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ChrisM@home SSC-Insane Points: 24260 More actions · Answer 1

CirquedeSQLeil (11/26/2010)
da-zero (11/26/2010)
Hmmm. I found a post of Celko where he says that he is the way he is online because he uses the "tear them down to build them back up" approach. Like in the Jesuit college (or in the army).
Where is that link?
That makes a little sense. I think to build them back up, you would have to revisit the post.

Which he rarely does.

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For better assistance in answering your questions, please read this[/url].

Understanding and using APPLY, (I)[/url] and (II)[/url] Paul White[/url]

Hidden RBAR: Triangular Joins[/url] / The "Numbers" or "Tally" Table: What it is and how it replaces a loop[/url] Jeff Moden[/url]

LutzM SSC Guru Points: 107049 More actions · Answer 2

ChrisM@home (11/26/2010)
CirquedeSQLeil (11/26/2010)
da-zero (11/26/2010)
Hmmm. I found a post of Celko where he says that he is the way he is online because he uses the "tear them down to build them back up" approach. Like in the Jesuit college (or in the army).
Where is that link?
That makes a little sense. I think to build them back up, you would have to revisit the post.
Which he rarely does.

He might expect us to do it. Who knows.

Lutz
A pessimist is an optimist with experience.

How to get fast answers to your question[/url]
How to post performance related questions[/url]
Links for Tally Table [/url] , Cross Tabs [/url] and Dynamic Cross Tabs [/url], Delimited Split Function[/url]

Jeff Moden SSC Guru Points: 1004177 More actions · Answer 3

CirquedeSQLeil (11/26/2010)
da-zero (11/26/2010)
Hmmm. I found a post of Celko where he says that he is the way he is online because he uses the "tear them down to build them back up" approach. Like in the Jesuit college (or in the army).
Where is that link?
That makes a little sense. I think to build them back up, you would have to revisit the post.

True or not, can you imagine if everyone did that? :sick:

--Jeff Moden

RBAR is pronounced "ree-bar" and is a "Modenism" for Row-By-Agonizing-Row.
First step towards the paradigm shift of writing Set Based code:
________Stop thinking about what you want to do to a ROW... think, instead, of what you want to do to a COLUMN.

Change is inevitable... Change for the better is not.

Helpful Links:
How to post code problems
How to Post Performance Problems
Create a Tally Function (fnTally)

Lynn Pettis SSC Guru Points: 442467 More actions · Answer 4

Jeff Moden (11/26/2010)
CirquedeSQLeil (11/26/2010)
da-zero (11/26/2010)
Hmmm. I found a post of Celko where he says that he is the way he is online because he uses the "tear them down to build them back up" approach. Like in the Jesuit college (or in the army).
Where is that link?
That makes a little sense. I think to build them back up, you would have to revisit the post.
True or not, can you imagine if everyone did that? :sick:

Which is why some of us seem so willing to try and work with those difficult OP's that insist on fighting us as we try to help them. Takes a while, but it seems to work out in the end more often than not.

Steve Jones - SSC Editor SSC Guru Points: 735656 More actions · Answer 5

Celko is Celko. He has written a lot, and very well, on SQL and standards. However he's an anachronism, a throwback to the past when there were few online resources, and his style as the dictator decreeing solutions would work.

I dislike the way he engages people, but it's not terribly different than that I see of some other people. I advise just ignoring him, advising the OP to do the same, and helping answer questions.

Steve Jones - SSC Editor SSC Guru Points: 735656 More actions · Answer 6

BTW, no idea what's happening in this thread, and not about to go through a few hundred posts over the last week. If there's something I should know, let me know.

LutzM SSC Guru Points: 107049 More actions · Answer 7

Steve Jones - SSC Editor (11/26/2010)
Celko is Celko. He has written a lot, and very well, on SQL and standards. However he's an anachronism, a throwback to the past when there were few online resources, and his style as the dictator decreeing solutions would work.
I dislike the way he engages people, but it's not terribly different than that I see of some other people. I advise just ignoring him, advising the OP to do the same, and helping answer questions.

Steve, aren't you supposed to be on Holiday till Monday? ...at least that's what in your auto-reply.

We now have to re-schedule our online-party plans :crying:

Lutz
A pessimist is an optimist with experience.

How to get fast answers to your question[/url]
How to post performance related questions[/url]
Links for Tally Table [/url] , Cross Tabs [/url] and Dynamic Cross Tabs [/url], Delimited Split Function[/url]

Lynn Pettis SSC Guru Points: 442467 More actions · Answer 8

Steve Jones - SSC Editor (11/26/2010)
BTW, no idea what's happening in this thread, and not about to go through a few hundred posts over the last week. If there's something I should know, let me know.

Unless someone else can think of something, nothing really earth shattering, just the normal warer cooler banter.

LutzM SSC Guru Points: 107049 More actions · Answer 9

Steve Jones - SSC Editor (11/26/2010)
BTW, no idea what's happening in this thread, and not about to go through a few hundred posts over the last week. If there's something I should know, let me know.

The link in Jeffs post started it. It didn't cross the line from my point of view, so no administrative action required. This time Celko didn't follow his own rules in his reply and got called for it.

Lutz
A pessimist is an optimist with experience.

