February 4, 2011 at 7:17 am
Tom Brown (2/4/2011)
If Gus could repost his explanation of this LEET/4chan speak here it would be informative. It was the only info on 'that thread' that I'd like to re-read.
Maybe Steve can pull it out of a backup or archive or some such.
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February 4, 2011 at 8:03 am
Steve Jones - SSC Editor (2/3/2011)
Tom, I'm less than concerned with debates in the editorial forum, or this Anything Not about SQL forum. Those are there for opinionated debate. It's the technical threads I worry about.BTW, I was hoping that you might argue that the warming cycle might be larger than we expect. It's possible that global warming is part of a 25,000 year trend and we could be panicking for nothing.
And it doesn't really matter if the Earth has been hotter than any particular point, what matters is if humanity and civilisation can cope with those temps.
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February 4, 2011 at 8:21 am
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Steve Jones - SSC Editor (2/3/2011)
Tom, I'm less than concerned with debates in the editorial forum, or this Anything Not about SQL forum. Those are there for opinionated debate. It's the technical threads I worry about.BTW, I was hoping that you might argue that the warming cycle might be larger than we expect. It's possible that global warming is part of a 25,000 year trend and we could be panicking for nothing.
And it doesn't really matter if the Earth has been hotter than any particular point, what matters is if humanity and civilisation can cope with those temps.
The best studies I've read on the subject indicate that there would be massive shifts in real estate values, some islands might disappear or might grow (depending on whether ice melt beats increased evaporation or vice versa; e.g.: thus far in the Indian Ocean, evaporation is winning and sea levels are a meter lower than they were a century ago in that area), and deaths from cold/exposure would reduce by more than deaths from heat/dehydration would increase (resulting in longer average lifespans and faster overall population growth). Some areas would suffer desertification, while others would benefit from increased precipitation, and the best models for both indicate more farmable land planetwide, but in different places than it is currently. The wild card in the whole thing is oceanic acidification, which has completely unpredictable results beyond loss of coral habitat (which is a definite result).
The Medieval Warm Period was warmer than it is currently, per the best records we've got (which are pretty poor quality), and had almost universally positive effects on civilization and "life as we know it", except for the possible impacts on Mayan civilization.
The bigger threat to humanity would be global cooling. If the next ice age kicks into gear in a year or two (my personal expectation based on nothing but how cool I think it would be; you are allowed/expected to groan at that horrible pun), the effects on human civilization will be much more disasterous than even the worst case scenarios for global warming. Though the idea of Canada and Russia both turning into continent-sized hockey rinks has definite possibilities to it.
Please note that ice ages in the last 6 million years have had an average interglacial period of warming of approximately 10,000 years, and the last one ended 12,000 years ago...
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February 4, 2011 at 8:27 am
GSquared (2/4/2011)
If the next ice age kicks into gear in a year or two (my personal expectation based on nothing but how cool I think it would be; you are allowed/expected to groan at that horrible pun), the effects on human civilization will be much more disasterous than even the worst case scenarios for global warming. Though the idea of Canada and Russia both turning into continent-sized hockey rinks has definite possibilities to it.Please note that ice ages in the last 6 million years have had an average interglacial period of warming of approximately 10,000 years, and the last one ended 12,000 years ago...
You're one of those people who liked "The Day After Tomorrow," aren't you?
@=)
February 4, 2011 at 8:47 am
Brandie Tarvin (2/4/2011)
GSquared (2/4/2011)
If the next ice age kicks into gear in a year or two (my personal expectation based on nothing but how cool I think it would be; you are allowed/expected to groan at that horrible pun), the effects on human civilization will be much more disasterous than even the worst case scenarios for global warming. Though the idea of Canada and Russia both turning into continent-sized hockey rinks has definite possibilities to it.Please note that ice ages in the last 6 million years have had an average interglacial period of warming of approximately 10,000 years, and the last one ended 12,000 years ago...
You're one of those people who liked "The Day After Tomorrow," aren't you?
@=)
Yeah. Well, except for the acting. And the dialog. And the story. And the "science" used to explain the events. And the ...
Okay, I liked the special effects, but the rest of the movie seriously sucked. And the "wolves" were one of the worst special effects I've seen in decades ...
Okay, I liked some of the super-freeze special effects a bit, but ...
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February 4, 2011 at 8:58 am
Brandie Tarvin (2/4/2011)
GSquared (2/4/2011)
If the next ice age kicks into gear in a year or two (my personal expectation based on nothing but how cool I think it would be; you are allowed/expected to groan at that horrible pun), the effects on human civilization will be much more disasterous than even the worst case scenarios for global warming. Though the idea of Canada and Russia both turning into continent-sized hockey rinks has definite possibilities to it.Please note that ice ages in the last 6 million years have had an average interglacial period of warming of approximately 10,000 years, and the last one ended 12,000 years ago...
