February 8, 2011 at 7:49 am
February 8, 2011 at 7:51 am
Roy Ernest (2/7/2011)
For people who are interested in giving presentation for User groups, please check this thread.
Only four people responded? I am surprised. I know that there are more presenters who check this THREAD. :unsure:
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February 8, 2011 at 8:11 am
I use Virtual PC right now, but it doesn't support 64-bit so if I ever get a machine with enough memory to run 64-bit guests I'd use VirtualBox.
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February 8, 2011 at 8:29 am
Seems like VirtualBox is the preferred choice.
Just wondered why, no one mentioned VmWare or Hyper-V?
As far as I know Hyper-V is only available on Windows 2008 Server - but free if you have that.
Anyone care to explain the virtues of VirtualBox over the others
February 8, 2011 at 8:40 am
Tom Brown (2/8/2011)
Seems like VirtualBox is the preferred choice.Just wondered why, no one mentioned VmWare or Hyper-V?
As far as I know Hyper-V is only available on Windows 2008 Server - but free if you have that.
Anyone care to explain the virtues of VirtualBox over the others
I was at a company that used VmWare a few years ago, but I never touched it or used anything on the machine it was running on. That company was a disaster, so it is likely just as well. The guy that decided on VmWare new his stuff though, so don't take the condemnation of the company using it as a sliight on the product.
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February 8, 2011 at 8:55 am
Tom Brown (2/8/2011)
Seems like VirtualBox is the preferred choice.Just wondered why, no one mentioned VmWare or Hyper-V?
As far as I know Hyper-V is only available on Windows 2008 Server - but free if you have that.
Anyone care to explain the virtues of VirtualBox over the others
I don't know anything about VMWare and if there is a free "desktop" edition which I think was the question being asked. The "desktop" edition is why most don't mention Hyper-V because most of us aren't running Server edition on our laptops although I know a few people who do because they want Hyper-V.
From what I understand the ability to run 64-bit guests on a non-server Windows edition is really the main reason to use VirtualBox. There may also be some slight performance reasons, but I don't know because I haven't used it yet.
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February 8, 2011 at 8:56 am
Tom Brown (2/8/2011)
Seems like VirtualBox is the preferred choice.Just wondered why, no one mentioned VmWare or Hyper-V?
As far as I know Hyper-V is only available on Windows 2008 Server - but free if you have that.
Anyone care to explain the virtues of VirtualBox over the others
I just haven't tried VMWare yet. I've got a license sitting here, but I've been busy on other stuff. Once I got things running with VirtualBox, I focused on what I needed to get done
You've nailed it one. I don't use Hyper-V because it requires a server. I could have rebuilt my laptop using server software, but I'm a lazy sob. Virtual Box got up and running with 64-bit support of OS's. I'm done.
Hey, while I've got you guys here, when I was off the network, the Virtual Box and the laptop stopped communicating. I'm sure I've got a configuration wrong. Anyone point me in the right direction?
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February 8, 2011 at 8:56 am
Stefan Krzywicki (2/8/2011)
Tom Brown (2/8/2011)
Seems like VirtualBox is the preferred choice.Just wondered why, no one mentioned VmWare or Hyper-V?
As far as I know Hyper-V is only available on Windows 2008 Server - but free if you have that.
Anyone care to explain the virtues of VirtualBox over the others
I was at a company that used VmWare a few years ago, but I never touched it or used anything on the machine it was running on. That company was a disaster, so it is likely just as well. The guy that decided on VmWare new his stuff though, so don't take the condemnation of the company using it as a sliight on the product.
I use VMWare products for my production workloads, and simply put it just works. IMHO Hyper-V is still way behind in that space. The question however was what people use for presentations on workstations, laptops etc. I don't think VMWare's free products (Vmware Player or Vmware Server) are as full featured as VirtualBox, though the VMWare Workstation (the one you pay for) or VMWare Fusion (for you Mac folks) products work pretty well. But given the option of the free one from Oracle or the for pay one from VMware for doing presentations and such, I'd stick with what works and is cheapest.
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February 8, 2011 at 9:11 am
Tom Brown (2/8/2011)
Seems like VirtualBox is the preferred choice.Just wondered why, no one mentioned VmWare or Hyper-V?
