February 21, 2011 at 12:01 pm
MaricopaJoe (2/21/2011)
I agree the questions are more basic. But this is due to the business side thinking that 'anyone' that has computer can be a dba.Case in point. I have friend who has co-worker dba that uses nothing but google to learn how to do his job.
Blame the IT software industry for making everything so 'user friendly'. If we where all on command line syntax then there where be less basic questions.
Dumbing of IT using the graphical interface.
Hello Joe, and welcome to The Thread.
Whatever you do, don't try reading all the posts from the first one to present time. They ... well, they're not exactly on topic, and there are a few of them.
I agree on your assessment about business-perception on the DBA duties. Microsoft and others have been marketing for years that SQL Server and competing products will darn near manage themselves, and businesses buy into that. More and more "accidental DBAs" all the time.
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February 21, 2011 at 12:16 pm
MaricopaJoe (2/21/2011)
Case in point. I have friend who has co-worker dba that uses nothing but google to learn how to do his job.
At least your friend is making an effort, if he's doing research. Many looking-for-a-free-paycheck types won't even go that far.
February 21, 2011 at 12:22 pm
MaricopaJoe (2/21/2011)
I agree the questions are more basic. But this is due to the business side thinking that 'anyone' that has computer can be a dba.Case in point. I have friend who has co-worker dba that uses nothing but google to learn how to do his job.
Blame the IT software industry for making everything so 'user friendly'. If we where all on command line syntax then there where be less basic questions.
Dumbing of IT using the graphical interface.
I tend to use the GUI to do quite a bit of my job, makes it easier. The difference comes down to also knowing how to do what the GUI is doing. Most people that rely on the GUI to do everything may not understand what is actually happening behind the scenes. If a problem occurs, how are they going to be able to figure out what is wrong, and what needs to be done to correct the problem.
That is what makes the difference between a Junior DBA and Senior DBA in my opinion.
Yes, I agree that the development of GUI interfaces can lead to the dumbing down of IT professionals, if we don't take the extra effort to learn what is going on under the covers.
February 21, 2011 at 12:48 pm
WayneS (2/20/2011)
For those going to SQL Saturday #69 in Philly, I'll be presenting @ 2:15. I'm getting pretty excited about this!@Grant, Steve, Jeff - any chance of meeting up with you there?
No chance for me. I just started a new job and used up some serious brownie points on getting to SQLSaturday #60.
--Jeff Moden
Change is inevitable... Change for the better is not.
February 21, 2011 at 12:57 pm
Heh... no one even noticed recently... I slipped over the 24,000 post line, Gail topped 22,000 posts, and Gus has put the hammer on 10,000 posts.
Well done, ladies and gents!
--Jeff Moden
Change is inevitable... Change for the better is not.
February 21, 2011 at 1:18 pm
Jeff Moden (2/21/2011)
Heh... no one even noticed recently... I slipped over the 24,000 post line, Gail topped 22,000 posts, and Gus has put the hammer on 10,000 posts.Well done, ladies and gents!
CONGRATULATIONS
February 21, 2011 at 1:25 pm
Jeff Moden (2/21/2011)
Heh... no one even noticed recently... I slipped over the 24,000 post line, Gail topped 22,000 posts, and Gus has put the hammer on 10,000 posts.
Now here's a fun question... Am I going to catch you before or after you catch Steve? 😀
Gail Shaw
Microsoft Certified Master: SQL Server, MVP, M.Sc (Comp Sci)
SQL In The Wild: Discussions on DB performance with occasional diversions into recoverability
February 21, 2011 at 1:37 pm
Jeff Moden (2/21/2011)
Heh... no one even noticed recently... I slipped over the 24,000 post line, Gail topped 22,000 posts, and Gus has put the hammer on 10,000 posts.Well done, ladies and gents!
Actually, I think of it as having achieved "hrair" posts.
- Gus "GSquared", RSVP, OODA, MAP, NMVP, FAQ, SAT, SQL, DNA, RNA, UOI, IOU, AM, PM, AD, BC, BCE, USA, UN, CF, ROFL, LOL, ETC
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February 21, 2011 at 1:37 pm
GilaMonster (2/21/2011)
Jeff Moden (2/21/2011)
Heh... no one even noticed recently... I slipped over the 24,000 post line, Gail topped 22,000 posts, and Gus has put the hammer on 10,000 posts.Now here's a fun question... Am I going to catch you before or after you catch Steve? 😀
Yes.
