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Roy Ernest SSC-Dedicated Points: 38780 More actions · Answer 1

Grant Fritchey (7/7/2010)
I'm completely missing the point of the questioner over here. Can someone else give them a hand maybe?

Reminds me of a developer here and he wrote almost a same kind of stored proc (apThrowError) here with a different name. :hehe:

-Roy

The Dixie Flatline SSC Guru Points: 53354 More actions · Answer 2

I'm completely missing the point of the questioner over here. Can someone else give them a hand maybe?

Grant, I don't have a dog in that fight, but his complaint is that the procedure does something different when it is run standalone, as opposed to when it is called inside a TRY block. In his example, when proc "A" is run standalone, a severity 16 error is raised in the second statement of Proc "A", BUT processing still continues on to the third statement.

When proc "A" is wrapped in a try/catch block, the error causes control to pass to the catch block of the calling procedure and the third statement of proc "A" never gets executed. This is what he meant by the behavior changing.

I sort of see his point in that the behavior is inconsistent, not really like an object. He would prefer for proc "A" to finish running regardless of whether or not it is in a try/catch block. On the other hand the entire purpose of a TRY/CATCH is to immediately react to errors, many of which would be fatal (unlike his harmless example).

You're not going to explain this in a such a way as to make him happy.

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The Dixie Flatline SSC Guru Points: 53354 More actions · Answer 3

Okay... now I have a dog in that fight.

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Ben Teraberry SSChampion Points: 11845 More actions · Answer 4

The Dixie Flatline (7/7/2010)
You're not going to explain this in a such a way as to make him happy.

I didn't believe you. Now I do.

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TomThomson SSC Guru Points: 104773 More actions · Answer 5

bteraberry (7/7/2010)
The Dixie Flatline (7/7/2010)
You're not going to explain this in a such a way as to make him happy.
I didn't believe you. Now I do.

I've been there often enough when trying to explain what you might call "high level language concepts" to people who think that all programming languages conform to the rules of Dartmoth Basic (ormaybe of Cesil - the old one, not the new one). So I believe it without difficulty. I've thrown in a comment, but I suspect it's a waste of time.

Tom

Jeff Moden SSC Guru Points: 1004363 More actions · Answer 6

Tom.Thomson (7/7/2010)
bteraberry (7/7/2010)
The Dixie Flatline (7/7/2010)
You're not going to explain this in a such a way as to make him happy.
I didn't believe you. Now I do.
I've been there often enough when trying to explain what you might call "high level language concepts" to people who think that all programming languages conform to the rules of Dartmoth Basic (ormaybe of Cesil - the old one, not the new one). So I believe it without difficulty. I've thrown in a comment, but I suspect it's a waste of time.

I'm either getting too old or just lazier in my old age. I no longer fight people who insist on being wrong. I try to help but if someone wants to set their hair on fire, I'll let them so long as they don't take any innocent bystanders out.

--Jeff Moden

RBAR is pronounced "ree-bar" and is a "Modenism" for Row-By-Agonizing-Row.
First step towards the paradigm shift of writing Set Based code:
________Stop thinking about what you want to do to a ROW... think, instead, of what you want to do to a COLUMN.

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Alvin Ramard SSC-Forever Points: 41190 More actions · Answer 7

Jeff Moden (7/7/2010)
I'm either getting too old or just lazier in my old age. I no longer fight people who insist on being wrong. I try to help but if someone wants to set their hair on fire, I'll let them so long as they don't take any innocent bystanders out.

You're not the only one Jeff. I've got too many other things to deal with and only so much energy.

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SQLRNNR SSC Guru Points: 281334 More actions · Answer 8

Alvin Ramard (7/7/2010)
Jeff Moden (7/7/2010)
I'm either getting too old or just lazier in my old age. I no longer fight people who insist on being wrong. I try to help but if someone wants to set their hair on fire, I'll let them so long as they don't take any innocent bystanders out.
You're not the only one Jeff. I've got too many other things to deal with and only so much energy.

That's where dbcc timewarp comes into play

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Alvin Ramard SSC-Forever Points: 41190 More actions · Answer 9

CirquedeSQLeil (7/7/2010)
Alvin Ramard (7/7/2010)
Jeff Moden (7/7/2010)
I'm either getting too old or just lazier in my old age. I no longer fight people who insist on being wrong. I try to help but if someone wants to set their hair on fire, I'll let them so long as they don't take any innocent bystanders out.
You're not the only one Jeff. I've got too many other things to deal with and only so much energy.
That's where dbcc timewarp comes into play

Exec dbcc TimeWarp @Date = '1976-09-01'

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SQLRNNR SSC Guru Points: 281334 More actions · Answer 10

Alvin Ramard (7/7/2010)
CirquedeSQLeil (7/7/2010)
Alvin Ramard (7/7/2010)
Jeff Moden (7/7/2010)
I'm either getting too old or just lazier in my old age. I no longer fight people who insist on being wrong. I try to help but if someone wants to set their hair on fire, I'll let them so long as they don't take any innocent bystanders out.
You're not the only one Jeff. I've got too many other things to deal with and only so much energy.
That's where dbcc timewarp comes into play
Exec dbcc TimeWarp @Date = '1976-09-01'

Is that the last time you were 19?