As far as I know Hyper-V is only available on Windows 2008 Server - but free if you have that.
Anyone care to explain the virtues of VirtualBox over the others
I use Hyper-V, but I also have an MSDN License.
And I also have a workstation on which to run a server OS.
So in effect, since it's paid for already, whether I use it or not, I use it.
Works just fine for me, no need to explore other options.
Greg E
February 8, 2011 at 9:36 am
Well I asked because I've had use of a highly specced server with 2008, and I've experimented with hyper-v. The server itself scores a cpumark of around 2800 (without hyper-v running), but the best of the virtual machines (also a windows 2008 server -64bit) gets a poultry 680. Reading the promo for Hyper-V I got the impression the Xeon CPUs in this server (E5400 series) supported direct hardware virtualization and Hyper-V runs directly on the hardware, bypassing Windows completely so I'd expect nearer 1400 - half the machines capacity (as it has 8-cores, and you can assign 4 to a VM).
I may not have it configured in the best way but dissapointingly my windows XP VM only gets a cpumark of 200 - and is visibly slow and plodding.
cpumarks were conducted with only one VM running and no other load on the machine.
February 8, 2011 at 9:47 am
Tom Brown (2/8/2011)
... but the best of the virtual machines (also a windows 2008 server -64bit) gets a poultry 680. ...
Okay, I have to ask. Did you mean "paltry" or does the VM actually come with a chicken?
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February 8, 2011 at 11:05 am
Tom Brown (2/8/2011)
Seems like VirtualBox is the preferred choice.Just wondered why, no one mentioned VmWare or Hyper-V?
As far as I know Hyper-V is only available on Windows 2008 Server - but free if you have that.
Anyone care to explain the virtues of VirtualBox over the others
I used VMWare once. It screwed up so many things on my laptop, I swiftly uninstalled it. (for example it screwed up autoplay).
But maybe that is more a sign of my skills than the capabilities of VMWare π
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February 8, 2011 at 11:09 am
Tom Brown (2/8/2011)
Well I asked because I've had use of a highly specced server with 2008, and I've experimented with hyper-v. The server itself scores a cpumark of around 2800 (without hyper-v running), but the best of the virtual machines (also a windows 2008 server -64bit) gets a poultry 680. Reading the promo for Hyper-V I got the impression the Xeon CPUs in this server (E5400 series) supported direct hardware virtualization and Hyper-V runs directly on the hardware, bypassing Windows completely so I'd expect nearer 1400 - half the machines capacity (as it has 8-cores, and you can assign 4 to a VM).I may not have it configured in the best way but dissapointingly my windows XP VM only gets a cpumark of 200 - and is visibly slow and plodding.
cpumarks were conducted with only one VM running and no other load on the machine.
W2008 R2?
If so, you could test directly booting to that .vhd.
I seemed to get acceptable performance from an XP VM on just a core 2 duo host.
But I always also had my machine off the C:\ drive of the host.
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February 8, 2011 at 11:17 am
Brandie Tarvin (2/8/2011)
Tom Brown (2/8/2011)
... but the best of the virtual machines (also a windows 2008 server -64bit) gets a poultry 680. ...Okay, I have to ask. Did you mean "paltry" or does the VM actually come with a chicken?
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A VM without a chicken means you can't do voodoo on it to make it work. Only the No-Frills versions do that.
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February 8, 2011 at 11:31 am
Tom Brown (2/8/2011)
Seems like VirtualBox is the preferred choice.Just wondered why, no one mentioned VmWare or Hyper-V?
As far as I know Hyper-V is only available on Windows 2008 Server - but free if you have that.
Anyone care to explain the virtues of VirtualBox over the others
64 bit guest what why I picked it. Couldn't get a VMWare license for free, and the "free edition" didn't have something I wanted. I would have bought VMWare if Virtual Box hadn't worked.
Hyper-V required me to install Win2008 as the host, and didn't want that for my laptop. So I kept the same hypervisor on the desktop. I was tempted by Hyper-V, but when I was looking in 2009, didn't seem to be mature enough for me. USB guest support was one thing I wanted at that time.
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