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SQLRNNR SSC Guru Points: 281334 More actions · Answer 1

Brandie Tarvin (8/6/2010)
CirquedeSQLeil (8/6/2010)
Paul White NZ (8/6/2010)
Lynn Pettis (8/6/2010)
I love Smarties, 'cause I am one! 😛
You bought Joe Celko's book?
HAHAHAHAHA
Technical Guru (goor-oo, goo-roo)- A person who reads the manual. :w00t:

I thought the Guru only read the first page and tossed the rest?:-D

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Brandie Tarvin SSC Guru Points: 173061 More actions · Answer 2

CirquedeSQLeil (8/6/2010)
Brandie Tarvin (8/6/2010)
CirquedeSQLeil (8/6/2010)
Paul White NZ (8/6/2010)
Lynn Pettis (8/6/2010)
I love Smarties, 'cause I am one! 😛
You bought Joe Celko's book?
HAHAHAHAHA
Technical Guru (goor-oo, goo-roo)- A person who reads the manual. :w00t:
I thought the Guru only read the first page and tossed the rest?:-D

That's the regular kind of Guru. I was being specific.

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SQLRNNR SSC Guru Points: 281334 More actions · Answer 3

Brandie Tarvin (8/6/2010)
CirquedeSQLeil (8/6/2010)
Brandie Tarvin (8/6/2010)
CirquedeSQLeil (8/6/2010)
Paul White NZ (8/6/2010)
Lynn Pettis (8/6/2010)
I love Smarties, 'cause I am one! 😛
You bought Joe Celko's book?
HAHAHAHAHA
Technical Guru (goor-oo, goo-roo)- A person who reads the manual. :w00t:
I thought the Guru only read the first page and tossed the rest?:-D
That's the regular kind of Guru. I was being specific.

Oh right. But don't technical gurus skip the manual altogether?

Jason...AKA CirqueDeSQLeil
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The Dixie Flatline SSC Guru Points: 53354 More actions · Answer 4

CirquedeSQLeil (8/6/2010)

The Dixie Flatline (8/6/2010)
because the end users have decided they can do a better job of it themselves.
and are wrong more often than not

You have to be careful with statements like that. IT people are not the ultimate judge of the job they are doing. In the story I mentioned, the IT manager involved wound up with a real black eye to his reputation, because the end users were his customers and the customers had decided they could do better without his using "his" software. It's hard to justify your budget if the business is (by choice) functioning largely without the systems your people are responsible for.

An extreme case? Absolutely. But it shows what can happen when IT gets disconnected from the people they exist to support. See "better working relationships."

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Lynn Pettis SSC Guru Points: 442467 More actions · Answer 5

Paul White NZ (8/6/2010)
Lynn Pettis (8/6/2010)
I love Smarties, 'cause I am one! 😛
You bought Joe Celko's book?

Uh, NO WAY! Not interested. 😀

SQLRNNR SSC Guru Points: 281334 More actions · Answer 6

The Dixie Flatline (8/6/2010)

CirquedeSQLeil (8/6/2010)
The Dixie Flatline (8/6/2010)
because the end users have decided they can do a better job of it themselves.
and are wrong more often than not
You have to be careful with statements like that. IT people are not the ultimate judge of the job they are doing. In the story I mentioned, the IT manager involved wound up with a real black eye to his reputation, because the end users were his customers and the customers had decided they could do better without his using "his" software. It's hard to justify your budget if the business is (by choice) functioning largely without the systems your people are responsible for.
An extreme case? Absolutely. But it shows what can happen when IT gets disconnected from the people they exist to support. See "better working relationships."

You are correct. When the end-user decides to create a database or administer a server or build an application - they are perpetuating a communications problem and will undoubtedly come asking for help from IT because they have gotten in too deep.

I am in the middle of an issue you just described. IT and the business were at extreme odds when I was hired here. The business didn't trust IT and IT hated the business. We are now trying to bridge that gap through communication and education. TO support my statement on the business asking for help: we had several processes created by the business that would consume all cycles on the servers for up to 6 hrs. Since it was working they were happy. Then we showed them that it could be done in less than 10 minutes. They were ecstatic, but then had to find something more to fill their day.

Once in a while the business may be able to create a process that is better - the same holds true for IT (once in a while IT can perform accounting better than the business). But both are specialists in their field for a reason.