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Alvin Ramard SSC-Forever Points: 41190 More actions · Answer 11

CirquedeSQLeil (7/7/2010)
Alvin Ramard (7/7/2010)
CirquedeSQLeil (7/7/2010)
Alvin Ramard (7/7/2010)
Jeff Moden (7/7/2010)
I'm either getting too old or just lazier in my old age. I no longer fight people who insist on being wrong. I try to help but if someone wants to set their hair on fire, I'll let them so long as they don't take any innocent bystanders out.
You're not the only one Jeff. I've got too many other things to deal with and only so much energy.
That's where dbcc timewarp comes into play
Exec dbcc TimeWarp @Date = '1976-09-01'
Is that the last time you were 19?

Try 14 and a little bit. 😀

Alvin Ramard
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Lynn Pettis SSC Guru Points: 442467 More actions · Answer 12

Alvin Ramard (7/7/2010)
CirquedeSQLeil (7/7/2010)
Alvin Ramard (7/7/2010)
CirquedeSQLeil (7/7/2010)
Alvin Ramard (7/7/2010)
Jeff Moden (7/7/2010)
I'm either getting too old or just lazier in my old age. I no longer fight people who insist on being wrong. I try to help but if someone wants to set their hair on fire, I'll let them so long as they don't take any innocent bystanders out.
You're not the only one Jeff. I've got too many other things to deal with and only so much energy.
That's where dbcc timewarp comes into play
Exec dbcc TimeWarp @Date = '1976-09-01'
Is that the last time you were 19?
Try 14 and a little bit. 😀

I was 17 and a senior in high school. If I knew then what I know now.

SQLRNNR SSC Guru Points: 281334 More actions · Answer 13

Lynn Pettis (7/7/2010)
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CirquedeSQLeil (7/7/2010)
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CirquedeSQLeil (7/7/2010)
Alvin Ramard (7/7/2010)
Jeff Moden (7/7/2010)
I'm either getting too old or just lazier in my old age. I no longer fight people who insist on being wrong. I try to help but if someone wants to set their hair on fire, I'll let them so long as they don't take any innocent bystanders out.
You're not the only one Jeff. I've got too many other things to deal with and only so much energy.
That's where dbcc timewarp comes into play
Exec dbcc TimeWarp @Date = '1976-09-01'
Is that the last time you were 19?
Try 14 and a little bit. 😀
I was 17 and a senior in high school. If I knew then what I know now.

I was ummm, errr, ummm 2yrs 8mos at that point.

Jason...AKA CirqueDeSQLeil
_______________________________________________
I have given a name to my pain...MCM SQL Server, MVP
SQL RNNR
Posting Performance Based Questions - Gail Shaw[/url]
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spaghettidba SSC Guru Points: 105732 More actions · Answer 14

Alvin Ramard (7/7/2010)
CirquedeSQLeil (7/7/2010)
Alvin Ramard (7/7/2010)
Jeff Moden (7/7/2010)
I'm either getting too old or just lazier in my old age. I no longer fight people who insist on being wrong. I try to help but if someone wants to set their hair on fire, I'll let them so long as they don't take any innocent bystanders out.
You're not the only one Jeff. I've got too many other things to deal with and only so much energy.
That's where dbcc timewarp comes into play
Exec dbcc TimeWarp @Date = '1976-09-01'

AH-AAAH!!! So, you're trying to get rid of me!

I wasn't even a light in the eyes of my parents...:w00t:

-- Gianluca Sartori

ChrisM@Work SSC Guru Points: 186127 More actions · Answer 15

Lynn Pettis (7/7/2010)
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CirquedeSQLeil (7/7/2010)
Alvin Ramard (7/7/2010)
CirquedeSQLeil (7/7/2010)
Alvin Ramard (7/7/2010)
Jeff Moden (7/7/2010)
I'm either getting too old or just lazier in my old age. I no longer fight people who insist on being wrong. I try to help but if someone wants to set their hair on fire, I'll let them so long as they don't take any innocent bystanders out.
You're not the only one Jeff. I've got too many other things to deal with and only so much energy.
That's where dbcc timewarp comes into play
Exec dbcc TimeWarp @Date = '1976-09-01'
Is that the last time you were 19?
Try 14 and a little bit. 😀
I was 17 and a senior in high school. If I knew then what I know now.

17, brown & lean, and on the train to Uni.

^{“Write the query the simplest way. If through testing it becomes clear that the performance is inadequate, consider alternative query forms.” - Gail Shaw}

For fast, accurate and documented assistance in answering your questions, please read this article.
Understanding and using APPLY, (I) and (II) Paul White
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