October 14, 2010 at 11:11 am
Luke L (10/14/2010)
jcrawf02 (10/14/2010)
Brandie Tarvin (10/14/2010)
Am I the only one on this thread holding out because she believes the physical e-reader will be almost extinct in 5-7 years, giving way to platform-independent application e-readers that can work on any laptop, notepad, tablet or smart phone?I'll go with that, sounds better than "cheap" 😀
ditto, add to that the fact that I have a hard time making time to read. My biggest concern would be that I'd buy this couple of hundred dollar e-reader that I'd turn on a few times a month and would have a dead battery so I'd be less likely to turn it on etc... and it would sit around and collect dust. Also, besides the SQL books, the last few books I've read don't come in e-book format... That and I can't see many authors autographing my kindle...
-Luke.
Ooh! Good point! Someone needs to make an autograph app.
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October 14, 2010 at 11:15 am
AFAIK, there's only one technology of the e-ink e-paper that's for sale. I think the there are slight tweaks to get better grayscale bettter on the Kindle 3 and new Sony e-reader, but not sure they're significant.
October 14, 2010 at 11:27 am
Dave Ballantyne (10/14/2010)
Nice , but im somewhat sceptical of their "Green" claims.Alright so you dont use so much paper , but the extra resources gone into making this must be an imperial ton more.
The problem with their Green claim on saving trees is that most of the trees cut down for paper have been specifically grown for that purpose. New trees are planted to replace the ones cut down. So there is little overall loss of trees on this. The paper companies that manage these forests do a very good job of keeping a forest growing and healthy for some odd reason (could it be because their whole product relies upon having trees available to cut down and turn into paper? Nah... must be something else). Tree loss (rain forest stuff) is due to forests being cleared for farms and other development, not for paper mills (at least, not in the US that I know of).
It is an interesting thing to note that there has been a huge information loss because of changing electronic information formats. After all, if you were to find a whole bunch of 8 inch floppies, would you be able to retrieve the data from them? And even if you could, can you even figure out what the format of the file is to get the data out of it? Do you have the program that created them? And 8 inch floppies were, what, the 70s and 80s? That's only 30 to 40 years ago.
And yet, we have clay tablets that have survived throusands of years and that have been translated. Of course, some of those clay tablets we can't translate so we have no clue what information is on them. The big difference is in the expected life span of the media. Unless very, very, very carefully preserved, no 8 inch floppy is gonna be around 3000 years later for some archeologist to ponder over.
Data preservation into the future is an interesting problem to tackle, lots of factors to consider. Just because seomthing is an advancement, doesn't necessarily mean it's better than the older method. As commented, it's difficult to get an author to sign an e-Book. Admittedly, it's nice to be able to carry around a library with you, makes for a great reference source. But, you also can't put yellow tabbies on the pages of interest and quickly go back and forth between them, even viewing both pages (as long as they are a right leaf and left leaf of the book) while holding the middle pages upright. Books have their places and their advantages. E-Books have their advantages, too. Just have to be willing to put up with the disadvantages that go with each medium. I'm sure the technologies will evolve over time.
-- Kit
October 14, 2010 at 11:27 am
Steve Jones - SSC Editor (10/14/2010)
However I have still gone to bookstores a few times, or the library, and to me, there's something different there. There's a randomness that I don't get online. It's easy to get locked into looking at trees, and miss the forest when you just deal with electronics. I don't see what's on display. My amazon front page is so customized, that I miss something catching my eye that I might like. I can't easily move from book to book, checking out a few pages or a description online as easy as I can in the bookstore or library. I don't hear what other people talk about, or remember an author that I haven't read in years because I see their book.
Absolutely. That's one of the things I love about visiting Seattle. Visit Barnes & Noble, visit Elliot Bay bookshow, visit the University of Washington books shop and browse through the books they have looking for authors I've never hear of and leafing through the books looking for good stuff
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October 14, 2010 at 11:50 am
CirquedeSQLeil (10/14/2010)
Grant Fritchey (10/14/2010)
Stefan Krzywicki (10/14/2010)
Kit G (10/14/2010)
Stefan Krzywicki (10/14/2010)
They have color e-ink now, it just isn't in commercial devices yet. There was a Sci-Am article about it a year or so ago.
Neato! Guess I'll be replacing my Kindle when that comes out. That is one of the draw backs of the Kindle, no color. They also need to work on the bookmarking system.
Well, you could always get one of these.
One side is e-ink like a Kindle, the other is a full color screen like an iPad. If you're reading something on the Kindle-like side and there's an illustration or something you want to see in color, you just flick it over to the other screen and violla! There it is in full color.
It even backfolds so it isn't as wide as when it is fully open.
Holy crap! That is sessy! Very sessy!
Desire. Need. Want.
Of course, it's probably built on some proprietary system that will be rendered obsolete or non-functional about a week after I buy one.
Sure - burst my bubble. I still want one.
Don't misunderstand. You can buy one. It'll be great. If I buy one, it'll be discontinued, unsupported and out of mainstream within 3 months. Let me know if you're purchasing and I'll hold off until you've gotten good use out of it.
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October 14, 2010 at 11:54 am
Steve Jones - SSC Editor (10/14/2010)
jcrawf02 (10/14/2010)
Steve Jones - SSC Editor (10/14/2010)
Doesn't bode well for lots of jobs, and I hope that some level of "bookstore" still remains in the future.
