August 30, 2010 at 3:03 pm
ok.....so, going to give voice to a thought I've been having lately. If PASS's main goal is to facilitate knowledge, and the value they bring to members does not extend beyond gathering resources together, then wasn't Matt Morollo right, they're a content provider?
PASS Summit is great, but unreachable for many. Membership doesn't cost anything, supposedly because they wanted to drive membership up, so they made it free.
But if they're just lining up training that you can get without BEING a member, what is the incentive to belong to the "professional organization"?
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August 30, 2010 at 3:11 pm
jcrawf02 (8/30/2010)
ok.....so, going to give voice to a thought I've been having lately. If PASS's main goal is to facilitate knowledge, and the value they bring to members does not extend beyond gathering resources together, then wasn't Matt Morollo right, they're a content provider?PASS Summit is great, but unreachable for many. Membership doesn't cost anything, supposedly because they wanted to drive membership up, so they made it free.
But if they're just lining up training that you can get without BEING a member, what is the incentive to belong to the "professional organization"?
Part of why I am questioning any continuing association with them. Especially as I don't think they are that interested in community.
August 30, 2010 at 3:33 pm
jcrawf02 (8/30/2010)
ok.....so, going to give voice to a thought I've been having lately. If PASS's main goal is to facilitate knowledge, and the value they bring to members does not extend beyond gathering resources together, then wasn't Matt Morollo right, they're a content provider?PASS Summit is great, but unreachable for many. Membership doesn't cost anything, supposedly because they wanted to drive membership up, so they made it free.
But if they're just lining up training that you can get without BEING a member, what is the incentive to belong to the "professional organization"?
A lot of people are asking that question. I don't think PASS knows what it wants to be and that is what needs to be determined and shared with the community at large, which is what I've been asking for.
If PASS just wants to be a conference or conferences (SQLRally) and training events then that's fine with me, but at that point I think the by-laws need to change because they say that the purpose of PASS is:
to provide the premier independent forum for users of Microsoft SQL Server
and users and vendors of products and services that are of interest to users of Microsoft SQL Server
internationally
I don't think just being a conference/training provider does that.
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August 30, 2010 at 4:33 pm
Steve Jones - Editor (8/30/2010)
jcrawf02 (8/30/2010)
ok.....so, going to give voice to a thought I've been having lately. If PASS's main goal is to facilitate knowledge, and the value they bring to members does not extend beyond gathering resources together, then wasn't Matt Morollo right, they're a content provider?PASS Summit is great, but unreachable for many. Membership doesn't cost anything, supposedly because they wanted to drive membership up, so they made it free.
But if they're just lining up training that you can get without BEING a member, what is the incentive to belong to the "professional organization"?
Part of why I am questioning any continuing association with them. Especially as I don't think they are that interested in community.
If anybody questioned that Steve was fully vested in running for the board - that comment might solve it for them.
To clarify - I think it solidifies that Steve was fully vested. Steve should have been on the slate - and it seems like he is still feeling the pains of not being on it.
Jason...AKA CirqueDeSQLeil
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August 30, 2010 at 7:07 pm
WayneS (8/30/2010)
For those that go to both this and the SQLPass summit (Steve, anyone else...) - which one has the better ROI? What are the differences?
My take on the two conferences after last year.
PASS:
Community, community, community. There are so many people that you can interact with all week long in professional and non-professional capacities. It's like a high school reunion where you like the people you went to high school with. Oh, and a ton of great technical content. And because it's in Seattle (every stinking year), you do get quite a bit of Microsoft involvement, but you need to seek that out, otherwise you'll miss it.
Connections:
Very, very high quality technical content (they pay for it) across a whole swath of different disciplines. But the community just wasn't there. I tried chatting people up, like I had just spent the week at the PASS Summit, and didn't get much response. In fact, some people looked at me weird when I started talking to them at the lunch table. However, as a speaker, I got invited to some magnificent parties where there was some serious high-level networking going on. I was out of my league, but had a good time. Oh, and I hate Vegas. Still, I'd be glad to go back to this if they invited me to speak.
Of the two, it depends on what you want. If you're looking for high quality content across a range of disciplines, Connections wins, hands down. If you want to take part in the community events, face-to-face, PASS is the leader (or was, we'll see what happens in the next two years, this year is already going to be less fun). Cost wise, they're probably comparable.