- Gus "GSquared", RSVP, OODA, MAP, NMVP, FAQ, SAT, SQL, DNA, RNA, UOI, IOU, AM, PM, AD, BC, BCE, USA, UN, CF, ROFL, LOL, ETC
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February 21, 2011 at 1:49 pm
GSquared (2/21/2011)
GilaMonster (2/21/2011)
Jeff Moden (2/21/2011)
Heh... no one even noticed recently... I slipped over the 24,000 post line, Gail topped 22,000 posts, and Gus has put the hammer on 10,000 posts.Now here's a fun question... Am I going to catch you before or after you catch Steve? 😀
Yes.
It would be extremely amusing (and one hell of a coincidence) if we all hit the same total around the same time.
Gail Shaw
Microsoft Certified Master: SQL Server, MVP, M.Sc (Comp Sci)
SQL In The Wild: Discussions on DB performance with occasional diversions into recoverability
February 21, 2011 at 1:58 pm
Jeff Moden (2/21/2011)
WayneS (2/20/2011)
For those going to SQL Saturday #69 in Philly, I'll be presenting @ 2:15. I'm getting pretty excited about this!@Grant, Steve, Jeff - any chance of meeting up with you there?
No chance for me. I just started a new job and used up some serious brownie points on getting to SQLSaturday #60.
Are you going to make it to 70-whatever in Columbus? I totally flaked on you guys for the Cleveland one, wasn't a good time for me personally, much as I would have loved to meet you all.
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February 21, 2011 at 1:59 pm
GSquared (2/21/2011)
Jeff Moden (2/21/2011)
Heh... no one even noticed recently... I slipped over the 24,000 post line, Gail topped 22,000 posts, and Gus has put the hammer on 10,000 posts.Well done, ladies and gents!
Actually, I think of it as having achieved "hrair" posts.
Ha! Which one of us is Fiver?
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How best to post your question[/url]
How to post performance problems[/url]
Tally Table:What it is and how it replaces a loop[/url]
"stewsterl 80804 (10/16/2009)I guess when you stop and try to understand the solution provided you not only learn, but save yourself some headaches when you need to make any slight changes."
February 21, 2011 at 2:06 pm
GilaMonster (2/21/2011)
GSquared (2/21/2011)
GilaMonster (2/21/2011)
Jeff Moden (2/21/2011)
Heh... no one even noticed recently... I slipped over the 24,000 post line, Gail topped 22,000 posts, and Gus has put the hammer on 10,000 posts.Now here's a fun question... Am I going to catch you before or after you catch Steve? 😀
Yes.
It would be extremely amusing (and one hell of a coincidence) if we all hit the same total around the same time.
A three-way tie? I'd put money against it, but only if none of you know I'm doing so. 🙂
- Gus "GSquared", RSVP, OODA, MAP, NMVP, FAQ, SAT, SQL, DNA, RNA, UOI, IOU, AM, PM, AD, BC, BCE, USA, UN, CF, ROFL, LOL, ETC
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February 21, 2011 at 2:12 pm
GilaMonster (2/21/2011)
Jeff Moden (2/21/2011)
Heh... no one even noticed recently... I slipped over the 24,000 post line, Gail topped 22,000 posts, and Gus has put the hammer on 10,000 posts.Now here's a fun question... Am I going to catch you before or after you catch Steve? 😀
I'd say you'll probably catch me first... I've been slacking... 😉
--Jeff Moden
Change is inevitable... Change for the better is not.
February 21, 2011 at 2:15 pm
jcrawf02 (2/21/2011)
GSquared (2/21/2011)
Jeff Moden (2/21/2011)
Heh... no one even noticed recently... I slipped over the 24,000 post line, Gail topped 22,000 posts, and Gus has put the hammer on 10,000 posts.Well done, ladies and gents!
Actually, I think of it as having achieved "hrair" posts.
Ha! Which one of us is Fiver?
"Fiver" just means "smallest of a batch that's too numerous to be worth counting" ("hrairoo" to transliterate from Lapine). So, who's got the most "inverse-height advantage" of those who have more posts than is probably healthy? Maybe Jack or Kit?
(To totally rip off Ron White, I'm between 5'10" and 6'1", depending on which convenience store I'm leaving. So it's not me.)
- Gus "GSquared", RSVP, OODA, MAP, NMVP, FAQ, SAT, SQL, DNA, RNA, UOI, IOU, AM, PM, AD, BC, BCE, USA, UN, CF, ROFL, LOL, ETC
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