Does that mean that the business doesn't know what they want in a system or solution - NO. It simply means that they are wrong about being able to do it better than IT in more cases than they are correct. Both should be working together on the solutions and both should be communicating.

Jason...AKA CirqueDeSQLeil
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Jack Corbett SSC Guru Points: 184394 More actions · Answer 7

Lynn Pettis (8/6/2010)
Paul White NZ (8/6/2010)
Lynn Pettis (8/6/2010)
I love Smarties, 'cause I am one! 😛
You bought Joe Celko's book?
Uh, NO WAY! Not interested. 😀

I've got his book. It's not bad. Not SQL Server specific, but the guy does know databases.

As far as candy, I'm a chocolate guy. Doesn't really matter what kind as long as there isn't any coconut involved.

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Roy Ernest SSC-Dedicated Points: 38780 More actions · Answer 8

So when is Steve's Interview? And if it has already happened, where can we read about it? 😀

-Roy

Alvin Ramard SSC-Forever Points: 41190 More actions · Answer 9

CirquedeSQLeil (8/6/2010)
Brandie Tarvin (8/6/2010)
CirquedeSQLeil (8/6/2010)
Paul White NZ (8/6/2010)
Lynn Pettis (8/6/2010)
I love Smarties, 'cause I am one! 😛
You bought Joe Celko's book?
HAHAHAHAHA
Technical Guru (goor-oo, goo-roo)- A person who reads the manual. :w00t:
I thought the Guru only read the first page and tossed the rest?:-D

It's the back cover we read, not the first page. 😀

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SQLRNNR SSC Guru Points: 281334 More actions · Answer 10

Alvin Ramard (8/6/2010)
CirquedeSQLeil (8/6/2010)
Brandie Tarvin (8/6/2010)
CirquedeSQLeil (8/6/2010)
Paul White NZ (8/6/2010)
Lynn Pettis (8/6/2010)
I love Smarties, 'cause I am one! 😛
You bought Joe Celko's book?
HAHAHAHAHA
Technical Guru (goor-oo, goo-roo)- A person who reads the manual. :w00t:
I thought the Guru only read the first page and tossed the rest?:-D
It's the back cover we read, not the first page. 😀

so for technical gurus, the acronym should be RTFBCOTM - or is that too many letters?

Jason...AKA CirqueDeSQLeil
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Lynn Pettis SSC Guru Points: 442467 More actions · Answer 11

Jack Corbett (8/6/2010)
Lynn Pettis (8/6/2010)
Paul White NZ (8/6/2010)
Lynn Pettis (8/6/2010)
I love Smarties, 'cause I am one! 😛
You bought Joe Celko's book?
Uh, NO WAY! Not interested. 😀
I've got his book. It's not bad. Not SQL Server specific, but the guy does know databases.
As far as candy, I'm a chocolate guy. Doesn't really matter what kind as long as there isn't any coconut involved.

I've found his online persona such a turn off that I simple refuse to put any of my money in his pocket, so not interested in his books.

Gail Shaw SSC Guru Points: 1004504 More actions · Answer 12

CirquedeSQLeil (8/6/2010)
I am in the middle of an issue you just described. IT and the business were at extreme odds when I was hired here. The business didn't trust IT and IT hated the business.

You're working at one of my current clients? :hehe:

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SQLRNNR SSC Guru Points: 281334 More actions · Answer 13

GilaMonster (8/6/2010)
CirquedeSQLeil (8/6/2010)
I am in the middle of an issue you just described. IT and the business were at extreme odds when I was hired here. The business didn't trust IT and IT hated the business.
You're working at one of my current clients? :hehe:

LOL:-D

Jason...AKA CirqueDeSQLeil
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I have given a name to my pain...MCM SQL Server, MVP
SQL RNNR
Posting Performance Based Questions - Gail Shaw[/url]
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Brandie Tarvin SSC Guru Points: 173061 More actions · Answer 14

If'n anyone's in the mood to read a new webcomic:

Ensign Sue Must Die

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The Dixie Flatline SSC Guru Points: 53354 More actions · Answer 15

Thanks, Brandie. Webcomics are a guilty pleasure of mine.

I'm adding that to my list for now. It gets a probationary spot below Wondermark. Currently my top 3 are "XKCD", "Evil Inc.", and "A Softer World."

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Edited to add:

Okay... now I understand the title of the new strip.

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