You're one of those people who liked "The Day After Tomorrow," aren't you?
@=)
That was a GREAT movie! I love end of the world stuff...
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February 4, 2011 at 12:07 pm
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Steve Jones - SSC Editor (2/3/2011)
I rarely delete stuff, but that one went so sideways, with almost no technical info, that I decided to whack it.Probably for the best. I don't think (m)any of us ended up putting our best foot forward there anyway.
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that would be a yes.
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February 4, 2011 at 12:34 pm
GSquared (2/4/2011)
If the next ice age kicks into gear in a year or two (my personal expectation based on nothing but how cool I think it would be; you are allowed/expected to groan at that horrible pun), the effects on human civilization will be much more disasterous than even the worst case scenarios for global warming.
I like the pun, it's not the least bit horrible.
But oh, please don't misuse the term "ice age" like that. I hate to be pedantic, but: We are in an ice age now, and have been for about 2.6 million years (the definition being that major ice sheets exist both sides of the equator: we still have the Greenland ice sheet in the north and the Antarctic ice sheet in the south, so the ice age is not yet over). What you are calling an ice age is properly called "a glacial period" and an interglacial the period between two consecutive glaicial periods within the same ice age, not the period beteen two ice ages.
I suspect it's more likely that the current period is an interglacial than that it's the postglacial phase of the current ice age. When will the next glacial start? I guess quite soon - not less than 5 years and not more than 5000.
But this is the wrong thread for this discussion.
Tom
February 4, 2011 at 1:31 pm
Tom.Thomson (2/4/2011)
What you are calling an ice age is properly called "a glacial period" and an interglacial the period between two consecutive glaicial periods within the same ice age, not the period beteen two ice ages.
AH! So, it's not so much that any of my recent dates aren't 'thawing', they're just interglacial. I need to get them out of the ice age completely! I see now!
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February 4, 2011 at 1:32 pm
Tom.Thomson (2/4/2011)
GSquared (2/4/2011)
If the next ice age kicks into gear in a year or two (my personal expectation based on nothing but how cool I think it would be; you are allowed/expected to groan at that horrible pun), the effects on human civilization will be much more disasterous than even the worst case scenarios for global warming.I like the pun, it's not the least bit horrible.
But oh, please don't misuse the term "ice age" like that. I hate to be pedantic, but: We are in an ice age now, and have been for about 2.6 million years (the definition being that major ice sheets exist both sides of the equator: we still have the Greenland ice sheet in the north and the Antarctic ice sheet in the south, so the ice age is not yet over). What you are calling an ice age is properly called "a glacial period" and an interglacial the period between two consecutive glaicial periods within the same ice age, not the period beteen two ice ages.
I suspect it's more likely that the current period is an interglacial than that it's the postglacial phase of the current ice age. When will the next glacial start? I guess quite soon - not less than 5 years and not more than 5000.
But this is the wrong thread for this discussion.
I was using a vernacular version of "ice age". Personally, I'm looking forward to the next "Snowball Earth" episode.
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February 4, 2011 at 1:48 pm
Tom.Thomson (2/4/2011)
But this is the wrong thread for this discussion.
Nope this is definitely the right place. I think this has become the 'anything goes' thread, with a small sprinkling of nods to what may be happening in the rest of the board.
I think this years winter has killed my Australian Mountain Gum Tree - its always stayed green in previous winters - but now its all brown. 🙁 I'm hoping it will recover in the spring.
February 4, 2011 at 3:54 pm
Tom Brown (2/4/2011)
Tom.Thomson (2/4/2011)
But this is the wrong thread for this discussion.Nope this is definitely the right place. I think this has become the 'anything goes' thread,
Except technical stuff is frowned upon here on The Thread.
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February 4, 2011 at 3:56 pm
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February 4, 2011 at 4:13 pm
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If you wonder about not seeing me for a week, it's because you're not going to be seeing me for a week.:-) Keep safe, cool, (and for Craig, hot).
I wish. We had a high of 42F today. Who left the dang AC on?
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February 4, 2011 at 8:49 pm
I had the pleasure of Mr. Moden's company at dinner for a couple hours tonight at SQL Saturday #60. If any of you find yourself in the same town as him, you might try to do the same.
I also got to meet Mr. Bitbucket, and spend a few minutes talking with him. Hopefully i'll get a few more tomorrow.
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