September 27, 2010 at 5:09 am
Jeff Moden (9/26/2010)
Heh... I knew the problem of asinine articles, bad blogs, cruddy code, dumb demonstrations, extreme egos, and flippant flawed followers was pretty bad before I started the research but I've discovered that the problem is actually much, much worse than I ever thought before... there are a whole lot of people that should'na be allowed near a computer never mind a database.
Hee. When I finish my communication series of articles, I was going to start writing T-SQL fiction on my blog. Does that mean I'll get hit with the Forum Ban-Bat? @=)
September 27, 2010 at 5:39 am
I just got bad news. I've seen the schedule for the PASS Summit. I'll be speaking to an empty room because I'm presenting the same time as Jeff.
Hey Jeff, if I've only got three or four people, we're coming down to your room to watch your presentation.
BTW, it's preliminary & subject to change and before anyone asks, no, I'm not going to tell you when everyone is speaking. I just figured this was a good place to whine about my ill-fortune.
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September 27, 2010 at 6:52 am
Grant Fritchey (9/27/2010)
I just got bad news. I've seen the schedule for the PASS Summit. I'll be speaking to an empty room because I'm presenting the same time as Jeff.Hey Jeff, if I've only got three or four people, we're coming down to your room to watch your presentation.
BTW, it's preliminary & subject to change and before anyone asks, no, I'm not going to tell you when everyone is speaking. I just figured this was a good place to whine about my ill-fortune.
Time to call up the bribe toolbox :w00t:
It will indeed be a tough choice.
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September 27, 2010 at 7:45 am
Jeff Moden (9/26/2010)
Tom.Thomson (9/23/2010)
and it made me thing yet again that we need to ask ourselves if the ANSWERs are getting worse. This was a perfectly reasonable question, but of the answers to date only Leo's was reasonable: the others were disgraceful.On that very note, I've recently been doing a whole lot of research for a little project I'm on concerning different methods to do certain things in T-SQL. Heh... I knew the problem of asinine articles, bad blogs, cruddy code, dumb demonstrations, extreme egos, and flippant flawed followers was pretty bad before I started the research but I've discovered that the problem is actually much, much worse than I ever thought before... there are a whole lot of people that should'na be allowed near a computer never mind a database.
I don't even need to go to the internet.
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And it seems they had a batch larger than 999 come through:w00t:
Very interesting results.
Greg E
September 27, 2010 at 7:54 am
Jeff Moden (9/26/2010)
... there are a whole lot of people that should'na be allowed near a computer never mind a database.
Seen too many that shouldn't do either but do both. Oh well, hopefully that means job security for some of us.
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September 27, 2010 at 8:37 am
Brandie Tarvin (9/27/2010)
WayneS (9/26/2010)
Brandie Tarvin (9/24/2010)
Wow. I just found the most interesting article on VSS Writer and backups through it... Thought I'd share.Though I'm sure most of you have already seen it before:
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ee923636(WS.10).aspx
Brandie, that is a very good link. Thanks for sharing it. (I initially thought this was going to be on SourceSafe... gotta love how MS re-used that acronym!)
You're welcome.
I wonder which came first. The VSS Writer or the VSS source control...
The EGG
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September 27, 2010 at 8:38 am
Alvin Ramard (9/27/2010)
Jeff Moden (9/26/2010)
... there are a whole lot of people that should'na be allowed near a computer never mind a database.Seen too many that shouldn't do either but do both. Oh well, hopefully that means job security for some of us.
The problem with this is that people are on a learning curve. So should they not blog until they know everything? Do we remove Jeff's Running Total article when Windowing functions become prevalent in SQL Server?
There are mistakes, and places where we easily see that someone should know better, but I'd also argue there are tons of articles that are debatable, where you could make an argument that some of the information makes sense to put out there for debate, and discussion, as well as use in some domains.
September 27, 2010 at 8:42 am
Steve Jones - Editor (9/27/2010)
Alvin Ramard (9/27/2010)
Jeff Moden (9/26/2010)
... there are a whole lot of people that should'na be allowed near a computer never mind a database.Seen too many that shouldn't do either but do both. Oh well, hopefully that means job security for some of us.
The problem with this is that people are on a learning curve. So should they not blog until they know everything? Do we remove Jeff's Running Total article when Windowing functions become prevalent in SQL Server?
There are mistakes, and places where we easily see that someone should know better, but I'd also argue there are tons of articles that are debatable, where you could make an argument that some of the information makes sense to put out there for debate, and discussion, as well as use in some domains.