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August 31, 2010 at 1:39 am
Brandie Tarvin (8/27/2010)
Alvin Ramard (8/27/2010)
Differential vs incremental, that was my mistake, but I don't care because I'm not a DBA. 😀ACK! We've been invaded! There's one of those non-DBA types on this thread. Quick, someone get me some incense and holy water so I can exorcise the forums.
DBCC Timewarp him out of existence!
Not a DBA, never been a DBA. Should I leave now?
Gail Shaw
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August 31, 2010 at 3:46 am
Good job on the scheduling, Steve. Very neat.
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August 31, 2010 at 4:05 am
GilaMonster (8/31/2010)
Brandie Tarvin (8/27/2010)
Alvin Ramard (8/27/2010)
Differential vs incremental, that was my mistake, but I don't care because I'm not a DBA. 😀ACK! We've been invaded! There's one of those non-DBA types on this thread. Quick, someone get me some incense and holy water so I can exorcise the forums.
DBCC Timewarp him out of existence!
Not a DBA, never been a DBA. Should I leave now?
ACK! No! I can't live without my GilaMonster!
All these people whose advice has saved my neck aren't DBAs??? Someone help me. I'm so CONFUSED!
@=)
August 31, 2010 at 4:19 am
Bit late to the party, but just for the record - I'm not a DBA either.
Paul White
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August 31, 2010 at 4:47 am
Brandie Tarvin (8/31/2010)
GilaMonster (8/31/2010)
Not a DBA, never been a DBA. Should I leave now?ACK! No! I can't live without my GilaMonster!
All these people whose advice has saved my neck aren't DBAs??? Someone help me. I'm so CONFUSED!
@=)
😀
Database developer/database consultant. I don't admin servers (and never have), I tell other people how they should be administering their servers (and they ignore me half the time)
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SQL In The Wild: Discussions on DB performance with occasional diversions into recoverability
August 31, 2010 at 4:52 am
GilaMonster (8/31/2010)
...and they ignore me half the time
A real DBA would be ignored at least 75% of the cases :w00t::w00t:
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August 31, 2010 at 6:46 am
I've been away for a couple of weeks in a no-laptop holiday and catching up with the Thread has been quite a struggle. :blink:
1) I'm very disappointed that Steve and Jack didn't make it to the PASS board. I can't think of somebody more entitled for that position.
2) Welcome back Gus, it's nice to hear from you again!
3) Welcome back Barry! I hope your health goes better now.
4) I'm not a DBA and I don't have the DBA mindset. In spite of that, this is the hat I'm wearing at my shop.
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August 31, 2010 at 6:55 am
GilaMonster (8/31/2010)
Brandie Tarvin (8/31/2010)
GilaMonster (8/31/2010)
Not a DBA, never been a DBA. Should I leave now?ACK! No! I can't live without my GilaMonster!
All these people whose advice has saved my neck aren't DBAs??? Someone help me. I'm so CONFUSED!
@=)
😀
Database developer/database consultant. I don't admin servers (and never have), I tell other people how they should be administering their servers (and they ignore me half the time)
Ignorance - potential repeat business?
Greg E
August 31, 2010 at 6:57 am
Great googly moogly, it's the answers that are getting dangerous now... Yeah, let's put the production database to simple recovery... yikes!
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SQL Server Query Performance Tuning
August 31, 2010 at 7:03 am
Brandie Tarvin (8/31/2010)
GilaMonster (8/31/2010)
Brandie Tarvin (8/27/2010)
Alvin Ramard (8/27/2010)
Differential vs incremental, that was my mistake, but I don't care because I'm not a DBA. 😀ACK! We've been invaded! There's one of those non-DBA types on this thread. Quick, someone get me some incense and holy water so I can exorcise the forums.
DBCC Timewarp him out of existence!
Not a DBA, never been a DBA. Should I leave now?
ACK! No! I can't live without my GilaMonster!
All these people whose advice has saved my neck aren't DBAs??? Someone help me. I'm so CONFUSED!
@=)
I'm not a DBA, either. The folks at work call me a "Sr. Application DBA" (they had to call me something), but I'm not a DBA.
--Jeff Moden
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