in enough places to allow it to work? And if more and more people start using high bandwidth technology, will it bog down the network to the point it is unusable?
Plus, once you've got all your video stored in the cloud, what do you do when you can't connect to get it back? Connectivity is more reliable than it used to be, both wired and wireless, but neither is 5 9s yet.
That's a good point, since likely a lot of places you'd really want this would be out-of-the-way spots.
Or it will be at times of high traffic on the network. Happened to me a few weeks ago. My cell phone had reception, was getting a signal, but I couldn't make a phone call because the network was overloaded.
If you're at your kid's <insert sport game/recital/etc. here> and you want to film it, how many other parents want to do the same thing?
The unlimited storage is nice, but if you can't connect, you can't film. Gotta upgrade the network to be able to handle all the moms and dads filming their kid's graduation at once for that to be viable. Be a nice system once it's in place though. 🙂
Yeah, I'd think at least at first an on-camera buffer of at least the size of an hour's filming would be needed, then you can upload to the cloud as network throughput is available. You might film now, but be in an out of the way place or at a high upload time and your camera will save it and upload what it can when and where it can.
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March 29, 2011 at 11:12 am
GilaMonster (3/29/2011)
jcrawf02 (3/29/2011)
So, just had a thought, trying to figure out if it's a good one or not. Camcorder that records 1080p straight to the cloud? Unlimited (assuming unlimited pocketbook) video storage?Not in my part of the world. To stream a 1080p needs at least 200kB/s upload speed (that's with fancy compression), not even going to calc the cost of that much data transfer up and down.
Maybe in the US, Europe and Far East (Hong Kong, Korea, etc)
Typical upload speeds in the UK are about half a megabit/second; I prpbably wouldn't believe anyone who told me they could stream 1920p video at reasonable quality in less that 4 times that (2Mbits/sec). Sure I see it at 1400kbit/sec average, but the peak rate will be 2Mbit/s. (And that's without any bandwidth for sound)
200 kbytes/sec Gail? Either you are talking average rate (used to calculate storage requirements) rather than peak rate (the only releavant rate for streaming) or you must have seen some compression that's a bit fancier than anything I've seen.
Tom
March 29, 2011 at 11:18 am
Tom.Thomson (3/29/2011)
GilaMonster (3/29/2011)
jcrawf02 (3/29/2011)
So, just had a thought, trying to figure out if it's a good one or not. Camcorder that records 1080p straight to the cloud? Unlimited (assuming unlimited pocketbook) video storage?Not in my part of the world. To stream a 1080p needs at least 200kB/s upload speed (that's with fancy compression), not even going to calc the cost of that much data transfer up and down.
Maybe in the US, Europe and Far East (Hong Kong, Korea, etc)
Typical upload speeds in the UK are about half a megabit/second; I prpbably wouldn't believe anyone who told me they could stream 1920p video at reasonable quality in less that 4 times that (2Mbits/sec). Sure I see it at 1400kbit/sec average, but the peak rate will be 2Mbit/s. (And that's without any bandwidth for sound)
200 kbytes/sec Gail? Either you are talking average rate (used to calculate storage requirements) rather than peak rate (the only releavant rate for streaming) or you must have seen some compression that's a bit fancier than anything I've seen.
Which is why I suggest a local buffer, then you don't need a stream for upload and upload is typically an order of magnitude slower than download on most services.
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March 29, 2011 at 11:26 am
Stefan Krzywicki (3/29/2011)
Yeah, I'd think at least at first an on-camera buffer of at least the size of an hour's filming would be needed, then you can upload to the cloud as network throughput is available. You might film now, but be in an out of the way place or at a high upload time and your camera will save it and upload what it can when and where it can.
I would want a bit more than an hour (maybe 4 hours), but 8Gbytes storage isn't particulary expensive and even allowing 2Mbit/sec FBR video and 192kbit/sec FBR audio (both of which are a bit OTT as modern compression can give pretty good quality with those as peak rates for VBR working, reducing the storare required by around 33%) that would hold a few minutes more than eight and a quarter hours.
Tom
March 29, 2011 at 11:46 am
Tom.Thomson (3/29/2011)
Stefan Krzywicki (3/29/2011)
Yeah, I'd think at least at first an on-camera buffer of at least the size of an hour's filming would be needed, then you can upload to the cloud as network throughput is available. You might film now, but be in an out of the way place or at a high upload time and your camera will save it and upload what it can when and where it can.I would want a bit more than an hour (maybe 4 hours), but 8Gbytes storage isn't particulary expensive and even allowing 2Mbit/sec FBR video and 192kbit/sec FBR audio (both of which are a bit OTT as modern compression can give pretty good quality with those as peak rates for VBR working, reducing the storare required by around 33%) that would hold a few minutes more than eight and a quarter hours.
I mostly said an hour because I had no idea how much space that'd take and an hour is enough time that you'd be able to swap out flash chips if you needed more space.
Plus, if you're uploading packages as opposed to the full file all at once, those parts that have been uploaded can be marked for re-write giving you more time on less space.
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March 29, 2011 at 11:54 am
Tom.Thomson (3/29/2011)
200 kbytes/sec Gail? Either you are talking average rate (used to calculate storage requirements) rather than peak rate (the only releavant rate for streaming) or you must have seen some compression that's a bit fancier than anything I've seen.
Sourced from a discussion on the internet bandwidth necessary to stream 1080p HD video. That was minimum (DVD quality, best possible compression, video only) listed. Accurate? I have no way of telling.
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