I have to agree. The solution for bad speech is not to shut things down, but more speech.
On the other hand, bad information can get perpetuated forever. I know of an extremely smart guy, who will remain nameless, who posted a few bits of questionable advice back in 2001. They've been copied so much that the poor guy, who long ago fixed the issue, still gets attribution to some less than savory information. Once it's loose on the internet, it's hard to reign things back in.
"The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood"
- Theodore Roosevelt
Author of:
SQL Server Execution Plans
SQL Server Query Performance Tuning
September 27, 2010 at 8:43 am
Steve Jones - Editor (9/27/2010)
Alvin Ramard (9/27/2010)
Jeff Moden (9/26/2010)
... there are a whole lot of people that should'na be allowed near a computer never mind a database.Seen too many that shouldn't do either but do both. Oh well, hopefully that means job security for some of us.
The problem with this is that people are on a learning curve. So should they not blog until they know everything? Do we remove Jeff's Running Total article when Windowing functions become prevalent in SQL Server?
There are mistakes, and places where we easily see that someone should know better, but I'd also argue there are tons of articles that are debatable, where you could make an argument that some of the information makes sense to put out there for debate, and discussion, as well as use in some domains.
From these mistakes, it is whether or not the person has learned. Put something out there, debate it and if you are wrong - take your lumps and make a correction. Sometimes we learn quite a bit through our articles and our blogs that we would not have learned otherwise.
Jason...AKA CirqueDeSQLeil
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September 27, 2010 at 8:49 am
Steve Jones - Editor (9/27/2010)
Alvin Ramard (9/27/2010)
Jeff Moden (9/26/2010)
... there are a whole lot of people that should'na be allowed near a computer never mind a database.Seen too many that shouldn't do either but do both. Oh well, hopefully that means job security for some of us.
The problem with this is that people are on a learning curve. So should they not blog until they know everything? Do we remove Jeff's Running Total article when Windowing functions become prevalent in SQL Server?
There are mistakes, and places where we easily see that someone should know better, but I'd also argue there are tons of articles that are debatable, where you could make an argument that some of the information makes sense to put out there for debate, and discussion, as well as use in some domains.
I've started a SQL Server and programming blog and I certainly don't know everything. I'm posting things I do know, or at least think I know, and am hoping that if I'm wrong or if people have ways they think are better, I can have a discussion and make adjustments. I state that right in the very first post. I'm doing it partly to let others know things I've found, partly to log information I know I'll want to reference later and partly to learn.
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September 27, 2010 at 8:51 am
Steve Jones - Editor (9/27/2010)
Alvin Ramard (9/27/2010)
Jeff Moden (9/26/2010)
... there are a whole lot of people that should'na be allowed near a computer never mind a database.Seen too many that shouldn't do either but do both. Oh well, hopefully that means job security for some of us.
The problem with this is that people are on a learning curve. So should they not blog until they know everything? Do we remove Jeff's Running Total article when Windowing functions become prevalent in SQL Server?
There are mistakes, and places where we easily see that someone should know better, but I'd also argue there are tons of articles that are debatable, where you could make an argument that some of the information makes sense to put out there for debate, and discussion, as well as use in some domains.
Oh, and I wanted to mention that I've learned some great things on this site in the discussion of articles. The original article might not have been spot on, but the discussion that followed not only gave me more information, it gave me new ways to look at the problem.
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When you encounter a problem, if the solution isn't readily evident go back to the start and check your assumptions.
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It’s unpleasantly like being drunk.
What’s so unpleasant about being drunk?
You ask a glass of water. -- Douglas Adams
September 27, 2010 at 8:52 am
Grant Fritchey (9/27/2010)
Steve Jones - Editor (9/27/2010)
Alvin Ramard (9/27/2010)
Jeff Moden (9/26/2010)
... there are a whole lot of people that should'na be allowed near a computer never mind a database.Seen too many that shouldn't do either but do both. Oh well, hopefully that means job security for some of us.
The problem with this is that people are on a learning curve. So should they not blog until they know everything? Do we remove Jeff's Running Total article when Windowing functions become prevalent in SQL Server?
There are mistakes, and places where we easily see that someone should know better, but I'd also argue there are tons of articles that are debatable, where you could make an argument that some of the information makes sense to put out there for debate, and discussion, as well as use in some domains.
I have to agree. The solution for bad speech is not to shut things down, but more speech.