Other than the nostalgia factor, why? Certainly not more convenient, and with everyone becoming more and more comfortable with electronic formats for everything, where would be the purpose? Especially if you have the ability to add highlighting/notes to an existing file?
I like books, but what I like about them is getting to read them, not moving them from shelf to lap to shelf. (or shuttling to and from the library)
I should blog this, but for the last few years I've bought the majority of my books, over 100, electronically. That means for the most part I get recommendations from friends, Amazon, etc. and grab those books.
However I have still gone to bookstores a few times, or the library, and to me, there's something different there. There's a randomness that I don't get online. It's easy to get locked into looking at trees, and miss the forest when you just deal with electronics. I don't see what's on display. My amazon front page is so customized, that I miss something catching my eye that I might like. I can't easily move from book to book, checking out a few pages or a description online as easy as I can in the bookstore or library. I don't hear what other people talk about, or remember an author that I haven't read in years because I see their book.
I know that it's hard to reconcile e-books and a bookstore or library, but I think there is something special about being in the real world, with all of it's randomness and inefficiencies.
I certainly
Put me down for the bookstore too. I can browse around amazon & never buy anything. I can't walk in a bookstore and walk out empty-handed. I always see something new, different, interesting, remaindered, whatever, that I have to have.
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- Theodore Roosevelt
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SQL Server Execution Plans
SQL Server Query Performance Tuning
October 14, 2010 at 12:29 pm
Grant Fritchey (10/14/2010)
CirquedeSQLeil (10/14/2010)
Grant Fritchey (10/14/2010)
Stefan Krzywicki (10/14/2010)
Kit G (10/14/2010)
Stefan Krzywicki (10/14/2010)
They have color e-ink now, it just isn't in commercial devices yet. There was a Sci-Am article about it a year or so ago.
Neato! Guess I'll be replacing my Kindle when that comes out. That is one of the draw backs of the Kindle, no color. They also need to work on the bookmarking system.
Well, you could always get one of these.
One side is e-ink like a Kindle, the other is a full color screen like an iPad. If you're reading something on the Kindle-like side and there's an illustration or something you want to see in color, you just flick it over to the other screen and violla! There it is in full color.
It even backfolds so it isn't as wide as when it is fully open.
Holy crap! That is sessy! Very sessy!
Desire. Need. Want.
Of course, it's probably built on some proprietary system that will be rendered obsolete or non-functional about a week after I buy one.
Sure - burst my bubble. I still want one.
Don't misunderstand. You can buy one. It'll be great. If I buy one, it'll be discontinued, unsupported and out of mainstream within 3 months. Let me know if you're purchasing and I'll hold off until you've gotten good use out of it.
Haha - trying to convince wife to get me an e-book reader for birthday or christmas.
Jason...AKA CirqueDeSQLeil
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October 14, 2010 at 12:33 pm
Good idea Jason. Where can I find a wife before Xmas? 😀
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October 14, 2010 at 12:34 pm
Alvin Ramard (10/14/2010)
Good idea Jason. Where can I find a wife before Xmas? 😀
I'm guessing buying my own might be cheaper. 😀
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October 14, 2010 at 12:35 pm
Alvin Ramard (10/14/2010)
Alvin Ramard (10/14/2010)
Good idea Jason. Where can I find a wife before Xmas? 😀I'm guessing buying my own might be cheaper. 😀
maybe - you could get yourself a rich wife who would pay everything for you - then it would be cheaper to have the wife.
Jason...AKA CirqueDeSQLeil
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October 14, 2010 at 12:37 pm
Is Mr Celko mellowing? Admitting there is something he does NOT know, or has his character drastically changed?
http://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic1002440-1292-2.aspx
October 14, 2010 at 12:48 pm
Alvin Ramard (10/14/2010)
Alvin Ramard (10/14/2010)
Good idea Jason. Where can I find a wife before Xmas? 😀I'm guessing buying my own might be cheaper. 😀
E-book or wife?
There are places on earth where one or both of the above is/are illegal. (e.g. I don't think you can buy an e-book in Iran... 😉 )
October 14, 2010 at 12:58 pm
Alvin Ramard (10/14/2010)
Alvin Ramard (10/14/2010)
Good idea Jason. Where can I find a wife before Xmas? 😀I'm guessing buying my own might be cheaper. 😀
There you go - talking to yourself again.
Although I think you're probably right.
Greg E
October 14, 2010 at 12:59 pm
bitbucket-25253 (10/14/2010)
Is Mr Celko mellowing? Admitting there is something he does NOT know, or has his character drastically changed?http://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic1002440-1292-2.aspx
Question: How many false statements can you find in his reply? ("Declare a table variable in the Outside procedure and use the Inside procedure to insert into it." and "This will not have to go to TempDB or be persisted.")
Seems like he's not following the SQLTuesday blogs...
October 14, 2010 at 1:18 pm
LutzM (10/14/2010)
bitbucket-25253 (10/14/2010)
Is Mr Celko mellowing? Admitting there is something he does NOT know, or has his character drastically changed?http://www.sqlservercentral.com/Forums/Topic1002440-1292-2.aspx
Question: How many false statements can you find in his reply? ("Declare a table variable in the Outside procedure and use the Inside procedure to insert into it." and "This will not have to go to TempDB or be persisted.")
Seems like he's not following the SQLTuesday blogs...
Well, I got to do something that I don't get to do pretty often... I corrected him. :w00t: 😀
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