February 27, 2004 at 1:26 am
You should always try to convince your company to pay for you.
...after all they do profit from your expanded and proven knowledge after passing the most.
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Frank Kalis
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February 27, 2004 at 6:29 am
I wished I could have convince them but they don't budget certifications only seminars Isn't that smart
* Noel
February 27, 2004 at 6:33 am
Not really. In the end they shot themselves in the foot. Here we have a somewhat great deal. The company pays and you do learn in your spare time and not at work. That's more than fair.
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Frank Kalis
Microsoft SQL Server MVP
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My blog: http://www.insidesql.org/blogs/frankkalis/[/url]
February 27, 2004 at 6:46 am
As too my "only go off past experience". That isn't exactly true. I usually test the people I interview by asking them questions. Some certifications that I have took were not jokes and you actually got something useful from them. MS though seems to be more of a push a button and hope your right.
My problem has always been in my 18 years in this field that I can sit down and do the work mostly perfectly, I am just really bad at taking tests. The company I used to work for paid for all my tests and to go to seminars. Unfortunately I moved from the Tech Industry into a retail environment. We have enough time trying to get them to understand they need an IT let alone pay to improve us.
Even though I received a certification for MS SQL 7. It really meant nothing once I came here as the DBA (among many other positions). This list alone has saved me more times than anyone could ever imagine. I use this as my bias towards certifications.
Certifications do play a small part when I hire people, very small, but if they have a certification it shows me that they at least have a small chance that they want to learn more and possibly will not be a slacker. Of course depending on there attitude in the interview I can also look at it as they just want more money.
So many people have certifications now, that a certification 10 years ago that would get you $4000 more a year will now only get you $500 if that.
Patrick L. Lykins
February 27, 2004 at 6:51 am
Sorry, yesterday evening posted the wrong thread title. I meant this one here http://www.sqlservercentral.com/forums/shwmessage.aspx?forumid=61&messageid=13473
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Frank Kalis
Microsoft SQL Server MVP
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My blog: http://www.insidesql.org/blogs/frankkalis/[/url]
February 27, 2004 at 6:58 am
I know my effectiness will rise with self study but I have tried to stay current without the cert and there is nothing I can do to change the company policy except for changing COMPANY and now I am more inclined to follow that path
* Noel
February 27, 2004 at 7:11 am
I'm not good at self studying. I learn most effectively when presented to a problem. That's why I like answering questions here. While this certainly adds experience, I can't put a bullet like
on my CV
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Frank Kalis
Microsoft SQL Server MVP
Webmaster: http://www.insidesql.org/blogs
My blog: http://www.insidesql.org/blogs/frankkalis/[/url]
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