How to get fast answers to your question[/url]
How to post performance related questions[/url]
Links for Tally Table [/url] , Cross Tabs [/url] and Dynamic Cross Tabs [/url], Delimited Split Function[/url]

Jeff Moden SSC Guru Points: 1004177 More actions · Answer 10

LutzM (11/26/2010)
Steve Jones - SSC Editor (11/26/2010)
BTW, no idea what's happening in this thread, and not about to go through a few hundred posts over the last week. If there's something I should know, let me know.
The link in Jeffs post started it. It didn't cross the line from my point of view, so no administrative action required. This time Celko didn't follow his own rules in his reply and got called for it.

BWAA-HAA!!! Nothing like ratting me out to the Boss! 😛 Now I have to wait for Steve's email to tell me not to hassle the poor ol' respondents. :hehe:

--Jeff Moden

RBAR is pronounced "ree-bar" and is a "Modenism" for Row-By-Agonizing-Row.
First step towards the paradigm shift of writing Set Based code:
________Stop thinking about what you want to do to a ROW... think, instead, of what you want to do to a COLUMN.

Change is inevitable... Change for the better is not.

Helpful Links:
How to post code problems
How to Post Performance Problems
Create a Tally Function (fnTally)

WayneS SSC Guru Points: 95450 More actions · Answer 11

Steve Jones - SSC Editor (11/26/2010)
BTW, no idea what's happening in this thread, and not about to go through a few hundred posts over the last week. If there's something I should know, let me know.

Were you gone? 😀

Seriously, Celko being his obnoxious blowhard self, chastising an OP for not following ISO naming standards, then in the same post creating a sample that didn't follow said standards. Obligatory chastising followed of Celko by the regulars.

Or, in other words, SSDD (Same S***, Different Day)

Wayne
Microsoft Certified Master: SQL Server 2008
Author - SQL Server T-SQL Recipes

If you can't explain to another person how the code that you're copying from the internet works, then DON'T USE IT on a production system! After all, you will be the one supporting it!

Links:
For better assistance in answering your questions
Performance Problems
Common date/time routines
Understanding and Using APPLY Part 1 & Part 2

LutzM SSC Guru Points: 107049 More actions · Answer 12

Jeff Moden (11/26/2010)
BWAA-HAA!!! Nothing like ratting me out to the Boss! 😛 Now I have to wait for Steve's email to tell me not to hassle the poor ol' respondents. :hehe:

Ratting you? Naaaa! Recommending for an award, that'd be true!

Lutz
A pessimist is an optimist with experience.

How to get fast answers to your question[/url]
How to post performance related questions[/url]
Links for Tally Table [/url] , Cross Tabs [/url] and Dynamic Cross Tabs [/url], Delimited Split Function[/url]

Koen Verbeeck SSC Guru Points: 259095 More actions · Answer 13

CirquedeSQLeil (11/26/2010)
da-zero (11/26/2010)
Hmmm. I found a post of Celko where he says that he is the way he is online because he uses the "tear them down to build them back up" approach. Like in the Jesuit college (or in the army).
Where is that link?
That makes a little sense. I think to build them back up, you would have to revisit the post.

Here you go:

http://www.eggheadcafe.com/software/aspnet/31278985/the-arrogance-of-celko-.aspx

Look for the comment with the title: passionate responses on both sides ...

Need an answer? No, you need a question
My blog at https://sqlkover.com.
MCSE Business Intelligence - Microsoft Data Platform MVP

WayneS SSC Guru Points: 95450 More actions · Answer 14

da-zero (11/27/2010)
CirquedeSQLeil (11/26/2010)
da-zero (11/26/2010)
Hmmm. I found a post of Celko where he says that he is the way he is online because he uses the "tear them down to build them back up" approach. Like in the Jesuit college (or in the army).
Where is that link?
That makes a little sense. I think to build them back up, you would have to revisit the post.
Here you go:
http://www.eggheadcafe.com/software/aspnet/31278985/the-arrogance-of-celko-.aspx
Look for the comment with the title: passionate responses on both sides ...

All I can say is... OMG.

It's folks like him (well, actually, it's just him) that make me sometimes wish that this was a moderated forum... but then, this wouldn't be the SSC we all know and love.

Wayne
Microsoft Certified Master: SQL Server 2008
Author - SQL Server T-SQL Recipes

If you can't explain to another person how the code that you're copying from the internet works, then DON'T USE IT on a production system! After all, you will be the one supporting it!

Links:
For better assistance in answering your questions
Performance Problems
Common date/time routines
Understanding and Using APPLY Part 1 & Part 2

Steve Jones - SSC Editor SSC Guru Points: 735656 More actions · Answer 15

LutzM (11/26/2010)
Steve Jones - SSC Editor (11/26/2010)
Celko is Celko. He has written a lot, and very well, on SQL and standards. However he's an anachronism, a throwback to the past when there were few online resources, and his style as the dictator decreeing solutions would work.
I dislike the way he engages people, but it's not terribly different than that I see of some other people. I advise just ignoring him, advising the OP to do the same, and helping answer questions.
Steve, aren't you supposed to be on Holiday till Monday? ...at least that's what in your auto-reply.
We now have to re-schedule our online-party plans :crying:

LOL, looking to start my ski winter with a day a week off, so trying to get slightly ahead today, in between loads of laundry.