November 22, 2008 at 9:47 am
GilaMonster (11/22/2008)
A senior DBA who doesn't know how to do performance monitoring or how to kill a connection? I could accept that of a junior with only a couple years experience maybe.
Heh... I love the way you fire off porkchops... quick, accurate, deadly, very close range. 😛
I'll add that Sr. DBA's don't need to tell anyone who they are... people just know. 😉
--Jeff Moden
Change is inevitable... Change for the better is not.
November 22, 2008 at 5:43 pm
i'm still trying to decipher the last post :blink:
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"Ya can't make an omelette without breaking just a few eggs" 😉
November 22, 2008 at 6:30 pm
Heh... sorry, Perry... bit of an inside joke. I'll explain it sometime, but not here.
--Jeff Moden
Change is inevitable... Change for the better is not.
November 23, 2008 at 6:52 am
I'm too busy to learn how to keep the log from growing? No. I'm actually not too busy to learn that one. I'm too busy to learn how to figure out how to troubleshoot performance issues? You know, again, I'd have to say, no, I'm not too busy to learn that one either. As a matter of fact, based on those questions and the responses posted here, I have to wonder just what the OP is busy doing? Those sound like pretty fundamental, even introductory level questions, not Sr. DBA "Wow, never heard that one before" type of issues.
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November 24, 2008 at 10:54 am
Jeff Moden (11/22/2008)
Heh... sorry, Perry... bit of an inside joke. I'll explain it sometime, but not here.
Jeff, send it over PM
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November 28, 2008 at 8:10 am
Jeff Moden (11/22/2008)
GilaMonster (11/22/2008)
A senior DBA who doesn't know how to do performance monitoring or how to kill a connection? I could accept that of a junior with only a couple years experience maybe.Heh... I love the way you fire off porkchops... quick, accurate, deadly, very close range. 😛
I'll add that Sr. DBA's don't need to tell anyone who they are... people just know. 😉
Ah, the famous Porkchop Thread... I'd almost forgotten about that one...
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November 28, 2008 at 8:19 am
Tim Mitchell (11/28/2008)
Jeff Moden (11/22/2008)
GilaMonster (11/22/2008)
A senior DBA who doesn't know how to do performance monitoring or how to kill a connection? I could accept that of a junior with only a couple years experience maybe.Heh... I love the way you fire off porkchops... quick, accurate, deadly, very close range. 😛
I'll add that Sr. DBA's don't need to tell anyone who they are... people just know. 😉
Ah, the famous Porkchop Thread... I'd almost forgotten about that one...
Famous AND Delicious!
Ummmm..., Pork Chops...
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November 28, 2008 at 11:58 am
I am surprise to so negative reaction to the question of Venkat. I have the same problem as his question number one and I would like to hear different answers very much! Only 1 person answered directly, it's Albert Matubis.
What is the pork chop? 😀 I mean I know what it is but what does it mean here?
November 28, 2008 at 12:19 pm
Oksana March (11/28/2008)
I am surprise to so negative reaction to the question of Venkat. I have the same problem as his question number one and I would like to hear different answers very much! Only 1 person answered directly, it's Albert Matubis.What is the pork chop? 😀 I mean I know what it is but what does it mean here?
Well, let's see, he did not ask just one question, he asked a bunch of questions.
And he did not ask bunch of related question, but a bunch of questions in three unrelated areas.
And they were ALL the kind of questions that get asked in interviews.
And some of them were questions that almost any DBA should be able to answer on their own.
Now, while there is nothing wrong with any one of these things, together they practically yell out either someone trying to get our help on interview questions, which is unethical, or someone who is "posing", which is even worse (see Phil Factor's excellent description of these dangerous mimics here[/url]).
If the OP had posted each group of questions separately, and spaced out over time, I doubt that anyone would have batted an eye. And if you have similar questions, then start a new thread and post them there. We answer 99% of them with no concerns about the poster's motives.
As for Pork Chops, that's for Jeff to explain... 😛
EDIT: Fixed Phil Factor's link .
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November 28, 2008 at 12:30 pm
Oksana March (11/28/2008)
I am surprise to so negative reaction to the question of Venkat.
It wasn't so much what he asked, as how he asked it and how he responded to those who answered. Often a bunch of unrelated questions with no context (and no apparent research done) are either homework or interview questions. We don't answer either here.
If you have a question, post it, give some context and show that you've done a little bit of reading yourself, people will happily answer.
Remember that we're all volunteers. None of us get paid to post here and we do it in our free time.
What is the pork chop? 😀 I mean I know what it is but what does it mean here?
It's an in-joke. Don't worry about it.
Gail Shaw
Microsoft Certified Master: SQL Server, MVP, M.Sc (Comp Sci)
SQL In The Wild: Discussions on DB performance with occasional diversions into recoverability
November 28, 2008 at 12:57 pm
rbarryyoung (11/28/2008)
(see Phil Factor's excellent description of these dangerous mimics here).
Where? Link goes to Phil's list of articles. Not sure which one you're referring to.
Gail Shaw
Microsoft Certified Master: SQL Server, MVP, M.Sc (Comp Sci)
SQL In The Wild: Discussions on DB performance with occasional diversions into recoverability
November 28, 2008 at 1:08 pm
Thanks, Gail. I don't know what happened, but it is working correctly now.
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November 28, 2008 at 3:18 pm
Owing to a response I had given once before and that I won't replay here, the word "pork chop" has become a metaphor for setting someone straight, usually with indisputable facts or questions related to facts that should be.
--Jeff Moden
Change is inevitable... Change for the better is not.
November 28, 2008 at 3:21 pm
Oh... and I agree with both Barry and Gail as to why people took exception to both the original post and the very "pork chop" deserving replies that he made.
--Jeff Moden
Change is inevitable... Change for the better is not.
May 6, 2016 at 5:38 pm
I believe I agree with you'll to some extent, but not totally. If you guys know a lot of the DBA stuff, at least do not make fun of others who might not be knowing that well or do not understand the concepts the way you'll might be knowing. Sometimes, it is due to lack of learning, and information, and most of the times it is mostly due to proper guidance, and exposure. I am not sure where the user resides, but we do not always have the luxury, and details to materials that you'll might be having access to. I do understand that you'll have done all the hard work, and research to come up to the level of experience that you'll possess now, but think of the days when you'll were starting with no prior experience into this field, and everything was new. I know the person claims to be a Sr. DBA, but at time there are situations that even a Sr. DBA fails to know answers to basic questions.
SQL Server Community is such a great community, and I would only request you'll who are helping DBA's like us in our jobs to at least not make fun of the skills we might be having, and what we might not possess, but try, and respect each, and every one, and yes at times the OP needs to understand that this is a forum, and we need to provide more details in order for anyone to provide any kind of help. But, for this specific thread I think the limit of sarcasm just got over the top, and should've been handled in a better way. I mean you can always request the OP to post more details or simply don't answer his questions if you don't feel like. If you're helping someone don't embarrass them at least.
Sorry, about if I am interfering but I found it really sad for the way you'll have handled the issue with the OP.
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