February 13, 2011 at 7:19 pm
Are any Threadizens going to SQL Saturday #69 (Philadelphia) on March 5? I just read the email where my presentation has been selected to be presented! :w00t::w00t::w00t:
I'd love to meet any of you'll that are there!
Wayne
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February 13, 2011 at 11:38 pm
WayneS (2/13/2011)
I just read the email where my presentation has been selected to be presented! :w00t::w00t::w00t:
Congratulations!
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February 13, 2011 at 11:40 pm
Craig Farrell (2/13/2011)
It's sad. I think the first thing that dies in a time crunch is documentation. That's not that unusual and can be frustrating a few years later...
Tell me about it. One of my first projects was:
"Hey, we did a project 10 years ago and now we want to replace it with a new project, since it has became hard to maintain. However, we didn't write any documentation. Can you look at the code and figure out what it does?"
Best 6 months of my life...
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February 13, 2011 at 11:55 pm
Craig Farrell (2/13/2011)
Koen Verbeeck (2/13/2011)
You are certainly right. I'm afraid I didn't make myself clear with my statement.The developer shouldn't be the only one who is testing his code. Unfortunately I've seen environments where the code was only tested by it's developers (hence leading to the "I wrote it and I think it is perfect so I don't spend much time testing it"-syndrome) or where code is delivered to UAT, only to discover that the application fails if I input a string longer than 20 characters.
It's sad. I think the first thing that dies in a time crunch is documentation. That's not that unusual and can be frustrating a few years later, but it seems like the next thing that goes is any kind of significant dev testing. Eventually that seems to come to be the norm so a few places get used to getting the work done and then doing a 'smoke test' right after in QA.
As QA testing becomes more automated this I fear is simply going to become more common, not less.
It's funny how well people document when you have managers that tell them it's a part of the job... and then give them time to do it... and then having someone enforce it. Published Standards help a lot, as well.
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February 14, 2011 at 1:10 am
Jeff Moden (2/13/2011)
It's funny how well people document when you have managers that tell them it's a part of the job... and then give them time to do it... and then having someone enforce it. Published Standards help a lot, as well.
Dysfunctional mess that I'm sitting it, first is true, second is not, third is true. Any guess as to the quality of the 'documentation'?
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February 14, 2011 at 2:38 am
Jeff Moden (2/13/2011)
It's funny how well people document when you have managers that tell them it's a part of the job... and then give them time to do it... and then having someone enforce it. Published Standards help a lot, as well.
The second component of that equation is what I usually see flying by in the window as a passing dream written on a cloud.
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February 14, 2011 at 4:44 am
WayneS (2/13/2011)
Brandie Tarvin (2/10/2011)
It actually got down to 45 degrees F the other day. Oh, my! We had to wear coats!I thought you Floridians broke out the coats when it dropped to 60?
Nope. But then, I'm originally from the midwest. I wait until the lower 50s for jackets and break out the coats in the 40s (I can't afford to get sick right now).
However, if you were watching Steve's Twitter feed from Sunday (I just missed you, Steve. I was in Orlando on Saturday), you'll see his complaints about chilly Floridians. @=)
February 14, 2011 at 4:45 am
WayneS (2/13/2011)
Stefan Krzywicki (2/9/2011)
An interview isn't just the employer deciding on an employee. The employee is also judging the employer. I think many people fail to realize this even during the interviewI recently did an in-person interview, and when I entered the room the first comment was "this is the guy that interviewed us during the phone interview as hard as we interviewed him". My reply was that I have to ensure that I'll like the company, the people, and the work, or else it's a waste of time for all of us.
Now that's the way to be remembered. Did you actually get the job?
February 14, 2011 at 4:49 am
george sibbald (2/12/2011)
re the nadabadan thread - I think you are all overthinking this, if it looks like a troll, smells like a troll and acts like a troll - its a troll.So ignore him.
I felt the need to educate him on the rules of netiquette, but I guess I failed. Apparently, I either did so poorly or he's just "one of those people" who refuses to believe such rules actually exist.
I just wish that thread would get closed already.
February 14, 2011 at 5:01 am
WayneS (2/13/2011)
Grant Fritchey (2/8/2011)
Hey, while I've got you guys here, when I was off the network, the Virtual Box and the laptop stopped communicating. I'm sure I've got a configuration wrong. Anyone point me in the right direction?I'm sure someone has answered by now, but just in case: you probably have one (or both) set up with dynamically acquired IP addresses
Ah, both.... hmmm... So the virtual should have a hard-coded ip address?
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February 14, 2011 at 6:30 am
QA is where you test for expected functionality.
Say a developer uses a nice calendar control and expects the user to pick the date.
The user figures out that priority is tied to the date, and if he back dates the request, it rises to the top as an overdue task, even with a low priority. Since you have to pick a date, why not make it work to your advantage?
So QA is meant to root out the unexpected.
Users are an important part of QA, never assume that input is good, or that users would use a GUI that same way you would in development.
I was the user for someone elses application. They had it to production as they tested it themselves.
Now the date is not a user input field. It fills in when you open the form. 😛
Similar to Jeff's results, I tend to find time spent on QA is well spent, as well as time spent getting good requirements before you even begin to code.
Rework, especially late in the process, can be very painful.
Greg E
February 14, 2011 at 7:16 am
WayneS (2/13/2011)
Are any Threadizens going to SQL Saturday #69 (Philadelphia) on March 5? I just read the email where my presentation has been selected to be presented! :w00t::w00t::w00t:I'd love to meet any of you'll that are there!
Yes, I'll be there barring any unforeseen circumstances... I keep waiting for them to post the final schedule so I can figure out who's sessions I'll be able to fit in. Yours is one I was looking forward to attending.
-Luke.
February 14, 2011 at 7:42 am
Grant Fritchey (2/14/2011)
WayneS (2/13/2011)
Grant Fritchey (2/8/2011)
Hey, while I've got you guys here, when I was off the network, the Virtual Box and the laptop stopped communicating. I'm sure I've got a configuration wrong. Anyone point me in the right direction?I'm sure someone has answered by now, but just in case: you probably have one (or both) set up with dynamically acquired IP addresses
Ah, both.... hmmm... So the virtual should have a hard-coded ip address?
Depends how the connection is set up, and whether the box updates the dns when it acquires a different address.
Assuming the laptop uses DNS to find the virtual server, and that when the virtual server acquires a new address it sucessfully updates the DNS server that the laptop uses, there should be no problem with dynamic addresses (unless you have you dns client cache lifetime set too high on the laptop, in which flushing that cache may solve your problem).
edit: of course you may not want to given the virtual server permission to update the DNS server; in that case you need to give it a fixed address (and tell the DHCP server that it can't issue that address to anyone).
Tom
February 14, 2011 at 8:21 am
Tom.Thomson (2/11/2011)
Grant Fritchey (2/11/2011)
Lordy, that's still going on?Yes, and now as a result of nadabadan's reply to Brandie our favourite Saint is feeding the troll. Will this wear him down tactic work, or will we see yet another typical nadabadanogram in reply to Lynn? Your guess is as good as mine, I suppose (as long as your guess is the latter not the former).
I've actually got a civil discussion going with nadabadan via private messages. He's as surprised by our reactions to his comments as we are to his. I think it'll sort out.
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February 14, 2011 at 8:29 am
WayneS (2/13/2011)
Brandie Tarvin (2/10/2011)
It actually got down to 45 degrees F the other day. Oh, my! We had to wear coats!I thought you Floridians broke out the coats when it dropped to 60?
I've seen parkas on natives of Los Angeles when temperatures were in the upper 60s. Yes, parkas. Hoods and all.
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