On the other hand, bad information can get perpetuated forever. I know of an extremely smart guy, who will remain nameless, who posted a few bits of questionable advice back in 2001. They've been copied so much that the poor guy, who long ago fixed the issue, still gets attribution to some less than savory information. Once it's loose on the internet, it's hard to reign things back in.
And this is why the most important thing you can learn is how to do research. How to evaluate sources and look for more than one source if you can possibly find it. It doesn't always solve the problem, but it is the best we've got.
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When you encounter a problem, if the solution isn't readily evident go back to the start and check your assumptions.
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It’s unpleasantly like being drunk.
What’s so unpleasant about being drunk?
You ask a glass of water. -- Douglas Adams
September 27, 2010 at 8:53 am
Stefan Krzywicki (9/27/2010)
Steve Jones - Editor (9/27/2010)
Alvin Ramard (9/27/2010)
Jeff Moden (9/26/2010)
... there are a whole lot of people that should'na be allowed near a computer never mind a database.Seen too many that shouldn't do either but do both. Oh well, hopefully that means job security for some of us.
The problem with this is that people are on a learning curve. So should they not blog until they know everything? Do we remove Jeff's Running Total article when Windowing functions become prevalent in SQL Server?
There are mistakes, and places where we easily see that someone should know better, but I'd also argue there are tons of articles that are debatable, where you could make an argument that some of the information makes sense to put out there for debate, and discussion, as well as use in some domains.
I've started a SQL Server and programming blog and I certainly don't know everything. I'm posting things I do know, or at least think I know, and am hoping that if I'm wrong or if people have ways they think are better, I can have a discussion and make adjustments. I state that right in the very first post. I'm doing it partly to let others know things I've found, partly to log information I know I'll want to reference later and partly to learn.
what is your blog address?
Jason...AKA CirqueDeSQLeil
_______________________________________________
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SQL RNNR
Posting Performance Based Questions - Gail Shaw[/url]
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September 27, 2010 at 9:10 am
CirquedeSQLeil (9/27/2010)
Stefan Krzywicki (9/27/2010)
Steve Jones - Editor (9/27/2010)
Alvin Ramard (9/27/2010)
Jeff Moden (9/26/2010)
... there are a whole lot of people that should'na be allowed near a computer never mind a database.Seen too many that shouldn't do either but do both. Oh well, hopefully that means job security for some of us.
The problem with this is that people are on a learning curve. So should they not blog until they know everything? Do we remove Jeff's Running Total article when Windowing functions become prevalent in SQL Server?
There are mistakes, and places where we easily see that someone should know better, but I'd also argue there are tons of articles that are debatable, where you could make an argument that some of the information makes sense to put out there for debate, and discussion, as well as use in some domains.
I've started a SQL Server and programming blog and I certainly don't know everything. I'm posting things I do know, or at least think I know, and am hoping that if I'm wrong or if people have ways they think are better, I can have a discussion and make adjustments. I state that right in the very first post. I'm doing it partly to let others know things I've found, partly to log information I know I'll want to reference later and partly to learn.
what is your blog address?
Heh, part of me has been terrified that people here will find the blog and immediately think I'm an idiot. Of course, as I stated above part of the reason for the blog is so I can learn as well, so that's a ridiculous reaction, but it is there nonetheless.
The blog is at sqlserver.thoughtstream.com and I still have a lot of cosmetic work to do on it. I've started 6 blogs on various topics, so I won't be posting on most of them every day and I have a lot of work to do on the site: a main page linking to the blogs, images on the various blogs, better names for some of them (like the SQL Server one), etc...
Other than posting the information I want to reference later, I'm trying to target people who aren't experts. I'm not intending to have a blog like some I've seen where I just rephrase Books Online, I want to make suggestions for how to approach SQL Server, point out some useful tools and warn about some roadblocks.
I just hope I don't fall into the idiots category Jeff was talking about. I don't think I do, but then most idiots don't : -)
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When you encounter a problem, if the solution isn't readily evident go back to the start and check your assumptions.
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It’s unpleasantly like being drunk.
What’s so unpleasant about being drunk?
You ask a glass of water. -- Douglas Adams
September 27, 2010 at 9:15 am
CirquedeSQLeil (9/27/2010)
Sometimes we learn quite a bit through our articles and our blogs that we would not have learned otherwise.
So true. In fact, the last article that I wrote was because I knew I didn't understand the window functions that well, and there's nothing like writing an article to get you to research and understand it. I think if I hadn't done that, I still wouldn't have the understanding that I wanted.
Wayne
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